Some perspectives

[D. Paul]

"There are various kinds of arts and sciences taught and learned in the schools, which are conversant about various subjects; about the works of nature in general, as philosoiphy; or the visible heavens, as astronomy; or the sea, as navigation; or the earth, as geography; or the bodyof man, as physic and anatomy; or the soul of man with regard to its natural powers and qualities, as logic and pneumatology; or about human government, as politics and jurisprudence. But one science, or kind of knowledge and doctrine, is above all the rest; as it treats concerning God and the great business of religion. Divinity is not learned as other sciences merely by the improvement of man's natural reason but is taught by God in a book full of instruction which He hath given for that end." This is a quote from Jonathan Edwards. I hesitate to make him known to you lest I subject him to your infamous vitriol, but he can stand on his own intellect and suffer no harm from you..

 

Many here readily admit they do not have all the answers, deferring to scientific progress as their hope for answers to things yet unexplained. But even with scientific progression, as Edwards says, there is no answer from science that can address the truth of Christian Divinity. However, although those here concede their own ignorance of those things "yet unexplained" they will not concede the same thing to have occurred in ages past, at least from Christians. Why chastise Calvin for believing a Copernican theory? Or for that matter, why chastise Copernicus himself? Astronomy had not yet made the discovery of the truth. But in regards to the well-established, foundational doctrines of Scripture (which science is not designed to probe), most here DO have all the answers (in their own mind). There is nothing presented they cannot thwart. There is no rendering of any passage they cannot refute or ridicule. Ours are “doctrines of the Dark Ages”; theirs have “evolved” beyond such folklore. Every point, minor or major, when argued from scripture is summarily dismissed in light of some "evidence".

 

ExChurchgoers.net you hold your form of “enlightenment“ in your newfound “freedom“ but how do you account for historical events such as the Great Awakening? Not just the revival but the long term effects in godliness that accomplished such unprecedented things; things leading to the formation of the very nation in which you find yourself!

 

Please do not launch into the tirade on the so-called “atrocities by God” after reading these next statements: The prevalent view here is that mankind in general possesses a proper perspective on the affairs of life. This is not a view I am willing to grant. I agree with Luther that unless or until one has a proper view of God he cannot have a proper view of himself. You claim to have a handle on “morality” and elevate your system of “morality” which ebbs and flows for convenience sake. Who is responsible for the abortion industry? Planned Parenthood was certainly not started by one claiming to be Christian. Margaret Sanger was an Atheistic Socialist with an agenda.

 

Many seem to think we elevate ourselves, as Christians, above others. This accusation is made by the very ones who claim to know (but have rejected) what the scriptures teach. If they truly understood what is taught, they would know that there is what is known to be “former conduct”. Why are people in Scripture exhorted to shun certain thoughts and behaviors? Greater still, HOW are they to shun them? Through some governmental educational program of “awareness week”? Are we to consider that each individual has the sense to “pull himself up by his bootstraps” and discontinue what is in his heart to practice? Surely you do not disagree with the list from Galatians 5:19-21? But the claim is that even though these are indeed “bad things” we give men credit to be able to desist! These practices exist daily and moment by moment in the world but they DID NOT and DO NOT exist as normal conduct in the Christian church! Examples are cited to the contrary such as when Webmaster uses the example of the trespasser on his porch but he will never assume that the trespasser is a God-fearing Christian. We are not afraid to walk the streets in some cities due to Christians on the loose! What fills the pages of newspapers is not crimes committed by Christians but by the ungodly. That is a fact you must deal with. Sure, there are “good“, “moral” and “nice” persons who may never darken the door of a church but the scoundrels of Enron or your local jailbird never claim to be following Christ. Throughout the centuries Christians are not the ones who become the reason for societal fears and ills. Psalm 79 and the Book of Habakkuk give answer to your accusation. If the Bible says I am born of the Spirit and you say I am not, how are you in any position to make such a definitive declaration? Scripture tells me how I know it to be and also tells me how to detect my own hypocrisy. You tell me nothing.

 

Right and Wrong? HanSolo so proudly proclaimed that he has never cheated on his wife. Who told him this was "right"? His children don't drink, smoke, do drugs etc. Who told him these things were "good or bad"? They have pledged to remain virgins until marriage. Who cares? Where did you ever get the idea that these things were "wrong"? In your world, if they so choose to take part in any of these things they are perfectly free to do so based upon their own "Freethought" system of belief. Who are you to tell them any differently? If you claim some authority over them as a parent, where did you get this supposed authority? And if, at age 12 or so, they decide to tell you they are going to participate in every "illicit" activity listed above, what reason can you possibly give to restrain them? Would you say "Now, honey, I really don't think you ought to do that because there are detrimental effects down the road that you can't yet see. I strongly urge you to reconsider."? The standard has been abandoned and then reconstructed as your own in order to exalt yourself, so why can't they abandon your standard in favor of what they deem best?

 

Freethought is touted here. Do you not realize that even "free thought" has some basis? It is pure relativism. Freethought, brought to its logical conclusion, is evident, to name just one area, in the music industry where the mind numbing mantras of Rap and Rock hedonists generate millions of dollars. Who is it that purchases in support of them? Who is to stop them? Who is even interested in squelching their influence over our youth? Who is going to say they are wrong in their lyrical and behavioral perversions? YOU? You have forfeited any right to decry their assault on decency because you have abandoned any standard, and LIKE THEM have elevated yourselves as the standard. This is what is so maddening about what I read here. Is the solution then that I not come here? No. I still deal with the effects of your way of thinking every day whether or not I purposely expose myself to them here. Just like you deal with the effects of Biblical thinking. But you see the actual difference.

Surely you've read Proverbs 1:20-33. This is God's view of men who disdain his counsel, thus it is my view as well.

 

The claim is made that you hold no regard for religion in general but the tenets of any other religion but Christianity are perfectly acceptable as long as they remain passive toward you. The claim is made that you do not attempt to sway anyone's belief as long as they do the same for you. Yet you chide, ridicule and sneer at the Christian, telling us we ought to abandon our beliefs in favor of your system of belief based upon your supposed and exalted "evidence". The fact is made perfectly plain: You desire that the whole world become as you are in order to promote and preserve your "autonomy" - a law unto yourselves - so that no one can tell you what to do. From the other side of your mouth you claim to adhere to the law. What law? The law that caters to human whim and convenience so that now it is perfectly "legal" to murder a baby inside the womb? Let the baby be born and within one minute of birth, with the umbilical cord still attached, have some lunatic run in and bash it's head in and you will be the first to cry against it, still upholding a godless law made by godless men that says it is OK to slaughter the worthless blob inside the womb for the sake of the woman's convenience alone. You have no consistent standard by which to judge anything.

 

(On the point of abortion, I've read your so-called interpretations which make the Bible read so as to make abortion a biblical concession or mandate. When one mishandles a craftsman's tool and botches a project, this does not make him a craftsman. Your bias shows at this point. You understand nothing of God.)

 

One passage of scripture 1Cor. 4:7 condemns your self-sufficient view. Why are you so easily provoked in this? Acts 5:12-14 goes beyond what you are willing to grant us. After the judgement upon Ananias and Sapphira, none dared join them "but...esteemed them highly." You have no such esteem for us. You revel in your ridicule of our supposed belief in mythology. If it were mythology, don't you think they would have recognized it and ridiculed also? They never saw a Zeus do such things.

 

The claim is made that our ministers are manipulative and dictatorial; who need to keep us “under their thumb”. Certainly the abuses of the pulpit have occurred and, conversely, you will condescend to allow for the “sincere ones” but who do you think you are to condemn faithful Pastors who are most concerned for the well-being of all? As for the congregation, those who merely attend and claim some kind of religiosity makes them no more Christian than you were when you were "in church". Who are the perverters of doctrines? To whom was your attention and embrace given to cause you to abandon sound doctrine? Why did you neglect 2Tim 15-17? It is because you are the very ones described in 2Tim 3:1-9.

 

You have no qualms at all for finding as many instances as you possibly can of the weaker ones associated with some church succumbing to the pervasive influence of pornography. You hold them high for all the world to ridicule. Pornography. Whom do you hold responsible for the production and distribution of this genre of "art" so protected by your perverted lawmakers? Christians? If you speak out against it, why and how do you do so? You are speaking against your own who is merely working out his exalted autonomy just as you have granted him. Do you exalt Hugh Hefner and all his women who spread their cunts for the camera as though they guard the bastion of morality? If adultery is an external matter only, how many of your wives will condone your possession of such material? Boys will be boys, right? But let a man become beguiled by it and have his mind infested with its ineradicable images. Then we'll let you be the ones to lobby against it when the effects hit home.

 

Does the common drunkard do so in obedience to God? Does the Alcohol Industry profess to honor God? Are your women members of MADD? Why? To stop people from gerttting drunk and hurting someone? How will you propose to squelch the deep desire to drink? Give them another dose of your philosphy/psychology or some scientific drug? What power do you possess to change the DrugLord, the PornKing or the Boozer into "decent" human beings (by what ever standard you hold as "decent"...it shifts accordingly)?

 

Yes, go ahead and look to the "religious" and decry what decadence you may find but you refuse to allow for the legitimacy of the man who, with scripture in hand in mind, sees himself as before a Holy God and falls on his face crying out "God! Be merciful to me, a sinner. Drive my sin from me!" This is not the man whom you are to fear in this world! But you paint the picture as though it is all a sham. Then you dare hold against me and cry that I don't love you as Christ would love? You hate Christ! You hate His Church! You hate His Word! He even tells you - He tells me - that if the world hates me it is because they hated Him first! But you deny this and say "We don't hate...no, we don't hate. We just look at the evidence and lovingly try to persuade people see reality. We're good. We're good." Some of you are simply more civil and sophisticated in your vile hatred but the core is still hatred.

 

So, one thing I can fault ExC.net for is your inconsistency in how you view the world. At some point you must falter. You apply a personification or a caricature of God as you prefer God to be in order to blame him and find fault with him. But that is all it is - a flawed, perverted caricature of your own making. If you view the holiness of God and rail against that, you simply show your consistent hatred but it renders every other position inconsistent from a human perspective.

 

Christian atrocities? Atheism has been far more cruel by evidences that stand as Black Monuments throughout history. How was it that Hitler's and Nazi Germany's avowed goal was to introduce paganism and root our every vestige of religion in an atheistic state. Result? Under the Marxist-Leninist state of the Soviet Union in 50 yrs over 65 million were put to death for the cause of atheism. Under Mao Tse Tung Communist China sacrificed some 70 million for the cause and spread of atheism. Pol Pot's Cambodia put to death 1.3 million. In Somalia today, the slaughter of Christians continues. Was Nero's persecution in ancient history done in the name of Christ? And yet you still have the gall to place yourself as judge over God and his history in Biblical accounts as though His own world were NOT His.

 

So, who are the godless ExC.net? They're every one of your disciples around you. They're the RapThugs and the MetalHeads They're your Skinheads who'd slice your throat in a minute. They're your arrogant politicians and legislators who are driving us toward Socialism and Anarchy, your Blessed Ideals. They have taken numerous forms in history past but are all motivated by the same thing that is in you. Spite and Malice toward the word of God and those of us who hold to it. Given just the right conditions, the eradication of our presence and influence in the world will be approved and applauded by people just like you. Am I crying "Persecution!"? No. But what mindset do you think was prevalent to create the actual historic incidences? You hold it so closely you can't even see it. Oops! I'm sorry. Anything Biblical could not possibly be historically accurate. My mistake.

[BeccasStillSeeking]

Was there any actual point to this screed, or did you just want a chance to issue a blanket condemnation of all us "evil" ex-Cs--whose stories you don't know, whose moral character varies greatly from person to person, and who certainly are not a bunch of "hateful thugs and miscreants" as you seem to think?

 

Please, please, keep yelling at us and assuming a moral high ground you don't actually possess while enjoying a nice self-indulgent bout of religious bigotry. Your presumed celestial backlighting makes you a much better target.

[crazy-tiger]

You know... I was tempted to reply, then I realised that you don't want replies, you just want to portray non-christians as mean-minded, hateful, evil little bastards who wouldn't think twice about killing someone since they have no moral compass of their own.

 

 

Well, I don't waste time on biggoted, ignorant morons...

[BeccasStillSeeking]

You know... I was tempted to reply, then I realised that you don't want replies, you just want to portray non-christians as mean-minded, hateful, evil little bastards who wouldn't think twice about killing someone since they have no moral compass of their own.

Well, I don't waste time on biggoted, ignorant morons...

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Yeah, CT, that's the thing. I read the whole bloody screed, and I couldn't find an argument in there besides "Christians are good, you guys are bad, God's gonna punish you, etc."

 

That's not an opener to a debate. This jerk's just taking a shot at us, like the drive-bys on the Letters section.

[crazy-tiger]

Yeah, CT, that's the thing. I read the whole bloody screed, and I couldn't find an argument in there besides "Christians are good, you guys are bad, God's gonna punish you, etc."

 

That's not an opener to a debate. This jerk's just taking a shot at us, like the drive-bys on the Letters section.

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That's why I so rarely post in the letters or articles sections... though reading then can be good for a laugh.

[Caretaker]

Any Gods?: The Only God there is...

 

Fuckin' A..... WHAT GOD? WHICH RELIGION?

 

There is MORE THAN ONE religion that claims its god is the only one!

[BeccasStillSeeking]

That's why I so rarely post in the letters or articles sections... though reading then can be good for a laugh.

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I stopped reading them except for when I'm feeling particularly snarky. It's always the same repetition of nasty, judgmental crap. Who needs it?

 

Anyway, meet my best rat. *squeek*

[Ouroboros]

So, who are the godless ExC.net? They're every one of your disciples around you. They're the RapThugs and the MetalHeads They're your Skinheads who'd slice your throat in a minute. They're your arrogant politicians and legislators who are driving us toward Socialism and Anarchy, your Blessed Ideals.

Huh! Really? So you say GW Bush is an ExC?

 

[Kryten]

You keep referring back to the bible as your source of all truth. It's okay, because the majority of us used to do it as well. But we've discovered it was written by man, not God. There are too many contradictions and errors for it to be divinely inspired. God could not have written such a messed up work.

 

Church history is not on your side. . .

 

Look again at Galatians 5:19-21...

19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Now look at how many different denominations who all believe in Jesus and are supposedly guided by the same holy spirit-- but all have different beliefs, many of which are mutually exclusive!! They cannot agree on how to be saved, what is a sin, what parts of the bible are to be taken literally and which do not apply!!

 

The crusades, dark ages, inquisition, and "conversion" of Central and North America do not reflect a positive light on the church.

 

We can't ever get a sign or a miracle out of God, other than the occasional gift of a hurricane to wipe out a city full of poor Christians and sinners alike. Nobody's limbs ever grow back during healing services, and children who cry out for God's help are ignored. Miracles seem to happen at the same rate that they would without a god.

 

You want to believe, so you ignore all of the clues that it all could be false. You cannot accept that your whole world is an illusion and that millions have been deceived for centuries. It IS TRUE that many people want and need a god or something to give them comfort here, and assurance that they will get something better in the next life-- so why is it so hard to believe that they could all accept the most popular religion they know about?? Other religions in other places have the same thing going for them. Do you doubt this??

 

I understand your need to mentally defend your beliefs. You don't even need to visit the Backlashes section here to know that it is a VERY hard thing to dump long-held views and become an enemy in the eyes of your loved ones.

 

So flee if you must. Think we are depraved sinners if you must. Be a good Christian if that's what you want. Whatever you need to make yourself happy.

I do not fault you.

[Ouroboros]

Ah. D.P finally got the fitting icon. Much better.

[BeccasStillSeeking]

Ah. D.P finally got the fitting icon. Much better.

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The snazzy shield-with-the-cross? For his flavor of Christianity, a charred corpse on a stake would be a more appropriate icon.

[Ouroboros]

The snazzy shield-with-the-cross? For his flavor of Christianity, a charred corpse on a stake would be a more appropriate icon.

YEAH! Or, maybe we should have a Yoni Fish symbol... (if anyone knows what I'm talking about)

[BeccasStillSeeking]

YEAH! Or, maybe we should have a Yoni Fish symbol... (if anyone knows what I'm talking about)

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We could just be obvious and suggest a stylized flaming anus....

[Ouroboros]

We could just be obvious and suggest a stylized flaming anus....

EEeewwh!

[BeccasStillSeeking]

EEeewwh! 

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I'm sorry, but some folks are BEYOND Raging Calvinist. And once you head into that territory...what else truly fits but Flaming Asshole?

[Mythra]

Anything Biblical could not possibly be historically accurate.

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Well, shit. At least you got one thing right out of all that.

[Ro-bear]

Edwards was one major league asshole. Read this and tell me he's not a prick of the first order:

 

http://www.jonathanedwards.com/sermons/Warnings/justice.htm

 

He thinks we should be grateful if his god chooses not to subject us to everlasting torment. How can someone see that as just under any circumstances. His logic is stunning. Our sins, no matter how minute, are infinite since they come against an infinite being, so our punishment should be infinite. GAAAAAA! My head is about to explode. What kind of crap was this guy on?

[Ouroboros]

He thinks we should be grateful if his god chooses not to subject us to everlasting torment. How can someone see that as just under any circumstances. His logic is stunning. Our sins, no matter how minute, are infinite since they come against an infinite being, so our punishment should be infinite. GAAAAAA! My head is about to explode. What kind of crap was this guy on?

 

If our sins are infinite and deserves infinte punishment because God is infinite, that means that every good thing we've done is infinite good also, and God has to weight two infinite sets against each other, and it means they come out equal. I guess we'll land in the nice twilight zone of Limbo instead!

[crazy-tiger]

If our sins are infinite and deserves infinte punishment because God is infinite, that means that every good thing we've done is infinite good also, and God has to weight two infinite sets against each other, and it means they come out equal. I guess we'll land in the nice twilight zone of Limbo instead!

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Come on Han... you know better than to expect logic on this subject.

 

 

 

I wonder if we could put D.Paul into the "shit-filled rectum, spewing rancid diarrhoea" group?

 

And, no... I DON'T want to imagine what the icon would be like...

[Mythra]

You hate Christ! You hate His Church! You hate His Word! He even tells you - He tells me - that if the world hates me it is because they hated Him first! But you deny this and say "We don't hate...no, we don't hate.

 

Truthfully, most of us don't hate Christ. We just find the story of him to be utterly irrelevant.

 

The only reason we poke fun at him is to see if we can get christians to get their panties all in a wad. As we can see in this thread, sometimes it works.

 

Do you think that pointing out atrocities by non-christians somehow lessens those committed by christians? Gee, there are bad people in the world who do bad things. Some are christians, some are atheists. No shit, sherlock.

 

Our point is that if there were truly any influence of the holy spirit in the life of a human being, there never would have been any atrocities committed by christians.

Want to talk about an interesting one in recent news? How bout BTK? Hell of a guy. Fine upstanding elder in a Lutheran Church.

 

ps: I can see why you like Jonathan Edwards. Your mindset is straight out of the 1700's.

[Guest bdp]

Many here readily admit they do not have all the answers

 

Having all the answers wouldn't nudge my salary one cent beyond $13/hr or lead my dearest friend to close the unimaginable gap that has opened up between us. Having 'all the answers' is a pointless proposition - Madalyn Murray Ohair may have thought all things are knowable but I don't, and I don't lose any sleep over it. Don't care at all, but the bible is myth and your 'god' unsubstantiated rumour.

 

Kyle

[Mr. Neil]

*sigh*

 

Another amateur Christian coming in trying to prove that godlessness is actually the root of all evil. Yep. It's all there. The "you hate Jesus" accusations. The Hitler cheap shot. The haughty mockery of the term "free thought". Did you actually have something to say, punk, or are you just daring us to knock that chip off your shoulder?

 

Incidentally, to make a couple corrections for you, none of us hate Jesus. You see, Jesus is a character in a book. Even if a historical Jesus existed, he certainly wasn't the figure described in the Bible. That Jesus never existed. If there was an original Jesus, we simply don't know enough about the guy to make any judgement.

 

Second, none of us actually say that nothing in the Bible can be historical. That's a strawman. You're basically lashing out when you say that. What we actually say is that the Bible fudges history. There are a lot of stories told that are meant to describe how things came to be, but they're clearly mythological, such as the creation story, Eve and the apple, the flood, the virgin birth, the miracles, etc. It's incredible that archeologists can find small civilizations and even identify individual campfires, but when six hundred thousand Isrealite soldiers follow Moses through the desert with their families, animals, looted goods, etc. etc., there is not one trace of evidence even remotely suggesting that any of this ever happened.

 

Certainly, there's history in the Bible. Just not where you want it to be.

 

And finally, atheism does not identify a specific political stance. Atheism is only identified as a non-theistic stance. Unlike Christianity, there's no doctrine of atheism.

 

And it is a gross misrepresentation to refer to Hitler as an atheist. I might grant you that he was no Christian, but that man was not an atheist.

 

Still, I find these images rather interesting...

[Brother Jeff]

There are various kinds of arts and sciences taught and learned in the schools

The Church has historically opposed science and scientific progress, and it continues to do so today.

 

or the visible heavens

Which according to the Bible is dome-shaped, solid, and has the stars stuck in it.

 

as astronomy

If the Bible is to be believed, when astronomers look through their telescopes, they should see a small, three-tiered universe featuring a Sky Kingdom where god lives, and just below that a solid dome firmament in which the stars are fixed, and below that a flat earth, and below that a flaming torture chamber. They should, of course, also see god (in his Invisible Man form) sitting somewhere on the top of the dome. Oh wait, he's invisible. Silly me.

 

or the earth

Which, according to the Bible, is flat.

 

or the bodyof man

About which we would have known a lot more a lot sooner had medical research using cadavers not been suppressed for centuries for religious reasons...

 

as physic and anatomy

About which a lot more would have been learned a lot sooner if not for the centuries of opposition of science from the Church...

 

soul of man

There is no such thing as a "soul". Souls are the stuff of myths just as gods are.

 

logic

Which, like REASON, stands in opposition to your absurd religious beliefs.

 

But one science, or kind of knowledge and doctrine, is above all the rest

In Brother Edwards' opinion...

 

God and the great business of religion

There isn't a God. Religion is Bullshit, and demonstrably so.

 

To be continued...

[Fweethawt]

This is a quote from Jonathan Edwards. I hesitate to make him known to you lest I subject him to your infamous vitriol, but he can stand on his own intellect and suffer no harm from you..

He isn't standing on anything, and he is perfectly safe from any harm. After all, he died in 1758.

 

I seriously doubt that he knows of, or feels, any part of our "infamous vitriol".

 

 

 

 

D. Paul,

 

After reading a majority of your initial post, I came to one conclusion, and one conclusion only.

 

1. You really do need to get a life.

2. You might even want to try gettin' laid.

 

Actually, that's two, isn't it?

[Brother Jeff]

Divinity is not learned

Of course divinity is learned. Children are generally taught about their culture's god and afterlife beliefs at an early age.

 

taught by God

It seems that God has a lot to learn, considering how ignorant he apparently is concerning his own creation!

 

a book full of instruction which He hath given for that end

a book full of contradictory instructions written by scientifically ignorant, mostly anonymous authors.

 

I hesitate to make him known to you lest I subject him to your infamous vitriol

Um, most of us here are probably familiar with Jonathan Edwards. We're not the ones who are ignorant of church history. What about your infamous blind faith?

 

there is no answer from science that can address the truth of Christian Divinity

Science deals with the physical world, not with alleged supernatural realms or with alleged supernatural beings for which there is no evidence. Christian Divinity is a religious assertion with no demonstrable basis in reality, not a truth.

 

Why chastise Calvin for believing a Copernican theory? Or for that matter, why chastise Copernicus himself?

We don't. The Church, however, DID.

 

Astronomy had not yet made the discovery of the truth

To which "truth" are you referring? Astronomers and astrophysicists know a great deal about the universe in which we live, which differs greatly from the universe described in the Bible.

 

most here DO have all the answers (in their own mind)

None of us here claim to have "all the answers". We've left displays of arrogance of that magnitude up to you as we generally do with Christians. We do, however, obviously know a great deal more about the Bible than you do. When presented with the facts concerning your own holy book, you have - as is typical - either ignored or denied the said inconvenient facts. What answers we do have are not just "in our minds", but are demonstrably based in reality and, for the most part at least, demonstrably accurate. The only place that your god exists is in YOUR mind.

 

To be continued...