Anna Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Today my pastor was really getting into his talk and he said "The Difference between all ther other religons is that there is only one true saviour. Only one that came back from the dead. Jesus christ came back from the dead!" Im quite sure thats not true. I have a feeling quite a number of religons have leaders that died and rose from the dead. Am I right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlerman Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Today my pastor was really getting into his talk and he said "The Difference between all ther other religons is that there is only one true saviour. Only one that came back from the dead. Jesus christ came back from the dead!" Im quite sure thats not true. I have a feeling quite a number of religons have leaders that died and rose from the dead. Am I right? Ah, pastor's need a job too! It's marketing. What's cool and unique about your product. Big deal. Even if it was unique, which it's not totally unique, so what? Buddhism is unique too, so he should go convert to it! Of course it has some unique elements. So do I. No one else has my exact fingerprints. Should you worship me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 Today my pastor was really getting into his talk and he said "The Difference between all ther other religons is that there is only one true saviour. Only one that came back from the dead. Jesus christ came back from the dead!" Im quite sure thats not true. I have a feeling quite a number of religons have leaders that died and rose from the dead. Am I right? Ah, pastor's need a job too! It's marketing. What's cool and unique about your product. Big deal. Even if it was unique, which it's not totally unique, so what? Buddhism is unique too, so he should go convert to it! Of course it has some unique elements. So do I. No one else has my exact fingerprints. Should you worship me? lol yeah I didnt think christianity was very unique anyway XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramen666 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Then ask him why the other sects are not the true form of Christianity. and Anna your avatar is disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 Then ask him why the other sects are not the true form of Christianity. and Anna your avatar is disturbing. I may ask him. Its actually me in english class. no jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Today my pastor was really getting into his talk and he said "The Difference between all ther other religons is that there is only one true saviour. Only one that came back from the dead. Jesus christ came back from the dead!" Im quite sure thats not true. I have a feeling quite a number of religons have leaders that died and rose from the dead. Am I right? Hmm... there's only one true savior, and it's Rael, because he met with the aliens. What is it in "came back from the dead," that makes Jesus a better savior than others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 and Anna your avatar is disturbing. But I like the blue color... And your avatar is sexy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Today my pastor was really getting into his talk and he said "The Difference between all ther other religons is that there is only one true saviour. Only one that came back from the dead. Jesus christ came back from the dead!" Im quite sure thats not true. I have a feeling quite a number of religons have leaders that died and rose from the dead. Am I right? *chuckle* Even my strange faith features Balder, a god of light, who gets killed by Loki (well indirectly) and later comes back from Hel (the realm of the dead). Chalk that one up as just another morontheist bullshit claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedah Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Even though most of you probably figured this out... if anyone cares to know what the actual logical flaw is in this, it's just the same plain old circular logic. Only christian theology requires some kind of savior since only christian theology demands an infinite sacrifice for finite sins. Sins which are so direct that it's impossible to go through life without committing one. To say that other religions are false because they lack this savior is to judge religions based on the assumption that christian theology is true in the first place. What your pastor is saying is no different than "Christianity is true, because all other religions are false, and I know all other religions are false because Christianity is true." This kind of ass backwards logic can be applied to other faiths as well: "Buddhism is the one true religion because only Buddhism follows the eightfold path" "Islam is the true religion because only Islam cleanses the soul through fasting during the month of Ramadan" "Hindu is the one true religion because only Hinduism can grant people the path to a better reincarnation" "FSM is the one true religion because only the church of FSM allows one to be touched by his noodley appendage" Blah blah blahbity blaaaaahhhhhhh I'm sure everyone gets the picture by now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 to answer the OP question, yes you are right. Other gods have been killed and risen from the dead, but it depends on the myth your reading. There are books and internet sites that delve into the subject more clearly, but a short list of died/resurrected saviors could be: Krishna Dionysis (he also turned water into wine) Mythras Osiris All of these were centuries before jesus too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramen666 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Then ask him why the other sects are not the true form of Christianity. and Anna your avatar is disturbing. I may ask him. Its actually me in english class. no jokes. What is that? It reminds me of something out of a Tim Burton movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godlessgrrl Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Your pastor said xianity is real because if he didn't he would be out of a job. Greek, Roman, and Mesopotamian mythology also have heroes, gods, or saviors who went to the underworld (i.e., died), performed some necessary deed there, and later returned. A short list: Inanna Persephone/Proserpina Psyche Demeter Orpheus Theseus Aeneas Herakles Odysseus Hermes Descent to the underworld is a very common theme in mythology; no surprise it would turn up in the Jesus story too. The only thing really missing from Jesus' version of the story are the details of his trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 Even though most of you probably figured this out... if anyone cares to know what the actual logical flaw is in this, it's just the same plain old circular logic. Only christian theology requires some kind of savior since only christian theology demands an infinite sacrifice for finite sins. Sins which are so direct that it's impossible to go through life without committing one. To say that other religions are false because they lack this savior is to judge religions based on the assumption that christian theology is true in the first place. What your pastor is saying is no different than "Christianity is true, because all other religions are false, and I know all other religions are false because Christianity is true." This kind of ass backwards logic can be applied to other faiths as well: "Buddhism is the one true religion because only Buddhism follows the eightfold path" "Islam is the true religion because only Islam cleanses the soul through fasting during the month of Ramadan" "Hindu is the one true religion because only Hinduism can grant people the path to a better reincarnation" "FSM is the one true religion because only the church of FSM allows one to be touched by his noodley appendage" Blah blah blahbity blaaaaahhhhhhh I'm sure everyone gets the picture by now... haha oh what logic "Christianity is true, because all other religions are false, and I know all other religions are false because Christianity is true." yeah thats basically what my pastor is saying XD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted June 7, 2009 Author Share Posted June 7, 2009 to answer the OP question, yes you are right. Other gods have been killed and risen from the dead, but it depends on the myth your reading. There are books and internet sites that delve into the subject more clearly, but a short list of died/resurrected saviors could be: Krishna Dionysis (he also turned water into wine) Mythras Osiris All of these were centuries before jesus too. Isnt Dionysis supposed to be really simular to jesus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Mehism is the only true religion, because it protects you from the evil blah-blah-blah. So when Christians speak their "blah-blah-blah", just say Meh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpheliaGinger Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 to answer the OP question, yes you are right. Other gods have been killed and risen from the dead, but it depends on the myth your reading. There are books and internet sites that delve into the subject more clearly, but a short list of died/resurrected saviors could be: Krishna Dionysis (he also turned water into wine) Mythras Osiris All of these were centuries before jesus too. Isnt Dionysis supposed to be really simular to jesus? Yes, and there is a whole list of characters that match the Jesus story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llwellyn Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Let's assume it is true that Jesus was the only one who died and then lived again -- what would that prove? Would it prove that there is no person more powerful than him? Would it prove that it is an act of goodness for him to curse other beings who don't worship him? No and no. Even if your pastor is right about everything he says, this would still not be grounds to convert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 to answer the OP question, yes you are right. Other gods have been killed and risen from the dead, but it depends on the myth your reading. There are books and internet sites that delve into the subject more clearly, but a short list of died/resurrected saviors could be: Krishna Dionysis (he also turned water into wine) Mythras Osiris All of these were centuries before jesus too. Isnt Dionysis supposed to be really simular to jesus? Yea, I think the book was called the jesus mysteries: was the original jesus a pagan god?. I forget the authors, I can look it up later if you want. It was awhile ago I read it, but I think that was the book that made a bunch of connections between dionysis and jesus. They certainly showed parallels with other gods too, but I even think Dio is shown with a lamb around his shoulders too, and was considered a shepherd. He definitely was connected to wine, and did the same miracle of turning water into wine. In fact I now seem to remember that that "miracle" is really talking about nature turning rain (water) into grapes, which in turn man turns into wine, and was a common theme in alot of Greco-Roman myths of the time. I should dig up that book and re-read it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted June 8, 2009 Super Moderator Share Posted June 8, 2009 Well, if we had any actual evidence that someone was raised from the dead, we could talk. Barring proof, it's just another made up story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neon Genesis Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Even presuming Christianity is the only religion with a resurrection myth, I fail to see how it's complimentary to Christianity that the preacher is basically admitting that it's only claim to fame is a torture symbol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arctic Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Sometimes I ask xians about the whole Jesus story, Why all the drama? why this big grand story that ends like a movie or something, with this hero defeating evil and rising up again, like some big play or something, why would a god go through all this just to do something simple from a gods perspective, O wait am not supposed to think sorry, I believe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Today my pastor was really getting into his talk and he said "The Difference between all ther other religons is that there is only one true saviour. Only one that came back from the dead. Jesus christ came back from the dead!" And what has this supposed savior actually "saved" anyone from? There's a list of things that he's supposedly *going* *to be* *at some point* "saving" people from but, to my knowledge, no actual "saving" has occurred. No demonstrations of this "saving" ability. You see. I'm a iife guard. I will save you. I cannot swim. I don't know CPR. I suppose I should have mentioned that up front. Next. Jesus raised people from the dead. Others raised people from the dead. "Jesus" is the only one that "god" raised from the dead. "Jesus" did not bring himself back from the dead. "God" demonstrated his own dead raising power in the raising up of "jesus." But why bother? Send a bunch of prophets ala "jesus" (and Paul, Peter, Elisha?, etc.) and just raise a bunch of dead that way. That "god" chose "jesus" out makes him special I guess. I think that someone "human" can raise dead people is pretty nifty but that's just me. Finally. All of this is just a story written by some anonymous guys. In the original ending they go get hookers and beer...and forgot the beer. mwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlerman Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Name one other religion that has a donkey speaking human language. Proof Jesus is Lord! Alright... so Winne the Poo does, but that's not really a religion is it? So, my point is made. Repent. Convert. Or else Eeyor shall speak and destroy you! (Had to try to find some way to tie that funky Wonder Woman/Eeyor avatar into this thread. Coolest avatar ever... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loren Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Its actually me in english class. no jokes. Don't worry. You're safe here, Anna. We members of ExC.net never, ever make jokes at each others' expense. Ever. Really. ...Two ex-Christians, one wearing a large fake cow head go into a bar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixentrox Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Name one other religion that has a donkey speaking human language. Proof Jesus is Lord! Alright... so Winne the Poo does, but that's not really a religion is it? So, my point is made. Repent. Convert. Or else Eeyor shall speak and destroy you! (Had to try to find some way to tie that funky Wonder Woman/Eeyor avatar into this thread. Coolest avatar ever... ) Well there is a holy book called The Tao of Pooh isn't there? And there is the followup called the The Te of Piglet right? Well that must mean it's a true religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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