Can't Se The Forest For The F Word.

[Purple]

So, yesterday a child that has been in my care for a year was ripped from my home to go back to her bio grandmother who couldn't even be bothered to get a prescription filled for this kid, who is ill, and would be dead if I had not stepped in. CPS is USELESS! On my facebook I wrote that the word for the day is F&ck. This was over, not just what was going on with this child, but also, I'd had to call the court house over a speeding ticket and the court's phone had been disconnected.

 

An old friend from my fundie days had recently found and added me to face book, and, ignoring the current pain in my life, decided to comment on my language instead. The following is what took place, I'll remove names to protect the inno--- a$$wipe.

 

 

Linda aka me

Word for the day is f&ck! Yes, I know I know, but believe me it's a good word it's a fine word, and when you have to call the DMV cuz the number for superior court has been disconnected it IS the most appropriate word. Don't like it? Well, f&ck you, oh and have a spiffy day you f&ckers.

 

Moutain Girl Oh haahahahahahahahah you are so f&*kin' funny.Wed at 10:07 ·

Gin & tonic hahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!Wed at 10:07 ·

Fundie Man No bueno.....Wed at 10:13 · Revjust needs to be said...

 

Wed at 10:43 ·

Fundie Man

Ya' think? I don't think so....can't say I haven't thought it, but I don't think it needs to be said, quite honestly.Wed at 13:44 ·

Mountain Girlafter everything Linda and her family have been through, it actually does need to be said.Wed at 15:15 ·

Linda

Thank you Annie!

Wed at 18:15 · Linda

Oh and David F you and I mean that with love.

Wed at 18:22 ·

Samuel

Hey if you think it, isnt that the same as saying it. I'll have to check my church lady hand book.

Wed at 22:12 ·

Mountain GirlOkay, I'm no church lady but I think just thinking is a bit like solo sex, might feel alright for a minute but doesn't really satisfy. Saying it is the full Monty... Good for you Linda!Thurs at 05:13 ·

Fundie Man

Nope....thinking it and saying it are clearly not the same thing - obviously. Thinking about Ice Cream and Consuming Ice Cream - not the same thing.

Thurs at 05:48 ·

Mountain Gilr

my point exactly... In my humble opinion, it is prudent to realize that people have limits and when one reaches their limit, doing is much more rewarding than simply thinking. Thurs at 06:04 ·

Fundie Man But simply thinking and not reacting builds self control....Thurs at 06:05 ·

Mountain Girl and again, when one has reached one's LIMIT.. self-control is overrated. it is a part of the human condition.. or have you never been stripped bare? Thurs at 06:06 ·

Fundie Man Saying it and posting it on FaceBook is not an expression of Self Control - or lack thereof...To actually say it in solitary and to actually post it for all to see.....what does it prove? Thurs at 06:07 ·

Mountain Girl It is cathartic.. don't think she was out to prove anything. Enough gets to be too much at times and it feels good to commiserate with people who will understand. I'm not sure how well you know Linda but our girl has never been overly concerned with what others will think of her... again, a noble attribute and one that more people would do well to cultivate.Thurs at 06:11 ·

 

Fundie Man

I know Linda well enough....she's a sweet person, indeed. But my elders always told me "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all." I understand the need to vent.....believe me....but the language just doesn't jive.Thurs at 06:13 ·

Mountain Girl

well, I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. The Blackwells have been through more in the last 6 months than most people have in 5 years. I honestly hope that you never have to learn firsthand that judgment is a cosmic boomerang. I hope you are never decimated to the point that you cry out in pain and then have to be admonished by someone who can't possibly know how you are feeling. BTW David, that line that came from your elders actually came from Bambi but who's counting.Thurs at 06:20 ·

Fundie Man My dear Heidi.....after trying to conceive a child for years, my wife and I finally had a son. Five weeks later, I was diagnosed with cancer and spent most of 2007 battling that - at age 35. We had no debt other than a single car payment, but for some reason, we are currently in the midst of a bankruptcy....something that happens to your finances... See more when you have cancer. I almost died last year due to double pneumonia.....and the company I worked for (Lehman Bros) collapsed in the Wall Street collapse in 2008....and all of this in 3 years.....please do not tell me that I don't know what trials are. Those are only the things I am telling you....there is plenty more.

 

I am not placing judgement....not at all. I'm just saying that while I agree with Linda's frustration.....it doesn't necessarily have to be displayed for all to see. That's not a judgement call. And perhaps my elders saw Bambi....good for them. ;)Thurs at 06:29 ·

 

Mountain Girl

and still through all of it, you never publicly lost control... amazing.Not everyone cares about what others will think, not everyone sensors themselves to make it more palatable. People deal with different things differently. Posting in public is a way to share our hearts David. 'nuff said. I am truly sorry for your trials but I don't agree that ... See moreyou are not passing judgment. Semantics can be left for another time... Hope you have a wonderful weekend. I wish you health and prosperity in the future.Thurs at 06:36 ·

 

Fundie Man

Thank you Heidi...and yes, we can agree to disagree. My little family of three has had a HUGE boatload of trials.....I COMPLETELY understand Linda's frustration....I've been dealing with 'California State Stuff' this week and I want to just hit something it make me so mad.....but God is good and God is in control....and I cannot let it get me down.

 

You have a wonderful weekend too.....and health and prosperity to you too! Thank you. May God bless you.Thurs at 06:38 ·

 

Linda aka MeOkay I'm going to chime in here, even though the two of you decided to agree to disagree. Hey it is my facebook.

 

Self control, I don't see it, not at all. Everyone on the planet, over twelve has a story of trials. Unfortunately there are also children, twelve and under who's trials would make yours and mine look like Sunday in the park. To me, trails are not to be used to wear as a badge of honor and ticket to judge others. Trials, if used well, grow compassion. Self control is when you see someone, old enough to be your mother, use a word you don't approve of you weigh the benefit of pointing it out to them, and decide to keep your mouth closed.

 

Not reacting builds self control. Your words, I agree. I didn't "react" I made a strong statement, about language and the Superior Court of California. You reacted to my statement by picking on one word. You did not seem to pause and think if your correction, of my behavior, and Erin's support of it, were needed. Well David, it wasn't, not because we all want to sit around and swear, and don't want you around to ruin our fun, no. No, we are all adults here, and everyone here understood "what" I said and responded with compassion to that. ... See more

 

Not reacting builds self control. Your words, again, I agree. A wise man knows that to come into a conversation, or a persons life and give them guidance or correction is a privilege earned. You earn this by being an accepted and respected elder, clergy, or family that loves you like family. Over the last couple years Annie (aka Heidi) has earned that right. In all that Sam and I have gone through, we've not gone through it alone. I have 3 other children, even if 2 are now legally adults. (Seriously does Austin count as an adult? He's still in high school!) Amy, my baby, has been deeply wounded by this. David I feel for your pain, but nothing compares to one of your kids having a real, deep hurt. Annie, and her family did not say to me, "I'll pray for you" the most shallow sentence currently in the English language, no, they moved, they took an action, they loved us. Annie, voluntarily, took on Amy and is tutoring her. Amy is bright, beautiful and deeply deeply talented, I'm not just saying that cuz I'm her mother. She is also highly emotional, compassionate, and things get to her. Safara is her sister, and she just lost her, to a family that has proven, and continues to prove, they cannot take care of her. She's been emotionally flattened by this and it started to show in her grades. Annie didn't judge me as a parent, and correct me not being more on the ball with Amy. No, she came in and helped where needed. Erin, who you choose to disagree with first is an ordained minister, she earned her title through school, getting a degree, and in the trenches working children’s ministry. She's been here for this family in very real ways. She doesn't wait for us to call, she calls me, and believe me (looks up at the tome I've written) you think I am verbose here you should deal with me on the phone when I've had a bad day.

 

Now, I am not going to say I know you well. I am no wise man, in fact I consider myself THE fool, the jester and kin to coyote. I admit I have in no way earned the right to correct anything in your life, BUT that said, while you were going after the splinter in my eye, the log in yours has been hitting me in the head, it hurts. so, I'm giving it back to you.

 

In this situation you had an opportunity, a few actually. First to get to know me well enough to never describe me as sweet. I'm a lot of things, sweet I'm not. Curmudgeon, fighter, jerk, beautiful, mother, mother tiger, well I could go on, but enough about me. Point is the chance to get to know me.. FAIL.

 

You had an opportunity to show real compassion, you choose judgment instead, compassion.. FAIL.

 

Last, but not least, love.. love does not keep a record of wrongs, love hears with the eyes of the heart. Love... FAIL.

 

Sorry if that smarted, but you only get to smack the coyote around with the log in your eye so many times. Thurs at 09:25 ·

 

Fundie Man

Not smarting at all. What smarts is that you say you are not sweet....because I have known you for about 15 years.....and I do think you are a sweet person. Am I not allowed to see you as such??? But, what do I know? LOL. Hey, God bless you all. And I pray for you - and that is not cheap or shallow, by any means. I do not disagree with you ... See moreand the issues you have had to deal with. The state is very difficult to deal with. All I said was that I didn't agree with the choice of a certain word.....your extreme displeasure with the state could be expressed without the usage of that....but, if you choose to use it - and publish it - I guess it is your right....I just didn't think it was a needed word to express your frustration. I'm not contesting your frustration with the state, your situation, etc. I will pray for your situation.....count my prayers as cheap or shallow, if you will, but I will pray for you.

 

Love you and Sam, Linda....and I do think that you are both sweet people....Thurs at 12:04 ·

 

Samuel aka the DH

If the letter F and the letter P decided to switched places Wolfgang Puck would have an even Stranger name.Thurs at 19:11 ·

 

Linda aka Me

haaaahahahaha Sam I love you ya nut!Thurs at 19:19 ·

 

Fundie Man

Sam! Or the Anaheim Ducks.....and switch the D for an F.....that made me laugh......Sam, Linda is right....you are a nut....and BOTH of you sweet...YES sweet.....Yesterday at 05:53 ·

 

Samuel aka the DH

I'll give you this, I am sweet, in fact Linda and I have opperated very succesfully over the years on the good cop/bad cop princepal, Yes Ii have always been the good cop and she is much more suited for the bad cop.Yesterday at 07:23 ·

 

Fundie Man No no no....I wont' hear of that. Ok, you're sweet as Sugar and she is sweet as Splenda...Yesterday at 07:25 ·

 

Linda aka Me

David I don't find you funny, I find you rude, arrogant and insulting. I know myself, I know who I am and how I am. You're wrong. You have not known me for 14 years, you knew me 14 years ago. Perhaps you might get to know me again, but you won't insisting you know me better than I do myself. I would not be so presumptuous to say I know you. As you'... See moreve said here, you've been through a lot. When you had cancer was I there for you? Call you, send a casserole to you house? Anything? No. You and I knew each other, we still know of each other. It's not like 14 yeas ago though when a young, single, funny, chubby young man used to sit at my kitchen table once a week to go over plans for the childrens ministry. Are you that same young man? I doubt it. I didn't exactly freeze in time either, show some respect. I know me, I'm not sweet, this isn't self deprecation, or a self esteem issue. I'm too strong, old and grouchy to be considered sweet, and I find someone saying so discounting all the fights, battles and scars from the past years.

 

I knew all along you were not arguing with me over the fact that the courts and the DMV are frustrating, I'm not stupid and I read fairly well TYVM. You were attempting to correct me and Erin. I say Erin cuz she is who you actaually, directly responded to. You have every right I suppose to disagree with Erin. My responce to you, in short (HAHAH short, snort HEHHE LOL) is this, you don't have the right to correct me, you are not in my life enough, and if you missed it, you and I are not of the same faith any longer.

 

What I said about prayer is 100% correct, it is often completely shallow. It's a way of doing absolutely nothing, but making yourself feel better about it. Maybe, instead of bleeting off "I believe in prayer" so fast you should stop and think about it. Weather or not prayer is meaningful isn't the issue here. The issue is people, going about saying "Be warmed and be filled" leaveing it to God and letting people, hurt, starve, and even die, while they do nothing. Plus, we all know half the people that say "I'll pray for you." don't even do that. Maybe you will, I dunno, but what's the purpose of telling me in a public forum? This can completely come off as me being the bitter mean ole unbeliever. Fine I'll wear that hat, although, bitter?? no, but I digress. Think about what you've said here from a Christian perspective. You said publically you'll pray for me, and you've insisted you know better than I. From a biblical, christian perspective what have you done but act like a pharisee?Yesterday at 09:36 ·

 

Air Head

Fuck this shit.11 hours ago ·

 

Fundie Man

Wow.....

Well Linda...forgive me. I didn't mean to insult you by calling you sweet or imply that I was trying to correct you or anyone or anything negative I simply commented that I didn't think a certain word usage was appropriate.......that was definitely not my aim to insult as you have insulted me. I was sincerely thrilled to have found you ... here....as you and Sam were some of the first people I looked for here when I joined facebook in January 2009 - but didn't find you then..... If you find me unfunny, rude, arrogant and insulting, then perhaps you should remove me from your friend list.....friends generally don't talk to friends as you have 'spoken' to me here. And for the record... I did pray for you...and will continue to do so....Goodbye..

end of face book crap~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Proving once again fundementalist means never having to say you're sorry. I'll give you the first time he called me swet he was innocent, when I told him no I'm not, plus KNOWING where I was yesterday, a compassionate person would have just let it alone.

[godlessgrrl]

Jeezus assfucking Moses.

 

If fundie asshats spent as much time trying to reform the child welfare system as they do pissing and moaning about the words other people use, the world would be a much different place.

 

I'm sorry you've had to deal with all the bullshit lately. That fucking sucks.

[Thurisaz]

It's not surprising, is it? We see this morontheist S. O. P. every day...

 

- be confronted with reason and reality

- find you can't refute reality

- claim moral superiority instead by complaining about the reasonable side's language

- win by moral superiority even though you have no reasonable argument whatsoever (at least in your own fucked-up mind)

 

[ebonileigh]

I find it hard to understand why, after anyone has been through cancer and economic hardship, they would even be concerned the slightest little bit about someone swearing, that really pisses me off, fucking bullshit, these christians get so offended by what they hear (or read), and offended by what people do when they are naked. What offends me is all the suffering, abuse and maltreatment of others (and that includes other animals, because we are animals, just the dominant ones, mores the pity). And this suffering, abuse and maltreatment of the human animal is predominantly upon women and children. Why isn't he offended at all that!!!

[mwc]

Ignoring the obvious problems with all this I have more of a question about the whole way Facebook works since I don't use it. Isn't what's posted there private or semi-private? So only people you invite to see it can see it? Or at least people that know to visit your page can see this? So it's not really all that "public" at all. Like you're screaming it out at a school or something but more to people you know in a booth at a restaurant or something? Only people that happen in on the conversation will even take notice.

 

I think he's just saying he's so much better since his faith kept him from hitting a low spot like this and he didn't have to resort to such things. I see lots of "offensive" language coming from him. I say fuck him and his prayers.

 

mwc

[Purple]

Ignoring the obvious problems with all this I have more of a question about the whole way Facebook works since I don't use it. Isn't what's posted there private or semi-private? So only people you invite to see it can see it? Or at least people that know to visit your page can see this? So it's not really all that "public" at all. Like you're screaming it out at a school or something but more to people you know in a booth at a restaurant or something? Only people that happen in on the conversation will even take notice.

 

I think he's just saying he's so much better since his faith kept him from hitting a low spot like this and he didn't have to resort to such things. I see lots of "offensive" language coming from him. I say fuck him and his prayers.

 

mwc

 

 

I would consider facebook at best "semi-private". Only people on your friends list can read it, but since my friend list, and lot of other people's has more than 20 people on it I do realise things can get around. Still, making it sound like I yelled fire in a theater is a bit much.

 

I hope it all wasn't horribly difficult to read, I tried to make it as easy as possible, but I'm not sure I did. Also the missing E in the title even bugs me, sorry. The E has started sticking, well not sure what to call it sticking isn't exactly right, but I hit the key and nothing happens, sucky thing is it's E, the most popular letter in the english language. bleh

[Or'el]

I am a teacher at a high school. Earlier this year, a young man was exposed (in front of a group) by another young man. I guess the young man who did the "de-pants-ing" thought it would be a great joke, but there happened to be a teacher present. At the surprise and embarrassment of what had just happened, the young man who had been violated yelled, "FUCK!" and ran from the room, trying desperately to cover himself and pull his pants back up.

 

When the two young men were in the principal's office, the one who had been violated was given the more severe punishment than the other, because he had dared to curse in front of a lady (teacher). The teacher involved is my good friend, and she opposed this judgment. She thought the language was understandable, due to what had just happened. The principal, however, highly disagreed and the judgment stood. Later, I found out that the principal is a Baptist preacher.

 

I am brand new to this area, and this is my first school year in this district... still trying to figure out how they run things down here. My husband and I are from Colorado, but we are currently living in Louisiana. This is where this story has taken place. To say the least, I am very un-impressed at the fundamentalism and the lack of "Separation of Church and State" that I have witnessed down here. It actually turns my stomach.

 

I could go on and on about this topic, but the point here is that the usage of the "F-word" is not the greatest travesty known to man! While it may offend some, it is the right of others to express their emotion. It doesn't matter if it is in front of a teacher, or on a personal Facebook page. Hopefully we can all be adult enough to recognize that bad things happen in this world, and sometimes there is no better word to properly express how we feel.

[Carmen]

Sigh. This can get so frustrating. I am not one to cuss but it doesn't bother me if other people want to. I have known Christians who will consider an entire movie ruined because it had a few cuss words in it. I don't see why cuss words are such a great sin. Once I was in a Christian writer's group, and one of my friend's was sharing this amazing, very well-written and imaginative chapter of a book she was writing. A character got angry and cussed. One of the people in the group could only rant about how awful it was that she had put "hell" and "damn" in her dialouge, refusing to acknowledge how good the chapter was.

[dagnarus]

Jeezus assfucking Moses.

 

If fundie asshats spent as much time trying to reform the child welfare system as they do pissing and moaning about the words other people use, the world would be a much different place.

 

You mean one in which you have to be a fundamentalist to raise children?

[Purple]

I am a teacher at a high school. Earlier this year, a young man was exposed (in front of a group) by another young man. I guess the young man who did the "de-pants-ing" thought it would be a great joke, but there happened to be a teacher present. At the surprise and embarrassment of what had just happened, the young man who had been violated yelled, "FUCK!" and ran from the room, trying desperately to cover himself and pull his pants back up.

 

When the two young men were in the principal's office, the one who had been violated was given the more severe punishment than the other, because he had dared to curse in front of a lady (teacher). The teacher involved is my good friend, and she opposed this judgment. She thought the language was understandable, due to what had just happened. The principal, however, highly disagreed and the judgment stood. Later, I found out that the principal is a Baptist preacher.

 

I am brand new to this area, and this is my first school year in this district... still trying to figure out how they run things down here. My husband and I are from Colorado, but we are currently living in Louisiana. This is where this story has taken place. To say the least, I am very un-impressed at the fundamentalism and the lack of "Separation of Church and State" that I have witnessed down here. It actually turns my stomach.

 

I could go on and on about this topic, but the point here is that the usage of the "F-word" is not the greatest travesty known to man! While it may offend some, it is the right of others to express their emotion. It doesn't matter if it is in front of a teacher, or on a personal Facebook page. Hopefully we can all be adult enough to recognize that bad things happen in this world, and sometimes there is no better word to properly express how we feel.

 

 

*shakes head* mind boggleing isn't it. I am in awe sometimes how insensitive fundementalism makes a person.

[Non-Redneck]

Fundies are fucking assholes. They get offended at the word "fuck", but have no problem with people starving and getting killed. They really are mentally ill.

[ShallowByThyGame]

Is there even laws against swearing in the bible? The f word is not taking the lords name in vain.

 

My parents used to get mad when we said the word 'suck' haha. Wasn't logical to me then and it isn't now, as I was taught that free speech is the core of being American. I'll admit there are times when it's not polite, but there are also times when it's the best word to express what is going on. And in 100 years it might be a different word.

[Purple]

Is there even laws against swearing in the bible? The f word is not taking the lords name in vain.

 

My parents used to get mad when we said the word 'suck' haha. Wasn't logical to me then and it isn't now, as I was taught that free speech is the core of being American. I'll admit there are times when it's not polite, but there are also times when it's the best word to express what is going on. And in 100 years it might be a different word.

 

 

As I recall there are not laws against swearing exactly, but laws, or new testiment warnings about speech. Some of these verses get used to say see, it's a sin. Most thugh are more speaking of things like slander and gossip.

[Vomit Comet]

I think there's something in one of the Pauline epistles that's been translated as "coarse joking" and/or "rough talk."