Shyone Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 God dammit, I'm going to hell. No you're not. I had to laugh at this for a moment. He's not going there because there is no such place. Of course! It's so obvious! I was reminded of "Santa's Workshop", and he's not going there either, but he's afraid of "Satan's Workshop"! Sorry, I can be a little insensitive at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Perfect Insanity Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 You're right- it won't. My holy-roller christian upbringing will always be a part of me. But the fear DOES go away- takes longer for some people than others. It seems to me that you're in an environment that actively feeds and plays on your fears. The sooner you get the hell out of there, the sooner you can start to heal. It's more my own thoughts than the environment. Can't escape my mind, can't escape the thoughts. I never thought I would actually want to be out of my mind. I would really encourage you to do some reading. There are some good books you can download for free from project Gutenberg or manybooks.net - Superstition in All Ages by Jean Meslier or The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine are both excellent and you can download a copy right now. (regulars here are gonna get so tired of hearing me say that over and over again ;-) I hope you can shut out all the weirdness and contradictory shit you hear around you and just make a private space in your own mind to quietly and calmly work things out. I must confess something... I don't like to read. I have a hard time getting into books dealing with science because I'm just not very interested in it. I know that's no excuse, but I wish I could actually get interested in it. God dammit, I'm going to hell. No you're not. I had to laugh at this for a moment. He's not going there because there is no such place. Of course! It's so obvious! I was reminded of "Santa's Workshop", and he's not going there either, but he's afraid of "Satan's Workshop"! Sorry, I can be a little insensitive at times. No, I'm actually going to both. Santa's actually a pretty cool dude to chill with. I swear, he's real! How else would the presents get under the tree? They didn't just come out of nowhere. That proves the existence of Santa Claus! EDIT: As sad and pathetic as this is, just reading this shit about Santa set off the "zomg teh world is eeeevil" mode inside me. I've heard that in Satanism/the occult/something, a common thing they do is switch letters around.... well, have you ever noticed that "Santa" is "Satan" switched around? Seriously, if something as stupid is that puts me into paranoia mode, that proves I'm a lost cause. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Perfect Insanity Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 I now know, nothing will ever undo this damage. The fear and anxiety will never leave me completely. It has become a part of me. These beliefs will never leave me. I will always feel damned. Real Christianity is a mindfuck. Not modern Christianity, not liberal Christianity, but REAL Christianity. That word has become overused in my vocabulary, but it still has its meaning. It's true. I will always fear that my unresolved symptoms involve demon posession. I truly mean this, there is no hope left. I'm stuck like this. No matter what the truth about it really is, I will always think Christianity is true. The mindfuckingest version of it. I can't dismiss all the stories I've heard. Demons, miracles, God, I can't dismiss them. They're always in the back of my head. Maybe I should shut up about it, because I can't undo the damage that this religion has done. Then again, if I don't talk, it will bottle up and get worse. There's no answer to this. The illuminati, the occult, the "evil" world.... all these damn conspiracy theories have ruined the way I see everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Valk0010 Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 I now know, nothing will ever undo this damage. The fear and anxiety will never leave me completely. It has become a part of me. These beliefs will never leave me. I will always feel damned. Real Christianity is a mindfuck. Not modern Christianity, not liberal Christianity, but REAL Christianity. That word has become overused in my vocabulary, but it still has its meaning. It's true. I will always fear that my unresolved symptoms involve demon posession. I truly mean this, there is no hope left. I'm stuck like this. No matter what the truth about it really is, I will always think Christianity is true. The mindfuckingest version of it. I can't dismiss all the stories I've heard. Demons, miracles, God, I can't dismiss them. They're always in the back of my head. Maybe I should shut up about it, because I can't undo the damage that this religion has done. Then again, if I don't talk, it will bottle up and get worse. There's no answer to this. The illuminati, the occult, the "evil" world.... all these damn conspiracy theories have ruined the way I see everything. I am beginning to think part of you like your state of mind or at least you like the familarity of it. Grow the fuck up, it is almost like your still looking for reasons to belive. God is a dictator if this misery you endure is what he wants. What you going to be joan of arc, guess what she was nuts. Get your head out of your ass and realize your neurosis, is neurosis. Accept what you think(about evidence and philisophy against christisnity and work from there. You should form your worldview on what you know, not what you fear. I am beginning to think, your either nuts or a mental masochist. Neither of these things this site can change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagickMonkey Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 I have to move out, this much I've figured out. This apocalyptic doomsday environment doesn't help things at all. All the talk of how there's gonna be this war and that war, how the economy is gonna crash, how there will be lack of food and water, how foolish athiests are and how they have an "agenda", hearing greedy hypocritical judgmental televangelists on TV 24/7, I'm sick of it. No wonder I'm depressed. I have to move out. Or at least spend as much time away from home as possible. But there's some problems with that. For one, in the state I live in, you have to be 21 to move out, unless your parents approve of it sooner. In other words, I can't move out unless my parents let me. Unless I get married. Or if I were to run away from home. Aside from that, there's other problems. I lack many skills I need to be out on my own. I don't know if I could survive by myself as I am right now. I might could, but not well. I'd probably be without a home. I wouldn't be able to afford a place to live, and I don't know anyone I could room with and share the rent. I need a plan, and I'm gonna come up with one. Something's gotta change, dammit. Something happened earlier that set me off. I might be unable to go somewhere with a friend at the end of the summer, just because there might be a possible war somewhere in the future. And I'm not talking about the middle east, or anywhere near there. I'm sick of having to be involved in such a nutty mindset. My response? Who fucking cares if there might be a war, let me live my own goddamn life and I'll worry about that as it comes. If what you say about Mississippi law is true, then you could always sign up for military service. If military life isn't for you, just join the Air Force (no insult intended, but damn, they have dorms instead of barracks). Federal law says you can sign up at 18, so Mississippi law be damned. You'll get out of your current environment, get some training that might be useful for employment, get $$$ for college, and most importantly, be exposed to people with many different world views. I don't know what your parent's attitude is towards military service, but I know many christians have a big fat hard on for the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovemybrain Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 Dude, get some help. Your anxiety is not normal or healthy. You don't know it will always be like this. Seriously, get some counseling, before you hurt yourself or someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankStranger Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 Did you keep that appointment with the psychiatrist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shyone Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 EDIT: As sad and pathetic as this is, just reading this shit about Santa set off the "zomg teh world is eeeevil" mode inside me. I've heard that in Satanism/the occult/something, a common thing they do is switch letters around.... well, have you ever noticed that "Santa" is "Satan" switched around? Seriously, if something as stupid is that puts me into paranoia mode, that proves I'm a lost cause. Pathetic. Nope. Proves no such thing. If you had a panic attack and feared for your mother's life (or her back) after stepping on a crack, it would be the same thing. You have an obsessive problem, nothing more. Recognising it is an important step to overcoming it, but the longest journey begins with a single step. I wish I could tell you which direction to go, but I figure that you will find your way. If not, keep travelling and eventually you'll wind up where you want to be. The world is round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Perfect Insanity Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I am beginning to think part of you like your state of mind or at least you like the familarity of it. You think wrong. Grow the fuck up, it is almost like your still looking for reasons to belive. You've got that backwards. God is a dictator if this misery you endure is what he wants. What you going to be joan of arc, guess what she was nuts. Get your head out of your ass and realize your neurosis, is neurosis. Accept what you think(about evidence and philisophy against christisnity and work from there. You should form your worldview on what you know, not what you fear. I am beginning to think, your either nuts or a mental masochist. Neither of these things this site can change. So what if I'm nuts? What's your point? Haven't I admitted that before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Perfect Insanity Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 If what you say about Mississippi law is true, then you could always sign up for military service. If military life isn't for you, just join the Air Force (no insult intended, but damn, they have dorms instead of barracks). Federal law says you can sign up at 18, so Mississippi law be damned. You'll get out of your current environment, get some training that might be useful for employment, get $$$ for college, and most importantly, be exposed to people with many different world views. I don't know what your parent's attitude is towards military service, but I know many christians have a big fat hard on for the military. What exactly are you trying to say in the above bolded text? You saying I'm some wimpy punk who couldn't handle it? Dude, get some help. Your anxiety is not normal or healthy. You don't know it will always be like this. Seriously, get some counseling, before you hurt yourself or someone else. If I stay where I am mentally, it will always stay the same. Did you keep that appointment with the psychiatrist? The one I talked about having a while back? Yes. The guy ended up being a Christian who, although wasn't preachy in the brief time that I talked to him, wasn't neutral as a person in that position should be. I didn't go back a second time. Nope. Proves no such thing. If you had a panic attack and feared for your mother's life (or her back) after stepping on a crack, it would be the same thing. You have an obsessive problem, nothing more. Recognising it is an important step to overcoming it, but the longest journey begins with a single step. I wish I could tell you which direction to go, but I figure that you will find your way. If not, keep travelling and eventually you'll wind up where you want to be. The world is round. I have an obsessive problem. I admit that and state that with absolute certainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shyone Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I have an obsessive problem. I admit that and state that with absolute certainty. It would be nice if there were a simple approach to obsessive problems. Like avoiding them. Defeating them is poor answer because it requires intense focus and research, and with vague unprovable claims that is fraught with difficulties leaving you with no answers. I wish I were capable of giving you directions or assistance, but I have my own obsessions. They just don't happen to be religious and they don't bother my daily life, so I ignore them. Or rather, I tolerate them. And maybe I'm embarrassed to seek help for such trivial matters. If I listed all of my little rituals and obsessions, I fear I might be considered insane. Maybe I am. But if my obsessions interfered with my life, I would be more active in my own self-defense. I think. It's hard to know what I would do "if". "If" you are willing to take advice from someone you might think is insane, however, consider finding a therapist with whom you can relate. All obsessions aside, you are a very logical person (as I perceive you through the internet...). So you should do the logical thing. Find what works for you. Keep looking for it until you find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Perfect Insanity Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I have an obsessive problem. I admit that and state that with absolute certainty. It would be nice if there were a simple approach to obsessive problems. Like avoiding them. Defeating them is poor answer because it requires intense focus and research, and with vague unprovable claims that is fraught with difficulties leaving you with no answers. I wish I were capable of giving you directions or assistance, but I have my own obsessions. They just don't happen to be religious and they don't bother my daily life, so I ignore them. Or rather, I tolerate them. And maybe I'm embarrassed to seek help for such trivial matters. If I listed all of my little rituals and obsessions, I fear I might be considered insane. Maybe I am. But if my obsessions interfered with my life, I would be more active in my own self-defense. I think. It's hard to know what I would do "if". "If" you are willing to take advice from someone you might think is insane, however, consider finding a therapist with whom you can relate. All obsessions aside, you are a very logical person (as I perceive you through the internet...). So you should do the logical thing. Find what works for you. Keep looking for it until you find it. There must be a solution out there somewhere, whatever it is. I'll keep looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagickMonkey Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 What exactly are you trying to say in the above bolded text? You saying I'm some wimpy punk who couldn't handle it? When I said "If military life isn't for you, just join the Air Force (no insult intended, but damn, they have dorms instead of barracks).", I was trying to say that my comment wasn't intended as an insult for all the fly boys out there. I'm know there are Air Force units that are pretty hard core, but everyone knows the Air Force, in general, is more laid back than the other services. As far as you being a wimpy punk who can't handle military life in general, I have no idea. I know that military life isn't for everyone, and the Air Force might provide an option that's not so bad if you decide that being a grunt in the Marine Corps or Army, or spending months at sea in the Navy or whatever isn't for you. Of course, even the Air Force isn't for everyone. For all I know, you are Navy Seal material. I just wanted to suggest that there are a range of options if you seek military service as an escape from your current situation. Sorry for not writing my comment more clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shyone Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 What exactly are you trying to say in the above bolded text? You saying I'm some wimpy punk who couldn't handle it? When I said "If military life isn't for you, just join the Air Force (no insult intended, but damn, they have dorms instead of barracks).", I was trying to say that my comment wasn't intended as an insult for all the fly boys out there. I'm know there are Air Force units that are pretty hard core, but everyone knows the Air Force, in general, is more laid back than the other services. As far as you being a wimpy punk who can't handle military life in general, I have no idea. I know that military life isn't for everyone, and the Air Force might provide an option that's not so bad if you decide that being a grunt in the Marine Corps or Army, or spending months at sea in the Navy or whatever isn't for you. Of course, even the Air Force isn't for everyone. For all I know, you are Navy Seal material. I just wanted to suggest that there are a range of options if you seek military service as an escape from your current situation. Sorry for not writing my comment more clearly. When I was in the army, we visited a local airforce base. They were serving Lobster and Steak for lunch. Maybe that's not what they ate all the time, but it sure made an impression on me. I was particularly mindful of that episode when I was in the Arabian desert eating cold MREs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagickMonkey Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I actually ate steak and lobster at a Marine Corps chow hall ONCE!!!. Most of the time, the food was just tolerable. I remember at the SOI chow hall at Camp Pendelton, I ate a steak that was so goddammed tough and nasty. I couldn't put enough hot sauce or steak sauce to make it edible. For whatever reason, I actually liked the MRE's, so long as I had plenty of Tabasco. I'd take any Tabasco sauce off of any Marine not wanting theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shyone Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I actually ate steak and lobster at a Marine Corps chow hall ONCE!!!. Most of the time, the food was just tolerable. I remember at the SOI chow hall at Camp Pendelton, I ate a steak that was so goddammed tough and nasty. I couldn't put enough hot sauce or steak sauce to make it edible. For whatever reason, I actually liked the MRE's, so long as I had plenty of Tabasco. I'd take any Tabasco sauce off of any Marine not wanting theirs. And I'll bet you had your favorite MREs, yes? Some were pretty damned tasty. And they were pretty generous with the Tabasco sauce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagickMonkey Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Potatoes Au Rotten kicked ass with Tabasco. Ditto corned beef and hash. Every once in a rare while, I'll get a can of corned beef, and eat it cold with some tabasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Perfect Insanity Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 What exactly are you trying to say in the above bolded text? You saying I'm some wimpy punk who couldn't handle it? When I said "If military life isn't for you, just join the Air Force (no insult intended, but damn, they have dorms instead of barracks).", I was trying to say that my comment wasn't intended as an insult for all the fly boys out there. I'm know there are Air Force units that are pretty hard core, but everyone knows the Air Force, in general, is more laid back than the other services. As far as you being a wimpy punk who can't handle military life in general, I have no idea. I know that military life isn't for everyone, and the Air Force might provide an option that's not so bad if you decide that being a grunt in the Marine Corps or Army, or spending months at sea in the Navy or whatever isn't for you. Of course, even the Air Force isn't for everyone. For all I know, you are Navy Seal material. I just wanted to suggest that there are a range of options if you seek military service as an escape from your current situation. Sorry for not writing my comment more clearly. Oh. Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Perfect Insanity Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Wish I could get a fully rested sleep. I sleep enough hours, but I think this problem prevents my mind from shutting down, stressing me out too much. I wish I could keep from thinking that it's God and/or demons doing this to me, making me physically unhealthy and worn out, until I go back to religion. I'm starting to feel like that's the only place to find rest. Then again, that's probably bullshit, since religion is the cause of depression and anxiety for me. That shit is messed up, it can really fuck with your head in the wrong ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Donna Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Its called a example, for a reason. It is way different, but consider both of my posts for a second together. A natural explaination that is convulted(which is all i was trying to say by the santa example) is more likely then a supernatural one. And on miracle stories like the tatoo one you talked about(which sounds like bs on the surface anyway) where you don't have all the info. Assume natural till given good reason otherwise. See this problem i see with almost all supernatural explainations, we dont have every fact. And to me we would have to know everything to even declare a miracle. You've got to admit, if you had a tattoo that disappeared overnight, you wouldn't be thinking "that's completely natural." No. I would be thinking that the person who related this story to you was lying. It's always an option, and people who believe strongly in things will quite often tell lies to make you believe their point of view. They believe that a little lie is okay to further their cause. Or they could have left information out deliberately, or forgotten details. People are human, and they forget things. There are some things we can't explain. You need to accept that just because you can't explain it, doesn't mean there is a supernatural explanation. In fact, when you are confronted with stuff like this, you need to say explicitly to yourself, "Just because I can't explain this, doesn't mean it's supernatural." Repeat that to yourself. You're hooked on superstitious thinking, just like people get hooked on other bad habits. You need to break the habit by saying to yourself "No it's not god." Or "God doesn't exist." Or "Hell doesn't exist, there is no hell." You need to keep telling yourself this ad nauseum until you stop relying on superstitious thinking. I'm telling you this because this is something I did, and it helped me. I get a bit obsessive about checking I've locked the door when I leave the house, and sometimes I have to tell myself "You checked it, it's locked, dammit!" and not go back to check. It actually works. Don't tell me it won't because that's a cop out. It can't hurt you to try it. Sometimes I catch myself thinking like a theist and ascribing meaning to events that I actually know are random. I remind myself that there is most likely a far better explanation, and you don't need to know what it is to have a good life. You're stuck in a vicious cycle. Do yourself a favour and actively remind yourself that there is no evidence for these foolish beliefs. You keep getting sucked into these things because believing in these things and surrendering your thinking is easy. You've done it all your life and you're used to it. But it's also the lazy option. It's lazy because it takes no effort to just go along with these stupid beliefs. It takes effort to challenge them or accept that you can't explain them, and assert that there is most likely no supernatural happenings involved. If you want to stop believing in this stuff, you can help your chances. But it takes effort, not feeling sorry for yourself If you ever need any support, feel free to contact me. I'm often in the chatroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagickMonkey Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Ditto what Crazy Donna said. When there's no explanation available, it's better to understand and accept that you cannot know the truth than accept a fairy tale as its substitute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Perfect Insanity Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Its called a example, for a reason. It is way different, but consider both of my posts for a second together. A natural explaination that is convulted(which is all i was trying to say by the santa example) is more likely then a supernatural one. And on miracle stories like the tatoo one you talked about(which sounds like bs on the surface anyway) where you don't have all the info. Assume natural till given good reason otherwise. See this problem i see with almost all supernatural explainations, we dont have every fact. And to me we would have to know everything to even declare a miracle. You've got to admit, if you had a tattoo that disappeared overnight, you wouldn't be thinking "that's completely natural." No. I would be thinking that the person who related this story to you was lying. It's always an option, and people who believe strongly in things will quite often tell lies to make you believe their point of view. They believe that a little lie is okay to further their cause. Or they could have left information out deliberately, or forgotten details. People are human, and they forget things. There are some things we can't explain. You need to accept that just because you can't explain it, doesn't mean there is a supernatural explanation. In fact, when you are confronted with stuff like this, you need to say explicitly to yourself, "Just because I can't explain this, doesn't mean it's supernatural." Repeat that to yourself. You're hooked on superstitious thinking, just like people get hooked on other bad habits. You need to break the habit by saying to yourself "No it's not god." Or "God doesn't exist." Or "Hell doesn't exist, there is no hell." You need to keep telling yourself this ad nauseum until you stop relying on superstitious thinking. I'm telling you this because this is something I did, and it helped me. I get a bit obsessive about checking I've locked the door when I leave the house, and sometimes I have to tell myself "You checked it, it's locked, dammit!" and not go back to check. It actually works. Don't tell me it won't because that's a cop out. It can't hurt you to try it. Sometimes I catch myself thinking like a theist and ascribing meaning to events that I actually know are random. I remind myself that there is most likely a far better explanation, and you don't need to know what it is to have a good life. You're stuck in a vicious cycle. Do yourself a favour and actively remind yourself that there is no evidence for these foolish beliefs. You keep getting sucked into these things because believing in these things and surrendering your thinking is easy. You've done it all your life and you're used to it. But it's also the lazy option. It's lazy because it takes no effort to just go along with these stupid beliefs. It takes effort to challenge them or accept that you can't explain them, and assert that there is most likely no supernatural happenings involved. If you want to stop believing in this stuff, you can help your chances. But it takes effort, not feeling sorry for yourself If you ever need any support, feel free to contact me. I'm often in the chatroom. What I meant was, if YOU (or whoever else is reading this) had that happen to you, you probably wouldn't be thinking it was normal and natural. But I doubt this guy was lying, because he showed before and after pictures. It's funny, when I was a Christian, I could never even sit through an alter call. Nothing I did was ever good enough. I was always an evil worthless piece of shit. I could never get that assurance of salvation no matter what I did, and I didn't understand why. Now I know. It has nothing to do with conviction from the Holy Spirit. It's all in the mind. All about how the preacher tries to psychologically mess with your head in all the right ways, that those sensetive and weak minded enough will buy into it. They can't sell you their product until they convince you that you have to have it, right? Now that I know I have OCD, it all makes sense. That's all it ever was. Now that I don't consider myself a Christian, I can sit through an alter call. I can also see through the lies that the preacher is saying. I'm not saying everything they're saying is a lie, but a lot of it is, no doubt. Hell, half the crap they teach isn't even biblical anyway. Funny how things work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagickMonkey Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Well, a lie is an intentional attempt at deception. I think most preachers believe the bullshit they are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shyone Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 What I meant was, if YOU (or whoever else is reading this) had that happen to you, you probably wouldn't be thinking it was normal and natural. But I doubt this guy was lying, because he showed before and after pictures. It's funny, when I was a Christian, I could never even sit through an alter call. Nothing I did was ever good enough. I was always an evil worthless piece of shit. I could never get that assurance of salvation no matter what I did, and I didn't understand why. Now I know. It has nothing to do with conviction from the Holy Spirit. It's all in the mind. All about how the preacher tries to psychologically mess with your head in all the right ways, that those sensetive and weak minded enough will buy into it. They can't sell you their product until they convince you that you have to have it, right? Now that I know I have OCD, it all makes sense. That's all it ever was. Now that I don't consider myself a Christian, I can sit through an alter call. I can also see through the lies that the preacher is saying. I'm not saying everything they're saying is a lie, but a lot of it is, no doubt. Hell, half the crap they teach isn't even biblical anyway. Funny how things work. Forgive me for dwelling on the tattoo, but it does raise some questions: 1. How do you know it was a permanent tattoo? Could it have been a temporary tattoo? 2. Can you be sure that the tattoo was on the same person as the after picture? (face?) 3. Can you verify that the after shot was taken after the tattoo picture? Also, can you verify that he actually got the tattoo? I mean, have you gone with him to the tattoo parlor to ask the artist to verify that he did the tattoo on your friend? Pardon my naturally suspicious nature, but I even wonder about auto commercials where they are advertising accident repair. I suspect the repair job was photographed "before" the accident happened. The results would "look like new." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Pardon my naturally suspicious nature, but I even wonder about auto commercials where they are advertising accident repair. I suspect the repair job was photographed "before" the accident happened. The results would "look like new." And today, with the extreme magical powers of Photoshop, anything can be made to look whatever way we want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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