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Modern Body Shame Vs. Ancient Views Of The Body


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Vacuumflux, your post just made me realize something....

 

My mom is a damn hypocrite!!

 

DAD gets privacy. I never see dad nekkid or on the john... MOM on the other hand..... I've frequently visited them and had conversations with mom both changing her clothes or taking a dump. No biggie because I'm another female...right? Except my DAD is often standing right there talking to her too!

 

It's no big thing...we are all family right? But for her to turn around and call ME an exhibitionist when I'm naked and alone in my apartment..... HOLY CRAP!!! I've let her off easy just ignoring her when she has said that to me for YEARS!! She goes to the bathroom with a husband and daughter audience (My Dad has always given me privacy when changing clothes or in the bathroom...not mom though), and she call ME the exhibitionist!?

 

Holysonofabitchingmooseballsonfire! :vent:

 

And YES I just noticed this! Mom being naked in front of both me and my father at the same time has just been so much a part of life, that her nudity has become freaking invisible!

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...She goes to the bathroom with a husband and daughter audience (My Dad has always given me privacy when changing clothes or in the bathroom...not mom though)...

Mom aside, I notice that since your dad is obviously following different social rules for different people, and those rules are based on what's comfortable for those people, and not him, it seems clear that he cares enough about the people in his life to pay attention, notice that different people want different things, and to actually think about it and modify his behavior accordingly. To me, that's a clear sign that he cares.

 

I find that sort of quiet showing of care by actions to be very respectable. That kind of thing often may not look like much from the outside, but it sure says a lot about what's going on inside him. To me, that's a huge part of what true manhood is all about.

 

May I be so presumptuous as to suggest that next time you see him, you give him a big hug and a private whisper in his ear of how much you appreciate that kind of thing? Men like him go through life doing all sorts of things like that for others, making a constant discipline out of it and doing it not for recognition, but because they simply feel it's the right thing to do. Such men can do this for thirty, forty, fifty years and more. If I'm right about the kind of man he is, for you to let him know that you notice what's he does and are grateful would be so meaningful to him, it would be like pure gold. He might not ever say another word about it, but it would be the kind of thing he would keep in his heart for the rest of his life.

 

Again, please forgive my presumptuousness if my suggestion isn't appropriate.

 

Loren

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I find that sort of quiet showing of care by actions to be very respectable. That kind of thing often may not look like much from the outside, but it sure says a lot about what's going on inside him.

 

 

Oh my Dad is amazing, no doubt! He is the standard I've measured others (and myself) by my whole life. Other people openly respect him. He truly is a Good Man.

 

Little Father's Day story foy ya....sorry to hijack the thread with it....but it's a fine tale. On Sunday, one of the room renters was showing off his new computer. My Dad was in his room as they'd been discussing running a cable from the Hub so he could get internet access. So I walk in to see the new computer the guy is so proud of.

 

It's a Dell Laptop, and when he "woke" it, it started to automatically play the movie in the DVD tray. Whiiiiich happened to be gay porn. He turns ashen and quickly closes the laptop. My dad shakes his head, and walks out to help mom with dinner while I laugh my damn ass off. Poor guy was RED. He didn't want to join us for dinner, but we made him. And my dad, he justs says: "Gee, and I thought you were a Boy Scout." to the guy with a smile as he passed him the spaghetti.

 

Now this renter has always had a very active dating life....I mean ACTIVE. More than once my Dad has been joined at breakfast by young men who were overnight "guests" (and not just the renters "guests", but on one occasion, one of mine wandered out of my apartment and upstairs to sit and drink coffee with my Dad...he said later he'd wished he had a camera for the look on my face).

 

I don't know how, or why my Dad came to define tolerance to this extent (compared to the close-minded bigots and jackasses he's worked with over the years), but it's really cool.

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It's all the fault of the puritans. They repressed sex, and that (eventually) led to an American culture where it's fine to show murders to kids, but not fine to show them naked people. Which is just plain messed up, when you think about it.

 

I'm old enough to have gone to school when you a) had to shower after gym class and B) had one big shower area with show heads on a post. You didn't like it, you just did it. How well you dealt with it depended on your parents - at the club where I work out you will see very wide differences in male behavior - some guys don't want any public nudity at all (and there are closed shower stalls for them), and others simply don't care. I don't see a lot of correlation between fitness level and behavior - there are a lot of flabby guys (both fat and thin) walking around nude.

 

Reportedly the women's locker room is much more contained - there are separate changing areas you can use so you don't have to expose to anybody if you don't want, but there's the same range of behavior.

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It's a Dell Laptop, and when he "woke" it, it started to automatically play the movie in the DVD tray. Whiiiiich happened to be gay porn. He turns ashen and quickly closes the laptop.

 

 

 

 

......oops!

 

:lmao:

 

It's a damn good thing your dad is the kind of man he is. Instead of just being embarrassing, that situation could have been disastrous!

 

I don't know how, or why my Dad came to define tolerance to this extent (compared to the close-minded bigots and jackasses he's worked with over the years), but it's really cool.

 

So I was right about him! *Loren pats self on back*

 

Men like him are an inspiration. There are far too few of them in the world.

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I had huge hang ups about my body growing up. There are a lot of reasons specific to my situation but it was mostly due to lessons about modesty being utterly pounded into my head. I never thought I was unattractive. In fact, it was getting male attention that caused me to feel guilty because it meant I was tempted them to sin. I felt guilty every time I got a compliment and I felt like I was causing them to commit adultery in their hearts. So essentially I started praying that I would be found ugly by the opposite sex and ignored by them. A lot of this has to do with sexual abuse I suffered and in turn blamed myself for being immodest and causing men to fall away.

 

So after I got free from Christianity, I started dismantling my body image issues. I embraced my femininity, my inner sexy. I started being naked around close friends and I loved the feeling of it. I ran around naked in a park at night for fun. I felt not only free from my religious oppression but free from my body shame. It was glorious.

 

I admit, other people's hangups do keep me clothed. But as soon as an environment is open to me being naked (more common than you'd think) I strip on down! I have no problems with others' bodies either. Fat, old, thin, wrinkled - they are bodies, just like mine. Everyone should feel safe enough to exist in their own skin.

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