Asimov Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Check this passage out, it's from Genesis: 20 Then Noah built an altar to the LORD and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it. 21 The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done. Sorry kids, aborted fetus'....you're all a'burnin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Gerbil Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Check this passage out, it's from Genesis: 20 Then Noah built an altar to the LORD and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it. 21 The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done. Sorry kids, aborted fetus'....you're all a'burnin. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I dunno where the whole age of accountability thing came from, really. Take abortion: 1: If they go to hell then that seems incredibly unfair. 2: If they go to heaven it is the best soul winning program we've ever had. Maybe preachers need to learn to say 'I DON'T KNOW'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryten Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Check this passage out, it's from Genesis: 20 Then Noah built an altar to the LORD and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it. 21 The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done. Sorry kids, aborted fetus'....you're all a'burnin. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Mmmm, barbeque... I am tempted to derail this into a "Why God Loves Flesh Cooking On An Open Grill", and give all the examples of how EASY it is to become his next entree. But I won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I dunno where the whole age of accountability thing came from, really. I'd never heard of it before I came here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panther Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 The age of accountability is crapola. It is nowhere in the bible, another little tasty tidbit that xtians like to come up with as an answer to questions they either don't know, or don't want to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Gods Fail Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I dunno where the whole age of accountability thing came from, really. Take abortion: 1: If they go to hell then that seems incredibly unfair. 2: If they go to heaven it is the best soul winning program we've ever had. Maybe preachers need to learn to say 'I DON'T KNOW'. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I wish more Xtians had that kind of opinion, MG. Very refreshing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totallyatpeace Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 MG...... Isn't the age of accountabililty discussed in Numbers? (serious question.) Tap Never mind. "I don't know" sounds great to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asimov Posted September 27, 2005 Author Share Posted September 27, 2005 I dunno where the whole age of accountability thing came from, really. Take abortion: 1: If they go to hell then that seems incredibly unfair. How is it unfair? They are sinners deserving of hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryten Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I dunno where the whole age of accountability thing came from, really. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We were always taught (Ass/God & 4Square) about the age of accountability to explain why God wouldn't send younger kids to hell. I know better now, but it seemed reasonable at the time. We can't allow God to send 10 year olds to everlasting torture now, can we? 12 years olds, fine- let 'em fry! But not 10 year olds-- that would just be wrong. It's an ointment to sooth the mental anguish of knowing all those kids will be burned forever and ever, amen. The biblical backing is that Jesus preached in the Temple at age 12, so that must be it. It wouldn't surprise me if it was made up by one of those two denominations, but I have no idea. I don't know about any reference in Numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totallyatpeace Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 TAP...It's only accountability as when to be counted for tax purposes (Age 20). Children were allowed to be stoned to death for being disobedient, so apparently that they were children, didn't matter when it came to sinning. Some denominations use twenty as the age from that scripture, but punishment for sin has no age restrictions. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmmm.....I could swear I saw something about the age 14 somewhere in Numbers. I need to look again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Gerbil Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Hmmm.....I could swear I saw something about the age 14 somewhere in Numbers. I need to look again. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hahhahaha... now TAP has homework. That is why I never ask questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Hahhahaha... now TAP has homework.That is why I never ask questions. I recommend e-Sword for Bible searches. I couldn't find the word Accountability in any of the translations I have (ASV, BBE, CEV, DRB, KJV, LITV) And I searched for fourteen and twelve in KJV but couldn't find anything. **edit** I couldn't find it in Quran either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totallyatpeace Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 I love E-sword, Hansolo. Use it all the time. As soon as I find it (the age thing), I'll let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythra Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 I love E-sword, Hansolo. Use it all the time. As soon as I find it (the age thing), I'll let you know. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I can tell you that you will not find anything to do with the age of accountability in the bible. Absolutely does not exist in the bible. It is a modern day christian assumption that keeps people from seeing God as an ogre. I mean, it's cool to send adults to eternal torture, but not little kids. It's probably just as well. If the bible had said that the age was 16, bonzai thumper parents would have killed all their kids at 15 1/2 to insure them a place setting at the great feast in the sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJR666 Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 I dunno where the whole age of accountability thing came from, really. Take abortion: 1: If they go to hell then that seems incredibly unfair. 2: If they go to heaven it is the best soul winning program we've ever had. Maybe preachers need to learn to say 'I DON'T KNOW'. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ponder: Did the foetus have any say in it? TJR666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Ponder: Did the foetus have any say in it? TJR666 HEY! Nice to see you outside the "knowledge" topic! Hope it wasn't just because you got lost and walked into the wrong door. Hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkepticOfBible Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Ponder: Did the foetus have any say in it? TJR666 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ponder:Did infants and children had a say when Jesus gave the following command 1 Samuel 15:1 Samuel said to Saul, "I am the one Yahweh sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from Yahweh. 2 This is what Yahweh Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightflight Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 If babies don't go to hell, then they should. All that screamin' and hollerin' they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panther Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Hahhahaha... now TAP has homework.That is why I never ask questions. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panther Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 I can tell you that you will not find anything to do with the age of accountability in the bible. Absolutely does not exist in the bible. It is a modern day christian assumption that keeps people from seeing God as an ogre. I mean, it's cool to send adults to eternal torture, but not little kids. It's probably just as well. If the bible had said that the age was 16, bonzai thumper parents would have killed all their kids at 15 1/2 to insure them a place setting at the great feast in the sky. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agree....have observed tons of xtian debates in the past when I was one....and no one could ever really find it.....USED it a lot, but never could pinpoint it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totallyatpeace Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Hahhahaha... now TAP has homework.That is why I never ask questions. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This is it, MG. I'm not saying it is talking about the age of accountability. I'm saying that some may use this scripture for those entering the promise land along side with those entering heaven. Numbers 14:27-33 27 "How long will this wicked community grumble against me? I have heard the complaints of these grumbling Israelites. 28 So tell them, 'As surely as I live, declares the LORD, I will do to you the very things I heard you say: 29 In this desert your bodies will fall—every one of you twenty years old or more who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me. 30 Not one of you will enter the land I swore with uplifted hand to make your home, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun. 31 As for your children that you said would be taken as plunder, I will bring them in to enjoy the land you have rejected. 32 But you—your bodies will fall in this desert. 33 Your children will be shepherds here for forty years, suffering for your unfaithfulness, until the last of your bodies lies in the desert. Deuteronomy 1:39 39 And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad—they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totallyatpeace Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 TAP...It's only accountability as when to be counted for tax purposes (Age 20). Children were allowed to be stoned to death for being disobedient, so apparently that they were children, didn't matter when it came to sinning. Some denominations use twenty as the age from that scripture, but punishment for sin has no age restrictions. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> SN~ I want you to know I caught this. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totallyatpeace Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Wow, TAP, good homework! But then why did god punish adam and eve when they had no knowledge of good and bad? God punished children in the flood, sent 2 bears to maul to death 42 children, has children of other tribes slaughtered and causes his people to dash infants against the rocks, etc. Yet more inconsistencies within the already numerous inconsistencies in the bible. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Want my answer or the Bibles? The Bible: God is sovereign. Mine: I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Ponder:Did infants and children had a say when Jesus gave the following command 1 Samuel 15:1 Samuel said to Saul, "I am the one Yahweh sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from Yahweh. 2 This is what Yahweh Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'" And what the HELL did the cattle, sheep, camels and donkeys do, to get killed??? I don't buy the explanation that the babies were inherently evil, so God needed to kill them to stop them from growing up to a Hitler, Sadam Hussein etc. Because why kill the animals then? The Evil Cow will overthrow little Jebus in his crib? AAH! I see. The Evil Sheep and Evil Cames would make a lineage of Evil animals that would eventually end up in the stable when Jestus were born, and they would most definitely kill the Jexus baby, so God had to kill the animals too. Hmm. Strange God forgot to mention those Evil Flies, and Evil Mosquitos, and Evil Frog, Evil Seagulls and not to mention the Evil Acorns. Let's kill them all. Damn! God needs an anger management class sooooo bad... And what did God say: "I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt." What do we call that today? Revenge! That is unlawful in our society today. It's not considered a moral and good act. It doesn't free you from punishment by the book of law. You can't kill someone and do it in revenge and get away with it. But God can??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Want my answer or the Bibles? The Bible: God is sovereign. Mine: I don't know. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Forgive me TAP, but I see this as the common cop-out. My guess: If Christians today were stoning their rebellious sons, as commanded in the bible, you would be protesting loudly. Yet, because it supposedly happened a few thousand years ago, as commanded in the bible, you excuse it as the act of a sovereign God. I submit to you that you don't really believe it happened. If you did believe it, it would most likely go against everything you hold sacred, specifically, life. TAP, do you really believe in, love, and worship a God who displays such cruel disregard for human life? Is that your God? Please answer yes. You have to, if bible God is your God. BTW, how have you been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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