dario Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I was listening to the radio one morning on my way to work, to a couple of DJ's discussing pornography. The discussion was about a father who gave his 9 year old son a pornographic video for his birthday. The DJ's both agreed that this was okay because the child probably had 'needs that had to be met.' They then went on saying how they wish their fathers had given them pornography at that age. They also received phone calls from listeners who both agreed and disagreed with the situation. So my question then is this. For those of you who are not Christians(since most of you already know the christian answer to this), is this an acceptable thing, giving a child pornography? My reason for this is to see if the majority of people believe in this. If some of you do, then thats your opinion and I won't condemn you for it or say that you are wrong, I just want to take a poll. Thank you. Brian Dario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeccasStillSeeking Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Giving a child pornography? O.o ...uh.... WHAT "needs"? *nauseated* A nine year old has not pubed yet. Deliberately exposing presexual humans to explicit sexuality is child abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerise Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Um...no. Why would you assume atheists would think this is accaptable? What radio station were you listening to, dario? PervertsRUs.FM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 No. I do not think it's right. You don't have to push or guide a kid into a sexual experience. Especially not a young kid like that. First of all, I believe in following the law to my best ability. And doing this is like introducing smoking or drinking before their legal age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero of Hyrule Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 is this an acceptable thing, giving a child pornography? Absolutely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 A nine year old has not pubed yet. Deliberately exposing presexual humans to explicit sexuality is child abuse. I agree. And I even think it can cause trauma by doing it. I've spent time talking to my oldest sons about sex and porn etc. It's better to sit down and figure out together what they think, and what is right and wrong in society. Also about the dangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white_raven23 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Wouldn't be suprised if the kid didn't wish he'd gotten a copy of "Finding Nemo" instead. 9 is pretty young for that. When kids start asking questions about it (porn, not sex)......that's when you start giving them info. More like 11 to 14 years old. One problem with porn is the lack of quality due to teeny budgets and limited imaginations. I've yet to view anything that could out-do my own imagination. So personally, porn is a bit of a let-down. Of course, when I was underage and couldn't get it.....it was the most exciting thing EVER! So I think all kids should have access to porn (at their timetable, when they are ready). It only becomes a big deal when your authority figures MAKE it one by making it a no-no. It's the no-no factor that acts as the seeds of obsession. Hell, I've got GOOD porn. Namely, these books here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...=glance&s=books http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...ce&s=books&st=* http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/078...6712867-4023221 I've allowed my younger cousins to look at these. They were curious, so I let them look. Curiosity doesn't go away by trying to squelch it. Better the kids get to look at the stuff in my decent apartment, than some filthy back alley under the eye of someone looking for a victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Just because we don't have a moral code written in an old book, doesn't mean we don't have a sense of what is right and wrong. And I'm not talking about right/wrong in the moral standpoint, but what is it that you want to give your kids? If you know anything about how kids are easily affected and influenced by what we say and do, and you want your kids to grow up to be successful in life, and be happy, then your love to your kids demands that you know to do the things that will be best for them. It has nothing to do with God/Bible-Moral, but simple common sense and some knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checkmate Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I don't know about anyone else, but I'm offended at the blanket assumption from you, Dario. You've obviously assumed that NON-Christians are immoral/amoral fucks, who all desire to pervert society and children. (That IS why you've asked your question, isn't it?) Well, surprise! I'm an atheist and I have a moral compass. All without believing in god or Jesus, I CAN know it is wrong to expose CHILDREN to sex. I'm NOT a Catholic priest, y'know. I hope that answers your question. Thanks once again for the back-handed compliment/insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuroikaze Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Its something that must be taken on a case by case basis. Yes generally 9 year olds have not reached puberty yet, but children are hitting purberty at younger ages these days. Maybe its all the growth horomones we give to the animals we eat, who knows why. While I agree, deliberatly exposing a child to porn who has shown no interest in it is wrong, but perhaps the 9 year old was asking questions about sexuality. I think that people do a pretty poor job of teaching thier children about sex. On the other hand, Porn is not nessarally the best way to educate them, since its fantasy and often not much like real sex. exposing someone so young might create unreasonable expectations about sex in them, which would be bad too. In conclusion, I have no way of passing judgement on whether or not it was the right idea, because I simply don't have enough information about the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerise Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Wouldn't be suprised if the kid didn't wish he'd gotten a copy of "Finding Nemo" instead. One problem with porn is the lack of quality due to teeny budgets and limited imaginations. I've yet to view anything that could out-do my own imagination. So personally, porn is a bit of a let-down. Of course, when I was underage and couldn't get it.....it was the most exciting thing EVER! So I think all kids should have access to porn. It only becomes a big deal when your authority figures MAKE it one by making it a no-no. It's the no-no factor that acts as the seeds of obsession. Hell, I've got GOOD porn. Namely, these books here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...=glance&s=books http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...ce&s=books&st=* http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/078...6712867-4023221 I've allowed my younger cousins to look at these. They were curious, so I let them look. Curiosity doesn't go away by trying to squelch it. Better the kids get to look at the stuff in my decent apartment, than some filthy back alley under the eye of someone looking for a victim. In my opinion, a nine year old curious about sex should be sat down and talked to about sex, not given a glossy 12-page parody, or 20 minute reel of fantasy sex with all its built in stereotypes about how men and women should behave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dario Posted September 29, 2005 Author Share Posted September 29, 2005 Well, thats all I was trying to do was get some opinions. The reason is because a lot of people who were calling the radio station(all men) said that it was ok. I agree with you all that it is not okay. Is it different if the child is 15 or 16 years old? Is pornography ok for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asimov Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Giving a child pornography? O.o ...uh.... WHAT "needs"? *nauseated* A nine year old has not pubed yet. Deliberately exposing presexual humans to explicit sexuality is child abuse. Dunno about anyone else here, but I was lookin at ladies before age 9. I dont' know about needs. How would you know it was explicit sexuality? Did you see the tape the father gave his son? Do you know what it contained?? I don't, so I can't say it's right or wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerise Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Dunno about anyone else here, but I was lookin at ladies before age 9. I dont' know about needs. How would you know it was explicit sexuality? Did you see the tape the father gave his son? Do you know what it contained?? I don't, so I can't say it's right or wrong. Isn't a definition of "pornography" explicit sexuality? The DJ's said he gave the kid a porno video. Not a "here's how the body works" video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skankboy Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 No way. 9 is tooooooo young. If you're not allowed to buy it until your 18, there's probably a reason... (of course I realize kids will get ahold of it before they are 18, hell, I had a decent collection myself by that time. But come on, what kind of effect would that have on little kid?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white_raven23 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 In my opinion, a nine year old curious about sex should be sat down and talked to about sex, not given a glossy 12-page parody, or 20 minute reel of fantasy sex with all its built in stereotypes about how men and women should behave. You deleted the one paragraph from my post where I made that disctinction clear. When kids start asking questions about it (porn, not sex)......that's when you start giving them info. More like 11 to 14 years old. I'm not for replacing "The Little Mermaid" playing in the pre-schools with "Debbie Does Dallas" here. Or getting under 10 year olds to trade porn star cards instead of baseball cards. If the kid isn't personally interested......they don't need visuals of stuff they aren't curious about. And in no way should making pics and stuff available replace the NEED for "THE TALK" from a reliable authority figure (parent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuroikaze Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Well, thats all I was trying to do was get some opinions. The reason is because a lot of people who were calling the radio station(all men) said that it was ok. I agree with you all that it is not okay. Is it different if the child is 15 or 16 years old? Is pornography ok for them? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, I think by that age its probably ok...I mean lets be realistic, by 15 they have probably started mastubating, whether you like it or not. However, I point out that this should not be a substitute for talking to them. It may helpt them relieve some "Stress" but as I said before, porn is fantasy, real sex is seldome anything like it. If they develop unreasonable expectations about sex, it will be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Dario, I'm interested to know what you think the 'christian' response to your question is. I can think of a number of christians who would give very different answers - depending on their varying views about sexuality, pornography, censorship and child development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeccasStillSeeking Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Well, thats all I was trying to do was get some opinions. The reason is because a lot of people who were calling the radio station(all men) said that it was ok. I agree with you all that it is not okay. Is it different if the child is 15 or 16 years old? Is pornography ok for them? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fifteen or sixteen? Uh...well, I'd be iffy largely because porn shows such a ridiculously unrealistic view of sex, and it's no way to help your kid get a lock on their own sexuality. On the other hand, if I had a teen, they'd naturally get curious about erotic material, so I'd at least have a long talk with them about it. Sort of a "look, these girls have all had plastic surgery, this isn't realistic, etc. etc. etc., and if you want to learn more about sex than you're comfortable asking, here are some good books on it that approach it realistically...." and so on. Most kids are curious about sex. Most kids are curious about PORN at some point because, like smoking and drinking, it's a "grown up thing" and thus forbidden fruit. Still...it needs to be approached intelligently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dario Posted September 29, 2005 Author Share Posted September 29, 2005 I don't know about anyone else, but I'm offended at the blanket assumption from you, Dario. You've obviously assumed that NON-Christians are immoral/amoral fucks, who all desire to pervert society and children. (That IS why you've asked your question, isn't it?) Well, surprise! I'm an atheist and I have a moral compass. All without believing in god or Jesus, I CAN know it is wrong to expose CHILDREN to sex. I'm NOT a Catholic priest, y'know. I hope that answers your question. Thanks once again for the back-handed compliment/insult. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You're assumption is wrong Mr. Grinch. I did not assume that non-christians are immoral and out to pervert society. The truth is however, that non-christians are just as immoral as christians are. The fact is, I don't know what the opinions of non-christians are when it comes to pornography. Sure, I hear guys at the warehouse talking about it, but does society as a whole agree that pornography is ok. I surround myself with Christian men and women who try to fight away pornography because they believe it is unhealthy. All I'm trying to do is see the views of people who don't consider themselves Christians. Next time, try to get rid of the assumptions before you read 'christian' posts. One more thing. Just because you don't believe in Jesus or God and somehow still have a moral compass, does not mean that proves in the non-existence of God. Dario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeccasStillSeeking Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Dario, I'm interested to know what you think the 'christian' response to your question is. I can think of a number of christians who would give very different answers - depending on their varying views about sexuality, pornography, censorship and child development. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> *snert* The hardline Christian response to kids and sex seems to almost universally be "don't do it, don't ask about it, don't look at or read things involving it, it is sinful and bad and horrible and only for making babies after marriage. Oh, and you should always call this dirty act 'the baby dance' because it's ONLY for making babies." Then, when the completely ignorant kid goes out and fucks and gets pregnant because they don't know any better and got what little sex ed they had from their equally ignorant friends...said Fundie parents blame who? Us, mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Neil Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Well, speaking as someone who's been a chronic masturbator from childhood on, I definitely wouldn't just hand my child porn. The reason is because when I was a child, I didn't really understand why I was wacking off. I just knew that I liked it. They don't need visual aids, so why do something so creepy as to hand a nine year-old a porn mag? When kids need visual aid, they'll know where to find it. They'll start by doing it to Wonder Woman, and move on by "borrowing" the Victoria's Secret catalogues. I wouldn't explicitly expose them to porn until I felt they had a proper sex education and were mature enough to handle it. I'd say late teens. I think I would be like the dad from American Pie. Sans the humiliation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 *snert* The hardline Christian response to kids and sex seems to almost universally be "don't do it, don't ask about it, don't look at or read things involving it, it is sinful and bad and horrible and only for making babies after marriage. Oh, and you should always call this dirty act 'the baby dance' because it's ONLY for making babies." Then, when the completely ignorant kid goes out and fucks and gets pregnant because they don't know any better and got what little sex ed they had from their equally ignorant friends...said Fundie parents blame who? Us, mostly. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Certainly that describes a certain kind of hardline christian response. My experience has been that there are almost as many different approaches to the subject of sex amoungst christians as there are amoungst non christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asimov Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Isn't a definition of "pornography" explicit sexuality? The DJ's said he gave the kid a porno video. Not a "here's how the body works" video. Yes, but what is meant by explicit? Naked girls walking around? That's what a playboy video is...or rampant ass-raping fucking with cum flying everywhere??? That's what a Max Hardcore video is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dario Posted September 29, 2005 Author Share Posted September 29, 2005 Dario, I'm interested to know what you think the 'christian' response to your question is. I can think of a number of christians who would give very different answers - depending on their varying views about sexuality, pornography, censorship and child development. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ok that is fair. I shouldn't have said 'christian response' because you are right, there are different responses from different christians. In my personal opinion, I think pornography is wrong as a whole. I don't agree with the situation with the 9 year old and I wouldn't want my kids involved in pornography. But lets get something clear. I was not perfect. I was looking at my first Playboy when I was in 2nd grade. Pornography had a hold of me for a long time. It wasn't until a year or so before I met my wife that I decided 'enough was enough.' And I guess I should define pornography for you in my definition of it. I'm not just talking about Playboy magazines and things like that. I'm talking about R-rated movies that have a sex scene, or anything with nudity in it. And no, I don't consider art, such as the statue of David as pornography, so please don't bring that arguement up. I wasn't looking at porn magazines, but I would rent R-rated movies for a certain sex scene or nudity. But I'm sure you can all understand that. I'm a Christian, and if I was caught with a dirty magazine then I would have a lot of explaining to do. But if I was caught watching a movie, such as Road Trip, then I wouldn't have so much explaining to do because the sexual sin is not as evident. Do you understand? So that is what I think of pornography. I will try to take every measure in preventing my children from experiencing pornography, but ultimately it is up to my child to decide whether or not they will be involved in pornography. Even if I take every measure to keep them away from porn, they will still be able to get their hands on it. Its a fact of life. A fact that sucks in my opinion. Dario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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