Vixentrox Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Enjoy your evil, butchering, disgustingly misogynist imaginary boyfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklady Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Enjoy your evil, butchering, disgustingly misogynist imaginary boyfriend. ah Vix - missed you - you say it all so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Justyna Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Well I did look up that scripture today and read the full chapter, and as I suspected it was taken out of context. In Matt 16:28 obviously Jesus cannot be referring to His Second coming because He states in other places that He did not know that timing! So what are the real possibilities of His meaning for "the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom". First and most likely, IMO, it is the Transfiguration because it occurs the very next week as recorded in Matt 17. Certainly the Resurrection and Ascension with its attendant 40 days of the glorified Christ on earth is a prime candidate. Finally, Jesus may be referring to the Holy Spirit coming at Pentecost or even the rapid spread of the early church following that time. So I believe this a great example where one must use common sense and reason not to jump to conclusions by misinterpreting a single word, such as "coming", and then throw the entire Bible out the window because of one's personal bias against Christianity. As far as my comment about me believing that people here dont want to believe and chose not to..I will never apologize for that because I stand by it. I made a post earlier explaining how in life we have choices..well everyone knows this. Everyone here was a Chrisitian at one point or another be it one year ago or 20 years ago. We probably read the Bible, went to church, and had a relationship with Christ and other Believers. Well something happened that made that go away. Perhaps it was not a big event, perhaps it was slowly that we all stopped reading, stopped praying and stopped believing. Maybe we started to doubt and question our faith long before the deconversion actually occured as is the case with a lot of people. Maybe we started to doubt what God said in His Word and that it is real....but instead of drawing closer to Him during this time, we went with the worlds theories and CHOSE to pull away from God. Instead of reading the Word we started reading all that non sense that the world has to over. We become intrigued with that instead of believe Gods Word. So like I said we CHOSE that...we chose not to read the Bible, not to belive the Bible and God, not to go to church anymore and all the rest. That is a choice. Now that I have come full circle I can see that everything that happened to me was my fault. Not Gods fault. I was mad at God for a while..that He allowed certain things to happen to me etc. But now I see that I made choices...and everyone who is an ex-christian made a choice to leave. You say you were not able to believe anymore, but again I dont think so. Ironically when I started reading the Word again and going to church I was really not that into in the beginning. I spent close to a year being away from God so that was really hard to come back. At first I just made myself read the Bible even though I had no desire. I also started going to church even though I really didnt want to. I was undisciplined in this area and it was hard to get back into it. Now it is different, I WANT to read the Word and spend time with Him but that was not the case in the beginning. It was hard to talk to God about my anger that I felt, the pain that I felt but eventually I did. He met me where I was, took me by my hand and led me back to Him I take full accountabilty for not being close to God..just like everyone here should. We are only as close to God as we want to be. If we are not close to Him, we should ask ourselves how much time we are spending with Him being still and silent listening for His voice...how much time we are reading His Word etc. Its that simple real. When I was not close to God, it was all my fault not His. So the fact that people here are not close to Him is really their own fault. I think Satan has something to do with it though like I said before. I cant tell you how many times I will set time aside to spend quality time with the Lord, but the phone rings or someone shows up at my house.....I have to make a decision that He is going to be number one in my life no matter what. So we all made choices...I stand by that. Im really not botherd if people here think I am this that or the other. I answer to God only so that makes it really simple on my part. And as far as sharing my personal testimony....I dont feel comftorable to do that here to be honest. I dont think it will be accepted and I dont think it will do much good except get people to rally up against me and use my testimony against me. Thats what I sense. God is perfect in all His ways...the fact that we do not understand His ways does not make Him wrong. He never lies, He is incapable of lying, and His Word is true 100%. He is coming back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunaticheathen Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Most of you say that you cant believe again because you are unable to anymore. I do not agree with that statement. You do not believe because you do not want to. You let the world and all its lies into your hearts and into your heads and so it has complicated things. Fuck......YOU! This kind of dumb cuntery is what makes people here "attack" you. But I don't throw rocks like YOUR KIND DO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Donna Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Most of you say that you cant believe again because you are unable to anymore. I do not agree with that statement. You do not believe because you do not want to. You let the world and all its lies into your hearts and into your heads and so it has complicated things. Fuck......YOU! This kind of dumb cuntery is what makes people here "attack" you. But I don't throw rocks like YOUR KIND DO. This. This pretty much sums it up, Justyna. This is why we hate you. You don't know us, or even have enough empathy to try to know us. You don't understand that we don't believe because we CAN'T believe. We CAN'T do it. Please, just do this for me. Try, for five minutes, to believe in Santa Claus. Go on, try it. Seriously. Because if you know that Santa doesn't exist, you just can't make yourself believe in him. Belief is not a choice. Belief is something your brain does when confronted with evidence. Until you understand this, you will not understand what it is like to deconvert. The world is not full of lies. The world is the only thing that makes sense. Just because we don't immediately all jump up and down and say "Yay, I'm a christian again" doesn't mean we are persecuting you. You come here and insult us so that we react like any rational human being and are offended. Yes, you insult us by calling us all liars, when you don't know any of us. Then, we react. And you go back to your little church friends with your testimony of how you are so persecuted for jesus. If a christian hurts someone and they react, that is not persecution. Persecution would be if we went to YOUR website and started calling you a liar. We are not doing that. Either make an attempt to understand where we are coming from, or fuck off. If jesus existed, he would be embarrassed to call an arrogant, smug, willfully ignorant and evasive shrew like you one of his own. You are bringing nothing to this site that we haven't heard before. In fact, your arrogance is alienating the very people you are trying to convert. Great witnessing technique, idiot. Luna, you're freakin awesome. I too have been on the receiving end of rocks. They bloody hurt. Big, fist sized motherfuckers. I thought I was going to die. So I hear where you're coming from. *hugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Justyna Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I think as far as stirring up trouble and not bearing the Fruit of the Spirit goes, Jesus got angry to the point where He overturned the tables at the temple. He was radical and stirred up a lot of emotions in people. The Truth is hurtful, and it can be hard to accept (like accpeting the fact that you walked away from God and He never walked away from you). Thats a tough pill to swollow..I dealt with this already. Everywhere Jesus went there was chaos and trouble and people who hated Him because He spoke the Truth...He told them to repent and turn from their wicked ways etc. Sinners do not want to hear that. The only reason I have the right to say what I say is because I can test it against the Holy Scriptures. If a person on here says to me that God left them and that is why they themselves stopped believing I can say to them that they are either liars, misguided, or confused because He has said many times "Never will I leave you nor forsake you!" So that right there means He is right and whoever says that Jesus left them is wrong. The Bible does not lie. The black and white-ness of the Bible makes it real simple to live by. Jesus said He will never leave you. Jesus is not a liar..so therefore that means He never left. You may not feel Him or see Him, but He is there and He sees everything and knows everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Donna Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I think as far as stirring up trouble and not bearing the Fruit of the Spirit goes, Jesus got angry to the point where He overturned the tables at the temple. He was radical and stirred up a lot of emotions in people. The Truth is hurtful, and it can be hard to accept (like accpeting the fact that you walked away from God and He never walked away from you). Thats a tough pill to swollow..I dealt with this already. Everywhere Jesus went there was chaos and trouble and people who hated Him because He spoke the Truth...He told them to repent and turn from their wicked ways etc. Sinners do not want to hear that. So you're still calling me a liar, then, you arrogant fuck? It is NOT THE TRUTH to say that I walked away from god. There is no god to walk away from. Now fuck off. You are calling us all liars. You are calling ME a liar. I am not lying. You are bearing false witness. You know what the consequences of that is. I know why you keep doing it. It's because for your worldview to be right, we'd have to be liars. But we're not. So your worldview is wrong. That's what it comes down to. Well, your worldview is wrong. We are telling you the truth, and you are accusing us of being liars so you can sleep at night. On any other site, you'd be banned by now. Your behaviour is appalling. You really are in the top five worst christians I've ever met. I sincerely hope you blaspheme the holy spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Well I did look up that scripture today and read the full chapter, and as I suspected it was taken out of context. In Matt 16:28 obviously Jesus cannot be referring to His Second coming because He states in other places that He did not know that timing! So what are the real possibilities of His meaning for "the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom". ... taken out of context BULLSHIT! Not only are you a liar! Jesus was too!! Jesus to His disciples: ...there are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. (Mt.16:27,28) Jesus to His disciples: ...this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (Mt.24:34, See Lk.21:32) Jesus to His disciples and the crowd: ...there are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power. (Mk.9:1) Jesus to the disciples: ...there are some of those standing here who shall not taste death until they see the kingdom of God. (Lk.9:27) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Justyna Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Crazy Donna, Its not so much that people here are liars, but rather deceived by darkness and the evil one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Crazy Donna, Its not so much that people here are liars, but rather deceived by darkness and the evil one. ... No ... it is YOU who have been deceived by darkness and the evil one! After all ... god said HE made EVIL!! Isaiah 45:7 (King James Version): I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create EVIL: I the LORD do all these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Donna Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Crazy Donna, Its not so much that people here are liars, but rather deceived by darkness and the evil one. No. You are calling us liars. Don't blame your fictional satan for your own appalling behaviour. If god exists, and satan exists, and what the bible says is true about them, then as a christian, I would have had nothing to fear of satan. I would already have had the victory, do you understand? So how can he 'deceive' me? I clinged so hard to god. Satan never got an inch. I wasn't perfect, but fuckit, I was as close to perfect as a teenager could probably be. I never lied, never had sex, never fantasized. Never broke commandments. I tried so hard. It was like I was superhuman. I wanted a relationship with god a whole lot more than you could imagine. And you say I am lying about that fact if you insist that I allowed myself to be decieved by 'satan'. Your above post is a cheap attempt to backpedal away from your horrendous behaviour. You come here, accuse us of being liars, and then when we get offended, you say "Oh, you're not really liars, blame satan." Well, didn't your god create satan? Didn't he create satan to hurt us? Your god signed off on it. So your god is in on it. He lets satan do this to us because he wants us not to believe. He wants us to burn in hell? Am I right. Can't have it both ways, you lying, condescending, backpedalling piece of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunaticheathen Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I think as far as stirring up trouble and not bearing the Fruit of the Spirit goes, Jesus got angry to the point where He overturned the tables at the temple. He was radical and stirred up a lot of emotions in people. The Truth is hurtful, and it can be hard to accept (like accpeting the fact that you walked away from God and He never walked away from you). Thats a tough pill to swollow..I dealt with this already. You compared yourself to Jesus. That deserves this. Everywhere Jesus went there was chaos and trouble and people who hated Him because He spoke the Truth...He told them to repent and turn from their wicked ways etc. Sinners do not want to hear that. And you lie. And I don't think many here believe in "sin", not in the psycho Abrahamic sense, anyway. The only reason I have the right to say what I say is because I can test it against the Holy Scriptures. If a person on here says to me that God left them and that is why they themselves stopped believing I can say to them that they are either liars, misguided, or confused because He has said many times "Never will I leave you nor forsake you!" So that right there means He is right and whoever says that Jesus left them is wrong. The Bible does not lie. WE DON'T BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE This is all BLAH BLAH BLAH. The black and white-ness of the Bible makes it real simple to live by. Jesus said He will never leave you. Jesus is not a liar..so therefore that means He never left. You may not feel Him or see Him, but He is there and He sees everything and knows everything. The bolded is one of the many glaring reasons why you are so insufferably stupid. And how you piss off reasonable people. And you made it sound like Jesus is stalking me. Creepy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixentrox Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Crazy Donna, Its not so much that people here are liars, but rather deceived by darkness and the evil one. Your god as depicted in the bible is the evil one. He makes Stalin and Pol Pot look like nice, adorable people. You worshipper of disgusting evil. You are a whore for a monstrous fictional entity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Justyna Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Realist-- I do not have time to go through every single scripture you posted. So I picked one randomly. Matthew 24:34 Of course it is best to read the context as things can be taken out of context. So I am going to write out verses 32-34 for us all to see. The Parable of the Fig Tree 32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it[d] is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. Now as you can see the title of this part of the Bible is called "The Parable of the Fig Tree." I actually read the entire chapter and I do know that before this part Jesus is talking to His disciples and trying to answer their many questions about what will happen when the tributation comes the second coming etc etc etc. Here is how I understand this passage. In verse 32 Jesus talks about the stages of a fig tree. He talks about how 1. The branch becomes tender 2. The branch puts forth leaves Then He says in verse 34, "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all THESE things take place. So the question is, which "THESE THINGS" is He referring to? Well He is referring to 1. The branch of the fig tree getting tender AND 2. The branch putting forth of leaves. When THESE 2 things happen then we will know that summer is near. (Summer of course representing the end times, the second coming, the tribulation etc.) He never lied, EVER as He is incapable of doing so. That generation He was talking to (His disciples that followed Him around while He was on Earth) did see the "The branch becoming tender and the branch putting forth leaves." He never said that that generation is going to see the end times and the Second Coming, He said they would see beginnings of "Summer." And that they did. That generation saw Jesus crucified. That generation saw Him rise from the dead. That generation saw Him ascend into Heaven. That was the beginning..a.k.a the branches becoming tender and putting forth leaves. Since that happened, we know from His own mouth that "Summer" A.K.A The Second Coming, The Tribulation...etc. are near. Well the second coming is in fact near! Again we have been waiting 2,000+ years for it, but again do I have to go over how 2,000 years is nothing compared to eternity? I think not. So Jesus never lied. What He spoke of in the parable did take place and it did take place to that generation. He did not say that that generation WILL in fact see "Summer." He just said that "Summer" will be near when those things take place. And "near" is a relative term compared to eternity. Hope that helped. I am sure I can look up the rest of those scriptures and see the TRUTH and explain how Jesus never lied. I might sometime, but not right now as that would take forever to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixentrox Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Enjoy your evil, butchering, disgustingly misogynist imaginary boyfriend. ah Vix - missed you - you say it all so well. Awe, thank you. -hugs- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagnarus Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Well I did look up that scripture today and read the full chapter, and as I suspected it was taken out of context. In Matt 16:28 obviously Jesus cannot be referring to His Second coming because He states in other places that He did not know that timing! So what are the real possibilities of His meaning for "the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom". ... Just here telling people about my journey, yup, yup. That's alls I'ms doings. Not here to preach to people or anything like that. No sirry bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Justyna Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I actually never said that anyone here is a liar. If you read my posts no where do I say that anyone is a liar. I said we made choices to draw near to God and we made choices to draw away from God.And that is true. I have never said "Crazy-Donna You Are A Liar." I have never said, "Realist You Are A Liar." No where have I said that..no where. I actually was called a liar and many many many other names which I know I am not. What I said is that you are either "A liar, misguided, or confused," if you think that Jesus left you...because He never did and He never will as His Word says, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." I also said that we as people CHOOSE to believe in God or we CHOOSE not to believe in God. I said if you do not believe in Him, then it is your own fault because Scripture states clearly that "If we draw close to Him, He will draw close to us." So if we are not close to Him, then we did not draw near onto Him according to scripture. I actually never called anyone a liar. I myself was called a liar by presenting the TRUTH. I have also never called anyone here names, I have not cussed at anyone, and never once have I gotten mad or upset as some people here have. I have remained calm and presented the TRUTH which is the Gospel. ETA: Crazy-Donna A few posts up you said this that caught my eye. "Belief is not a choice" I will disagree with this because belief IS a choice. We can refuse to believe the world and accept Christ instead. That is a choice. If you do not believe me remember when He said "I lay before you life and death...CHOOSE..Life." "Life" of course is referring to Jesus Christ. He has set up life and death before us, and He says to CHOOSE Life (Himself) since He is the Truth the Light, and the Way. We can choose...we must choose. I am CHOOSING at this very moment to be on this messageboard. I can CHOOSE to leave. We have free will. It can be difficult to get a hold of your beliefs and your thoughts after they have been running around doing whatever they want (figuratively of course) but it can be done. That is why is says to "Take every thought captive." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagnarus Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 This. This pretty much sums it up, Justyna. This is why we hate you. You don't know us, or even have enough empathy to try to know us. You don't understand that we don't believe because we CAN'T believe. We CAN'T do it. Please, just do this for me. Try, for five minutes, to believe in Santa Claus. Go on, try it. Seriously. Because if you know that Santa doesn't exist, you just can't make yourself believe in him. Belief is not a choice. Belief is something your brain does when confronted with evidence. Until you understand this, you will not understand what it is like to deconvert. The world is not full of lies. The world is the only thing that makes sense. Just because we don't immediately all jump up and down and say "Yay, I'm a christian again" doesn't mean we are persecuting you. You come here and insult us so that we react like any rational human being and are offended. Yes, you insult us by calling us all liars, when you don't know any of us. Then, we react. And you go back to your little church friends with your testimony of how you are so persecuted for jesus. Personally I think we all have to realize that while many Christians understand and value things like Empathy, intellectual honesty, compassion, Justyna is not one of them, what Justyna values is believing whatever her religion tells her to believe. Arguing using Empathy, intellectual honesty, and compassion simply cannot work, because she quite simply, does not give a shit. Maybe she will learn these things later on, but I doubt we will convince her to value them here. If a christian hurts someone and they react, that is not persecution. Persecution would be if we went to YOUR website and started calling you a liar. We are not doing that. Either make an attempt to understand where we are coming from, or fuck off. If jesus existed, he would be embarrassed to call an arrogant, smug, willfully ignorant and evasive shrew like you one of his own. You are bringing nothing to this site that we haven't heard before. In fact, your arrogance is alienating the very people you are trying to convert. Great witnessing technique, idiot. Luna, you're freakin awesome. I too have been on the receiving end of rocks. They bloody hurt. Big, fist sized motherfuckers. I thought I was going to die. So I hear where you're coming from. *hugs* Shit. That's horrible. It's scary that people who think at that primitive a level still operate today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Donna Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I actually never said that anyone here is a liar. If you read my posts no where do I say that anyone is a liar. I said we made choices to draw near to God and we made choices to draw away from God.And that is true. I have never said "Crazy-Donna You Are A Liar." I have never said, "Realist You Are A Liar." No where have I said that..no where. I actually was called a liar and many many many other names which I know I am not. What I said is that you are either "A liar, misguided, or confused," if you think that Jesus left you...because He never did and He never will as His Word says, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." I also said that we as people CHOOSE to believe in God or we CHOOSE not to believe in God. I said if you do not believe in Him, then it is your own fault because Scripture states clearly that "If we draw close to Him, He will draw close to us." So if we are not close to Him, then we did not draw near onto Him according to scripture. I actually never called anyone a liar. I myself was called a liar by presenting the TRUTH. I have also never called anyone here names, I have not cussed at anyone, and never once have I gotten mad or upset as some people here have. I have remained calm and presented the TRUTH which is the Gospel. ETA: Crazy-Donna A few posts up you said this that caught my eye. "Belief is not a choice" I will disagree with this because belief IS a choice. We can refuse to believe the world and accept Christ instead. That is a choice. If you do not believe me remember when He said "I lay before you life and death...CHOOSE..Life." "Life" of course is referring to Jesus Christ. He has set up life and death before us, and He says to CHOOSE Life (Himself) since He is the Truth the Light, and the Way. We can choose...we must choose. I am CHOOSING at this very moment to be on this messageboard. I can CHOOSE to leave. We have free will. It can be difficult to get a hold of your beliefs and your thoughts after they have been running around doing whatever they want (figuratively of course) but it can be done. That is why is says to "Take every thought captive." You insist that believe is a choice. By doing so, you dismiss our claims that we did not choose to not believe. That means you are calling us liars. You don't have to actually say the words "You are liars," all you have to do is say "NO, what you're saying isn't true," and that means the same thing. Please choose to leave, then. Because you're just insulting us by calling us liars. Piss off. You say that jesus says he will not leave or forsake us, but he certainly wasn't there when I needed him. Either he's a liar, or he doesn't exist. Accept that, or fuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I think as far as stirring up trouble and not bearing the Fruit of the Spirit goes, Jesus got angry to the point where He overturned the tables at the temple. He was radical and stirred up a lot of emotions in people. The Truth is hurtful, and it can be hard to accept (like accpeting the fact that you walked away from God and He never walked away from you). Thats a tough pill to swollow..I dealt with this already. Everywhere Jesus went there was chaos and trouble and people who hated Him because He spoke the Truth...He told them to repent and turn from their wicked ways etc. Sinners do not want to hear that. The only reason I have the right to say what I say is because I can test it against the Holy Scriptures. If a person on here says to me that God left them and that is why they themselves stopped believing I can say to them that they are either liars, misguided, or confused because He has said many times "Never will I leave you nor forsake you!" So that right there means He is right and whoever says that Jesus left them is wrong. The Bible does not lie. The black and white-ness of the Bible makes it real simple to live by. Jesus said He will never leave you. Jesus is not a liar..so therefore that means He never left. You may not feel Him or see Him, but He is there and He sees everything and knows everything. You do not take people serious. That is the biggest problem. I have been back to church two years ago and tried to believe again, but this experience was disgusting. People were like you. They were judgemental and morally superior. What a self righteous bunch of whimps. I have heard the sermon and knew that this sermon was full of shit. It sounded good, but they had the same problems as your "sermons". You are just not listening to people. You put your hands over the ears and yell: "I can not hear you! God is great! I can not hear you! God is great!". You do not care about our doubts, you just ignore them and ask us to ignore them too. It is a choice? No it is not! Have you read all the answers in this thread or did you just ignore them? Take people serious and start a conversation. Stop your spiritual monolouge. We have a muslim in our village and he would be happy to convert me. He has a holy book too and he takes his belief serious. He can preach too and he is offering a nice heaven too. Why should I follow your god? As I write this I notice that I am tired. Tired of asking questions that will be ignored, tired of the xian phrases and tired of listening to your preaching. So the bible is simple? Prove17 will love you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deva Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Its not so much that people here are liars, but rather deceived by darkness and the evil one. LOL, I haven't heard one that good in a long time! Maybe you should stay around Justyna, just for the comedy. Some of us just don't get to hear this stuff in the "real world" much. On second thought, take your Bible and your judgmental and condescending self and shove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnceConvinced Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Well I did look up that scripture today and read the full chapter, and as I suspected it was taken out of context. In Matt 16:28 obviously Jesus cannot be referring to His Second coming because He states in other places that He did not know that timing! So what are the real possibilities of His meaning for "the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom". No, not taken out of context at all. You and your Christian buddies are in denial. The scriptures I quoted, Jesus does not say the exact time. He just says that it will be in the life time of those who were there at the time. You are desperately trying to turn those scriptures into something referring to the distant future. Paul believed Jesus was returning in his life time. Even if he didn't say those words himselfm, it's obvious in his writings if you read them thoroughly. He believed the end times were there and the prophecies had been fulfilled. How do you explain that? Once again you lie. This is not your words, you went to another website to get this BS from fellow Christians. You are just parrotting their delusions, their attempts to justify an unfulfilled prophecy. You did not go and study it for yoursef as you said you would. So there was no holy spirit working in you at all and here is the proof for everyone to see: http://forums.christianity.com/m_4967225/printable.htm You have been exposed as a fraud. As far as my comment about me believing that people here dont want to believe and chose not to..I will never apologize for that because I stand by it. Then you are wilfully remaining ignorant and I cannot respect that. I made a post earlier explaining how in life we have choices..well everyone knows this. Everyone here was a Chrisitian at one point or another be it one year ago or 20 years ago. We probably read the Bible, went to church, and had a relationship with Christ and other Believers. Well something happened that made that go away. Perhaps it was not a big event, perhaps it was slowly that we all stopped reading, stopped praying and stopped believing. Maybe we started to doubt and question our faith long before the deconversion actually occured as is the case with a lot of people. Maybe we started to doubt what God said in His Word and that it is real....but instead of drawing closer to Him during this time, we went with the worlds theories and CHOSE to pull away from God. Instead of reading the Word we started reading all that non sense that the world has to over. We become intrigued with that instead of believe Gods Word. So like I said we CHOSE that...we chose not to read the Bible, not to belive the Bible and God, not to go to church anymore and all the rest. That is a choice. No one chooses not to believe. That is just BS from Christians who just can't grasp the fact that it is possible for someone to generally reach a point of being unable to believe. That is the way it was for me. I loved being a Christian and I fought tooth and nail against losing my faith, but the terrible realisation was that the bible was wrong about so many things and the bible God was clearly non-existant. That is the way it was for me whether you believe it or not. So to try and insist it's not only shows me what a deluded and arrogant person you really are and that there is no wisdom and certainly no Godly knowledge in you. It shows me without a doubt there is no holy spirit. Now that I have come full circle I can see that everything that happened to me was my fault. Not Gods fault. I was mad at God for a while.. I for one have never been mad at God. You can't be mad at someone you don't believe in just as I cannot be mad at Santa for no longer bringing me gifts at Christmas and can not be mad at the fairies in my garden for planting weeds. that He allowed certain things to happen to me etc. But now I see that I made choices...and everyone who is an ex-christian made a choice to leave. The only choice made was to no longer follow the religion. This was because I was no longer able to believe in Jesus and the bible. It was because I had discovered I was delusional. You can't go back to believing a lie, it's just not possible, Just like I can't go back to believing in Santa. You say you were not able to believe anymore, but again I dont think so. What you think is irrelevent. You don't know me and you don't know how I came to this point in my life. You are just being presumptious and I can see that there is definitely no HOly spirit in you. I take full accountabilty for not being close to God..just like everyone here should. This is more Bullshit. you can't take accountability for not being close to something you don't believe in. We are only as close to God as we want to be. Once again complete bullshit, even if you look at it from a Christian perspective. I most definitely wanted to be close to God. It was a terrilbly heartbreaking thing the day I discovered that the God I had worshipped and diligently served for over 30 years of my life was simply a figment of my imagination. Yes, it was a very heartbreaking realisation that I took many years to get over. So don't give me that bullshit, because I know it's not true and so do the majority of people on this website. If we are not close to Him, we should ask ourselves how much time we are spending with Him being still and silent listening for His voice...how much time we are reading His Word etc. Its that simple real. No, it's not that simple. Spending time in the word and praying did me no good whatsoever. Sorry, but that's the simple fact of the matter. When I was not close to God, it was all my fault not His. So the fact that people here are not close to Him is really their own fault. Not according to Isaiah: Isa. 63:17 Why, O Lord, do you make us wander from your ways and harden our hearts so we do not revere you?" I think Satan has something to do with it though like I said before. Satan is no more real than Freddie Kruger. I cant tell you how many times I will set time aside to spend quality time with the Lord, but the phone rings or someone shows up at my house.....I have to make a decision that He is going to be number one in my life no matter what. So we all made choices...I stand by that. He was always my number one. Never did any good. Took me a long time to realise that he just wasn't there. Wish I'd found that out many years earlier. He never lies, He is incapable of lying, Yes he does: 2Th 2:11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, Jeremiah 20:7 O LORD, you deceived me, and I was deceived; you overpowered me and prevailed. I am ridiculed all day long; everyone mocks me. Jeremiah 4:10 Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats." And if he doesn't want to deceive, he sends others to do his dirty work for him: 1 Kings 22:20-23 20 And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?' "One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.' 22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked. " 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.' Ezekiel 14:9 And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. and His Word is true 100%. He is coming back Simply wishful thinking on your part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thackerie Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I have read everyone's comments. I was not able to comment before because I was busy. I guess it is what it is. I just shared my story, if it helps someone, then great. If not, then I can say I genuinely tried. I know there are a lot of theories out there, a lot of science, and a lot of new information. They are all great and good to know but they are not going to save you. They all lead to dead ends. I do know that for a fact now. I guess that is all I wanted to say at this point. Oh, I suspect you've been very helpful indeed ... in convincing any lurking fence-sitters who may be reading your words to ditch a religion that could produce such a self-righteous, judgmental, rude person as yourself. IF there were a Satan who wants to lead people away from Christianity, he would be very proud of having you as a spokesperson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Sorry babe you were never an ex-Christian to begin with then...good luck to you though Pretty much sums it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlerman Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I think as far as stirring up trouble and not bearing the Fruit of the Spirit goes, Jesus got angry to the point where He overturned the tables at the temple. He was radical and stirred up a lot of emotions in people. The Truth is hurtful, and it can be hard to accept (like accpeting the fact that you walked away from God and He never walked away from you). Thats a tough pill to swollow..I dealt with this already. You are not bearing fruit because you have no sense of compassion within you. I'm not saying that to hurt you. I'm not saying that because of anger or spite or any such thing. I am saying that because of compassion. I have read your words, tried to put myself into your shoes, assuming good intention, and I also see how you simply swipe away others hearts and minds because they are inconvenient to you. In that, I see you hiding in fear and blinding your heart and mind out of that. That is not a spiritual heart, not a heart of love, truth, and compassion. It is religious dogma blinded to Truth. Using Jesus overturning the moneychangers tables as an excuse for your not listening with the heart, not attempting to hear people express the truth to them, is frankly an offense to your own religious icon, to the symbol of God for you. The story of Jesus overturning the tables was not about him going into a house full of people who were unbelievers, who expressed doubts and disagreements with him about the existence or value of belief in his God; getting pissed off at them and kicking their secular books of Nietzsche, Marx, Sartre, Darwin, Einstein, etc into the fire. Which is in essence what you are doing. Instead, and mark these words well, he went into Church and attacked the religious hypocrites who take sacred rites and truths and polluted them with greed and disrespect, missing the spirit of the law for the letter of the law. Exactly as you are in not showing compassion, not listening with the heart, not being true first to yourself then to others following while claiming the name of God as sanctioning and approving of you. You used Jesus as an excuse for your immaturity, and to me if anything qualifies as sin, it's using the name of your God to justify your lack of love, your sin. Whenever you care to have a real discussion about your beliefs, if you want someone who is willing to listen and dialog (but expects the same in return), I am that person. But I suspect you won't because this isn't about something good you've found. It's about defending a religion that you're hiding behind. In other words, this isn't God, it's about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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