What Makes Chistians Think They Are Saved?

[Checkmate]

Honestly, I have not friggin clue what he's trying to say.

 

Was it a response to a question or was is a rebuttal of Serenity's post, I'm not sure...

 

Maybe s/he ran out of meds?

I vote for the meds option.

 

Since Croesus quoted Serenity I PRESUME that it was a futile attempt to reply to her. But what was the reply? Who the heck knows? Maybe you need the "Gift of discernment"? I dunno.

 

I'm just glad that no one else gets his jabbering. After reality's LOOONG pointless drivel in his thread, that ALSO made no sense to me, I was beginning to doubt my mental acuity.

 

These Alice in Wonderland conversations are wearing me out!

[Croesus]

Tell me, you Bible-bashing thug, have you anything better to do than to come in here screaming about how you think the entire world is fixed and static because you think that any kind of change in your precious belief is an evil heresy?

 

Why don't you go find a street corner to scream on, instead of bothering us?

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Edwardo ask the question, I thought his question to CHRISTIANS!

[crazy-tiger]

Edwardo ask the question, I thought his question to CHRISTIANS!

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Makes me wonder why you answered then, since you keep showing us that one thing you are not is a christian...

 

 

On the other hand, you do keep showing us that you are an arrogant, ignorant, closed minded, aggressive little twerp who doesn't even know what the bible says.

[BuddhistCommunist]

Relax Dude what is your problem, either you says its true or its not true, but the profanity give me a break it just proves your heart is what it is! Jesus what goes out of mouth proceeds from the heart.......

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Quote Croesus in My (BC'S) "Im writing my own bible" page

Socrates was an "International Faggot"

Wow Jesus sure has a dirty mouth

 

 

"I then looked at my What would Jesus Do Bracelet, So I lit him on fire and sent him to Hell"

[BuddhistCommunist]

Years ago (1840–1940) apostate Liberal theologians drummed up the pagan idea

that the Almighty God, Creator of Heaven and Earth—

the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end (Rev.2; Col. 1; John 1)—was simply a local “tribal god” of some Hebrew “bedouins” who came out of Egypt. This

tribal deity—like Mohammed’s moon god (“Allah”)— as a local deity given a preeminent place, like Mohammed

gave to the “chief god” of the 360 gods in the

“Ka’aba.” This tribal god was called “Yaweh.” He took his place

alongside Baal, Sin (Mohammed’s moon god), Molech,

Dagon, Jupiter, Bel, Tammuz, Rimmon, Marduk, Mercury,

Zeus, Thor, Vishnu, Siva, Kali, Chronos, Osiris, etc.

Modern substitutes would be John Wayne, Madonna, John Lennon, Hillary Clinton,

Jackie Onasis, O. J. Simpson, M. L. King Jr., Einstein, Gandhi, JFK, Elvis Presley,

Karl Marx, Michael Jackson, Charles Darwin, Frank Sinatra, Bill Cosby, Sigmund

Freud, Eddie Murphy, et al. hen this word “Yaweh”as passed down from one

liberal “campfire” to another liberal “campfire” by the FCCC (1906) and the NCCC

(1960) and by all of the revisors on the translating committees

of the RSV (1957) and the NRSV (1989). “Yaweh” was the “ticket.” Yaweh has always been the hallmark of all apostate Liberals connected with any ecumenical movement. The idea was to reduce “I AM THAT I AM” (Exod. 3:14 The infinite eternal presence of a living God—to an “Ah is because ah is.” Or as the

rotten, sticking “New” King Jimmy Bible has it, “I am WHO I AM.” The New King

Jimmy Vision (Falwell, 1982–1983) simply joined up with

the unsaved Liberals(Weigle, Tillich, Oxnam,

Sockman, Albright, E. S.ones, N. V. Peale, Pike, Fosdick, Dahlberg, Blake,

Weatherhead, et al.) andadopted their reading as published in the Reprobate’s

Sapheaded Version (RSV,1952) and the Nutty Reversed

Sapheaded Vision(NRSV, 1989).When Elmer Towns, Ed

Hindson, Jerry Falwell, WallyCriswell, A. V. Henderson, and Truman Dollar served onthe “Overview Committee” of the NKJV they simply joinedhands with the FOUNDER ofNeo-evangelicalism: Harold Ockenga. They immediately

dumped the God of Israel as He defined Himself in His first revelation of His NAME

(Exod. 3:14, 6:3). There are seven “Jehovahs” in the Scripture (see below). Not

one of them is “Yaweh” or a tribal God. Not one of them said that He was just “WHO He was.” He said there never was a time when He was

NOT.“And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say

unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you” (Exod. 3:14).“For thus saith the highand lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is

Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble

spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones”

(Isa. 57:15). “For the moth shall eat them up like a garment, and

the worm shall eat them like wool: but my righteousness shall be for ever, and my salvation from generation to

generation” (Isa. 51:8).

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Studying Mythology is a passion of Mine, so heres some information for you.

 

"Yahweh Was probably derived From the Caananite God EL And probably origintated from the Jewish tribes as a mountian God" Which is Funny Because Moses went up Mount Siani, Because it was originally a mountian sacred to Yahweh the Mountain Gawd...........................

 

Fuck the Bible, fuck Bible Gawd, And most of all son, Fuck YOU!!!

[Croesus]

Studying Mythology is a passion of Mine, so heres some information for you.

 

"Yahweh Was probably derived From the Caananite God EL And probably origintated from the Jewish tribes as a mountian God" Which is Funny Because Moses went up Mount Siani, Because it was originally a mountian sacred to Yahweh the Mountain Gawd...........................

 

F the Bible, f Bible Gawd, And most of all son, F YOU!!!

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You commies are all the same, lets get rid of God, believe in evolution, dialectical materialism, converge the world under the one world government and kill 20-100 million people Dan7:5,

 

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[crazy-tiger]

You commies are all the same, lets get rid of God, believe in evolution, dialectical materialism, converge the world under the one world government and kill 20-100 million people Dan7:5,

 

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Yep... most definitely a Goldy-clone.

 

 

:dusts of the Goldy demolition machinery:

[Croesus]

And other than the evolution part this differs exactly "how" from the bible?

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What are you trying to tell me you are a commie too?

[Ouroboros]

You commies are all the same, lets get rid of God, believe in evolution, dialectical materialism, converge the world under the one world government and kill 20-100 million people Dan7:5,

 

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You self-righteouse, stuck-up, bible-thumping idiot.

You're the one going to hell.

Your religion is the murdering and hateful ideology that will destroy this world.

[Mythra]

I've been gone for awhile. Nice to see that some things never change. One fundy is just replaced by another brainwashed clone with exactly the same rhetoric.

 

What's next Croesus? The four-point perfect proof for God?

[Ouroboros]

What are you trying to tell me you are a commie too?

What? Are you trying to tell us that God didn't reveal this to you already through the HG?

 

The early Church is clearly described as the first group with socialistic ideas.

Just read the frigging Bible for once!

 

Jesus was the first Commie.

And you're not.

So you are not a True Christian™, and you're going to Hell!!!

[Ouroboros]

I've been gone for awhile.  Nice to see that some things never change.  One fundy is just replaced by another brainwashed clone with exactly the same rhetoric.

 

What's next Croesus? The four-point perfect proof for God?

MYTHRA!!! YAY!!! THE WELCOME BACK PARTY IS ON!!! W00T!1!1!!

[Skankboy]

What are you trying to tell me you are a commie too?

 

You commies are all the same, lets get rid of God, believe in evolution, dialectical materialism, converge the world under the one world government and kill 20-100 million people Dan7:5,

 

So rather than actually answer the questions, you resort to ad hominem attacks. Would it be possible for you to actually answer a question?

[Ouroboros]

So rather than actually answer the questions, you resort to ad hominem attacks.  Would it be possible for you to actually answer a question?

He only answers the questions he has a Bible quote for, the rest of the questions he ridicule.

Croesus is a KVJO Bible Thumper™ associate.

[crazy-tiger]

Just to point out that this...

You commies are all the same, lets get rid of God, believe in evolution, dialectical materialism, converge the world under the one world government and kill 20-100 million people

is EXACTLY the kind of stuff that a former resident troll used to come out with all the time.

 

Despite being proven wrong time and time again, this little troll used to keep coming out with some of the stupidest and hateful personal attacks that you've seen, and always justified it with the fact that Atheists managed to "kill 20-100 million people"

 

This former troll, despite his constant claims that he was TOTALLY banned from here, still appears in the shoutbox on occasions.

 

This former troll would NEVER answer a question except by attacking Atheists... it was his trademark.

 

The name of this former troll? Emanuel Goldstein II

 

 

 

 

I would like to announce that, henceforth, Croesus shall be known only by the name "Goldy" since that is what he is.

 

As such, I will no longer make any attempts to respond to him in a civil way. I will, instead, take a leaf out of his book and just make personal attacks on him.

 

 

Fuck the twat... if he can't take shit, then he'd better learn not to fucking well dole it out.

[dario]

I thought I would join in on the conversation, since I'm sure I can give Christianity a better name than Croesus has. I have my ideas on why Croesus acts this way, but whatever the reasons may be, he is still in the wrong.

 

Well, I really don't know where to start besides stating that I do believe that I am saved and that my salvation is guaranteed. Now I realize that this statement will bring a whole lot of fire, but I am ready for it. We can discuss this belief of OSAS and use scripture or not. All I ask is that we do this in a respectful way. I respect all of you that are respectful. You will never here slander or put downs come out of my mouth, or written down for that matter. So we can talk about OSAS or we can talk about why I think I am saved, whatever you would like. Also, I do believe in the realization of sin. I see it in my life and in the lives of others. Basically sin to me is doing something wrong. Its the whole concept of right and wrong.

 

Brian Dario

[Ouroboros]

I thought I would join in on the conversation, since I'm sure I can give Christianity a better name than Croesus has.  I have my ideas on why Croesus acts this way, but whatever the reasons may be, he is still in the wrong.

Thanks. I'm glad there's some Christians that have dignity to stand up for their faith in a positive way.

 

Also, I do believe in the realization of sin.

What do you mean specifically with the "realization of sin"?

Do you mean how people behave as the cause of sin, or how sin is proven to exist by their sinful acts?

 

Basically sin to me is doing something wrong.  Its the whole concept of right and wrong. 

We had a topic 1-2 months ago about sin, to define it, and pretty much the best definition was "to miss the mark", which is more of, not intentionally do what you were supposed to do, i.e. "not receive Jesus as saviour" or "not living up to God's expectations". The right or wrong is a very loose definition, since the last couple of years smoking has become "wrong", when it was ok just 20 years ago, and drinking is sinful too nowdays while it wasn't 150 years ago, and 20 years from now driving a big car will be sinful or eating McDonalds french fries. All this while we have accepted that eating pork is not longer sinful, and obstinate and disobeying kids are not a deadly sin punished by stoning. The sin concept is in constant flux and redefinition, the same way as the dogma of Christianity. It's a moving target, not an absolute.

 

Brian Dario

[white_raven23]

Fair enough Dario.

 

Here's one for you. Many members of ex-c were obviously once christians before we left the religion. At one time we each prayed the prayer asking Jesus into our lives, thus saving us from damnation.

 

If once saved always saved is what you believe in, then it cannot matter one bit that we have left the fold. OSAS remember? By this logic, we are still in good standing after we die, regardless of what we ultimately decided to believe in years after we prayed that prayer.

 

If that is true, then what is the deal with these christians coming in here and giving us an earful for abandoning the faith? OSAS pretty much means that even if we choose to abandon Jesus, he's not going to be abandoning us. Thus we are still saved by that logic.

 

So....why are these christians typing out bible length posts trying to re-convert us when it's redundant because of OSAS?

[Checkmate]

You commies are all the same, lets get rid of God, believe in evolution, dialectical materialism, converge the world under the one world government and kill 20-100 million people Dan7:5,

 

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"You commies are all the same"? What kind of racist bullshit is this? Commie? Who the fuck are you? Joe MacArthy? Go fuck yourself, Frank. You don't deserve any respect AT ALL. Christian or not. You are a sorry excuse for a human being, and I'm sorry to be genetically associated with you. You're an embarrassment. FOAD.

[dario]

Thanks. I'm glad there's some Christians that have dignity to stand up for their faith in a positive way.

What do you mean specifically with the "realization of sin"?

Do you mean how people behave as the cause of sin, or how sin is proven to exist by their sinful acts?

We had a topic 1-2 months ago about sin, to define it, and pretty much the best definition was "to miss the mark", which is more of, not intentionally do what you were supposed to do, i.e. "not receive Jesus as saviour" or "not living up to God's expectations". The right or wrong is a very loose definition, since the last couple of years smoking has become "wrong", when it was ok just 20 years ago, and drinking is sinful too nowdays while it wasn't 150 years ago, and 20 years from now driving a big car will be sinful or eating McDonalds french fries. All this while we have accepted that eating pork is not longer sinful, and obstinate and disobeying kids are not a deadly sin punished by stoning. The sin concept is in constant flux and redefinition, the same way as the dogma of Christianity. It's a moving target, not an absolute.

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You are right in saying that the concept of right and wrong is a very loose definition of sin. I would have to agree with the closer definition of sin: "to miss the mark."

 

Examples of sin, IMO, are things such as sexual immorality, murder, lying, greed, rage, etc. These things that are wrong, which are commited all of the time, are sins. But by not doing right, purposefully avoiding doing right, is also a sin IMO. For example, speaking evil of someone is a sin. It is also a sin when you avoid a person knowing that they need your friendship. That is my concept of sin.

 

Brian Dario

[crazy-tiger]

You are right in saying that the concept of right and wrong is a very loose definition of sin.  I would have to agree with the closer definition of sin: "to miss the mark." 

 

Examples of sin, IMO, are things such as sexual immorality, murder, lying, greed, rage, etc.  These things that are wrong, which are commited all of the time, are sins.  But by not doing right, purposefully avoiding doing right, is also a sin IMO.  For example, speaking evil of someone is a sin.  It is also a sin when you avoid a person knowing that they need your friendship.  That is my concept of sin.

 

Brian Dario

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So... lying to protect someone from harm... Would that be doing right? Why, yes it would.

 

Shame that it's also a sin.

 

 

 

Is lying ALWAYS wrong? Or could it be that there are times when lying, something you just proclaimed was a sin, is in fact the right, MORAL thing to do?

 

Or is it a no-win situation where God gets to fry your arse no matter which you do because either course of action is sinning...

[dario]

So... lying to protect someone from harm... Would that be doing right? Why, yes it would.

 

Shame that it's also a sin.

Is lying ALWAYS wrong? Or could it be that there are times when lying, something you just proclaimed was a sin, is in fact the right, MORAL thing to do?

 

Or is it a no-win situation where God gets to fry your arse no matter which you do because either course of action is sinning...

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That is a very good question crazy, and I know that you are full of them. Its the same as saying stealing is a sin, but what if you steal because you are dying from hunger? Jesus addressed these very issues with the Pharisees when confronted about working on the Sabbath, which was considered a sin. I'm sure you know the story so I won't go into it. Do you see my point?

 

Brian Dario

[Ouroboros]

You are right in saying that the concept of right and wrong is a very loose definition of sin.  I would have to agree with the closer definition of sin: "to miss the mark." 

I think sin can not be true defined in what constitutes right or wrong actions, since most actions can be right or wrong depending on situation. Examples below.

 

Examples of sin, IMO, are things such as sexual immorality, murder, lying, greed, rage, etc.  These things that are wrong, which are commited all of the time, are sins.  But by not doing right, purposefully avoiding doing right, is also a sin IMO.  For example, speaking evil of someone is a sin.  It is also a sin when you avoid a person knowing that they need your friendship.  That is my concept of sin.

The definition of sexual immorality is also very loose. God told people to commit acts of sexual sin in OT.

 

Murder is wrong for personal gain, but right in selfdefense or war.

 

Lying can be used for good purposes too.

 

Greed is the foundation for the financial structure in America and the west world. The free market depends on greed.

 

Rage, Jesus showed rage in the temple.

 

Jesus spoke evil about the pharisees.

 

I've been in situations where me and my wife had to avoid friendship of people to protect our family.

 

Brian Dario

[Ouroboros]

That is a very good question crazy, and I know that you are full of them.  Its the same as saying stealing is a sin, but what if you steal because you are dying from hunger?  Jesus addressed these very issues with the Pharisees when confronted about working on the Sabbath, which was considered a sin.  I'm sure you know the story so I won't go into it.  Do you see my point?

 

Brian Dario

No, the point is that Sin can not be defined by our actions.

"Sin" is an invented word by the church. It really doesn't exist.

It is invented so the church can give the cure for it.

 

The Church made up a fictious sickness, and then made up a sugarpill to heal you from this made-up illness.

[dario]

I think sin can not be true defined in what constitutes right or wrong actions, since most actions can be right or wrong depending on situation. Examples below.

The definition of sexual immorality is also very loose. God told people to commit acts of sexual sin in OT.

 

Murder is wrong for personal gain, but right in selfdefense or war.

 

Lying can be used for good purposes too.

 

Greed is the foundation for the financial structure in America and the west world. The free market depends on greed.

 

Rage, Jesus showed rage in the temple.

 

Jesus spoke evil about the pharisees.

 

I've been in situations where me and my wife had to avoid friendship of people to protect our family.

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For the most part, I agree with you. However, I don't agree that Jesus showed rage in the temple. There is a difference between uncontrolled rage and righteous indignation, even though both are considered anger. Jesus was angry over the injustice and sin that was going on in his fathers house.

 

Brian