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Pardon my sudden intrusion with this crap but I'm a little pissed off and needed to 'share'.

Read this....Online postings describe struggle with sexual urges

 

By Mike Carter, Michael Ko and Jonathan Martin

Seattle Times staff reporters

 

 

 

 

Police say a Pierce County foster dad charged with molesting and photographing young boys in his care posted messages in an Internet newsgroup catering to Christian pedophiles, saying he struggled "minute by minute" with his urges and describing himself as a "boylover that has devoted my life to boys and introducing the love of Christ to them."

 

Tacoma Police Detective Richard Voce yesterday confirmed that 41-year-old Ronald Harold Young used the Internet identity "Homeanon" to write of his battle with his sexual urges for children, and counseled other struggling pedophiles in a "Christian" forum on religion and their pedophilia.

 

Young also used that identity to post dozens of pornographic photographs in another pedophile-oriented newsgroup, police said. Many of the pictures were of his foster children, and some were so graphic that they offended others in the group.

 

Young, a licensed foster parent, was arrested last week at his house in Home, on the Key Peninsula, and has been charged with 30 counts of first-degree child rape, eight counts of sexual exploitation of a minor and six counts of first-degree child molestation.

 

Voce said detectives believe the pseudonym Homeanon refers to Young's residence in Home, as well as his desire to remain anonymous.

 

 

A newsgroup is a discussion forum on the Internet in which people post messages and respond to messages posted by others. Most newsgroups, also known as electronic bulletin boards, address just one topic, such as a hobby or a specific health issue. Participants can also share files, such as photographs, with others in the newsgroup. There are tens of thousands of newsgroups on the Internet on just about every topic imaginable. Newsgroups differ from chat rooms in that chatrooms are discussions between people in "real time."

 

 

 

According to some members of his family, Young became "super-religious" in recent years, right around the time he applied for and received a foster-parent license from the Department of Social and Health Services.

 

On Dec. 1, 2003, Homeanon joined a debate in a "Christian" pedophile newsgroup over whether there is biblical justification for pedophilia or homosexuality.

 

"Married for over 20 years, I still find boys attractive in a lustful way and can only remove those thoughts with praises to our loving God," he wrote. He concluded, after a lengthy analysis, that "homosexual desire is unnatural because it causes a man to abandon the natural sexual compliment God has ordained for him — a woman."

 

In another posting Jan. 16, Homeanon responded to a pedophile who opined that a man who has sexual urges for children should confront his temptations.

 

"I do not think an alcoholic should hang out in a bar, a boylover probably should not take on a Boy Scout troop without examining his true motives," Homeanon wrote.

 

Charging papers state that the first pornographic photos of some of the six foster children in Young's care — clearly showing a sex act — were posted to the Internet by Young under another identity, "fosterdad," on Sept. 10, 2003, more than two months before he posted his missive on the Christian forum.

 

On Sept. 16, 2003, Homeanon appeared in another newsgroup that caters to pedophiles.

 

A few days later, he wondered in that newsgroup "how safe is this. to post or not to post. That is my dilema. Much to lose."

 

About every six weeks, Homeanon posted a series of photographs, some with a theme and many of sex acts between men and boys, or other degrading acts involving children.

 

In several of the postings, Homeanon wrote that he hadn't taken the pictures.

 

"Please note that I have only posted these Beautiful pictures and that I DO NOT know these boys," he wrote Dec. 2, 2003.

 

The charges against Young state that police have recovered the camera that took the photographs and have identified Young and some of the foster children in the photographs.

 

Homeanon's appearance in one group created quite a stir. While many of its members urged him to keep posting new photographs, a few took offense at some of the more graphic photographs.

 

In a posting in February, one group member complained about a photograph that appeared sadistic.

 

"I posted that pic," responded Homeanon, who added that the "photographer would NEVER hurt this boy."

 

Voce, the Tacoma detective, said Young "may be telling the truth" about a longtime battle with sexual urges. Homeanon and the photographs appeared late last summer, Voce said.

 

Young, he said, found solace in the pedophile newsgroups. "It's common that people like this will seek validation. And what better place to find it than among those with similar likes and dislikes?" he said.

 

Richard Packard, the president of the Washington state chapter of the Association for the Treatment of Sexual Abusers, reviewed some of Homeanon's writings. He said the use of religious language shows an attempt to create a moral justification for behavior Young knew to be wrong.

 

"To me, it's indicative that there is a struggle and an awareness of the wrongfulness. His use of the term 'boylover' is a frequently used term among homosexual pedophiles to pasteurize their behavior, to turn it into something that's kinda nice," he said.

 

Efforts to treat offenders rise or fall on their willingness to abandon the religious moralization, Packard said.

 

DSHS spokeswoman Kathy Spears said the agency would not comment on Young's case or release records until the conclusion of police and DSHS investigations, which could take several weeks.

 

Spears said DSHS does not have the manpower to monitor Internet activity in its 6,300 licensed foster homes.

 

Meanwhile, records show that Ronald Young's stepfather was involved in a child-molestation case in 1989. Harold Young pleaded guilty to two counts of child rape in Skagit County Superior Court and was sentenced to two years and 10 months in prison.

 

Police and prosecutors said Harold Young raped his two step-granddaughters (the children of Ronald Young's older sister) between January 1988 and January 1989, when the girls were 11 and 7 years old. At the time, Harold Young and his wife were managing the Skagit Valley Mobile Manor, a mobile-home park.

 

"He used his status as a grandfather and then scared my daughters with his threats if they told me or anyone else," the girls' mother wrote in a statement filed with the Skagit County prosecuting attorney in December 1989. "It has left a lasting effect on me and both my daughters. They will have to grow up with this haunting them, and I feel it will keep them from leading a normal adult life when it comes to marriage and children."

 

Roy Jamison, who has lived at the Mount Vernon mobile-home park for 17 years, said that he knew the Youngs and that Ronald took over as manager at the park for a couple of years after Harold was arrested.

 

Ronald Young's mother, who lives in Alabama, said her husband's case has "nothing to do with Ronald."

 

Seattle Times staff reporter Christine Willmsen contributed to this report. Mike Carter: 206-464-3706 or mcarter@seattletimes.com

 

 

at.......archival news story

 

and then get a load of the forum...http://www.cblf.org/...........its still in operation.

 

(will that link work I wonder?)Christian boylove forum Its called "Christian boylove forum"

 

What is it with cristians and sex? There are too many 'Nasty' types like this gettting their jollies at church.

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Regardless of Christianity, Man-boy love has been going on for thousands of years. It has nothing to do with religion itself.

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Regardless of Christianity, Man-boy love has been going on for thousands of years.  It has nothing to do with religion itself.

 

That may well be.....however isn't the topic of boylove a cultural thing as well....and in this time and in this culture its a crime to have sex with children.

 

no matter ....I not reading the article that way. I'm concerned bout pedophiles and how gathering together is perhaps a great way for the authorities to catch the bastards.

 

I'm also interested how 'sexual urges' are influenced by christianity........from what I gather, the environment of christianity proves pedophiles that certain 'when in Rome feeling'.....ok...sarcasm aside.....it seems that the guy mentioned in the article 'loved' in a special way that doesn't concern itself with the effects it has on their victims.

 

He 'loved' them so much he invited god into it and made it a threesome.

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That may well be.....however isn't the topic of boylove a cultural thing as well.

 

No, not really. Even Christian culture condemns pedophilia.

 

I'm also interested how 'sexual urges' are influenced by christianity........from what I gather, the environment of christianity proves pedophiles that certain 'when in Rome feeling'.....ok...sarcasm aside.....it seems that the guy mentioned in the article 'loved' in a special way that doesn't concern itself with the effects it has on their victims.

 

Um, Christianity generally suppresses sexual urges.

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No, not really. Even Christian culture condemns pedophilia.

 

No it doesn't.......it has condoned it....for centuries

 

It is written....thou shall abuse children

 

(but i didn't pay for the full 20min agrument)

 

Oh (forgetful me) if xianity 'supresses' it then its not doing a bloody good job.

xians have a little problem in that area....chuckle....

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No it doesn't.......it has condoned it....for centuries

It is written....thou shall abuse children

 

I'd like you to provide me with a quote anywhere in the bible which states that we should abuse children.

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It hasn't been an issue the Church dealt with until the last 100-150 years (or maybe less). Before that not even society really cared about child abuse or pedophilia. It's extremely new as an issue. The same as homosexuality was mostly taboo and not talked about.

 

The last 50-100 years have had an explosion in laws and regulations, which also have affected our view on moral and ethics. And the Church have followed suite (sometimes willingly sometimes reluctant).

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I'd like you to provide me with a quote anywhere in the bible which states that we should abuse children. 

It's somewhere in the NT. Hebrew I think. "Don't spare the child with the rod, unless he'll be damned" or whatever... But it doesn't condone pedophilia. Besides that Isaac supposedly married a 12 years old Rebecca. (IIRC)

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I'd like you to provide me with a quote anywhere in the bible which states that we should abuse children. 

 

Just one?

 

Ok.....Quotes web site Flogging for God....The Bible, Allen said, gives parents the authority to "whip" their children.

 

"We believe in corporal punishment for unruly children," Allen said. "If something is reported in here, the parent saying they cannot handle the child, then I suggest they give the child a whipping."

 

"That's right," members of the congregation murmured.

 

 

 

Haven't you ever had the 'devil' beaten out of you?

 

I changed my mind about finding a bible verse....the important factor in fundie type churches is that they make it up as they wish anyway. The pastor gets to say how the children in the congregations are brought up and if he happens to be the old 'spoil the rod' type of guy thats the message he will pass on.

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Yet another article close to home for me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heh.... At least I am on the right side of the river.......

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... But it doesn't condone pedophilia. Besides that Isaac supposedly married a 12 years old Rebecca. (IIRC)

 

Well I suppose it depends on your definition of whats sex with children is.....

if its ok because its your Dad or if you marry the kid? <insert chuckle>

 

Here's Genisis....

 

Lot and his daughters camp out in a cave for a while. The daughters get their "just and righteous" father drunk, and have sexual intercourse with him, and each conceives and bears a son (wouldn't you know it!). Just another wholesome family values Bible story. 19:30-38

 

Its probably the girls fault <sarcasm>

 

Ah...

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I don't think the rod they whipping the kids with is someones cock.

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I don't think the rod they whipping the kids with is someones cock.

Oh. So the rod isn't the same as the snake, willy, monkey or the pole?

 

I always thought it mean Rod (like in Rodney)... Then it for sure would've been a verse for pedophiles! :grin:

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I don't think 'man-boy love' is healthy for the boys involved, whether or not the men find it 'beautiful' isn't the issue.

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Regardless of Christianity, Man-boy love has been going on for thousands of years.  It has nothing to do with religion itself.

 

:vent::vent: Oh boy!!

 

Even though the church looks down on the behavior, they do a lot to cover it up. They feel as if it is a spiritual issue and "just another thing they need to be delivered from" as opposed to being illegal. They tell the victim that they must forgive and deal with it. They tell the victim that "because God forgave and forgot, it never happened". If he perp is high enough in he church, they will turn a blind eye, or blame the victim as will as help the perp to keep it quiet. If there had only been one "minister" or one "church" then I would agree with you; but as there were many different churches and many different "ministers", then I must strongly disagree. My experience tells a different story.

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I changed my mind about finding a bible verse....the important factor in fundie type churches is that they make it up as they wish anyway. The pastor gets to say how the children in the congregations are brought up and if he happens to be the old 'spoil the rod' type of guy thats the message he will pass on.

 

That is not having sex with your child if you use correctional punishment such as spanking or hitting them with a rod. I think it's wrong and I would never do it, but it's not pedophilia.

 

Here's Genisis....

 

Lot and his daughters camp out in a cave for a while. The daughters get their "just and righteous" father drunk, and have sexual intercourse with him, and each conceives and bears a son (wouldn't you know it!). Just another wholesome family values Bible story. 19:30-38

Its probably the girls fault <sarcasm>

 

In this case, yes, it was the girls fault. Read the fucking verse.

 

31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father."

 

So please, provide a bible verse that condones pedophilia.

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:vent:   :vent:   Oh boy!!

 

Even though the church looks down on the behavior, they do a lot to cover it up. They feel as if it is a spiritual issue and "just another thing they need to be delivered  from" as opposed to being illegal. They tell the victim that they must forgive and deal with it. They tell the victim that "because God forgave and forgot, it never happened". If he perp is high enough in he church, they will turn a blind eye, or blame the victim as will as help the perp to keep it quiet. If there had only been one "minister" or one "church" then I would agree with you; but as there were many different churches and many different "ministers", then I must strongly disagree. My experience tells a different story.

 

That's the catholic church, and they have rules fairly different from anything in the bible.

 

snookums claimed that the bible condones pedophilia, I disagree.

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NO it wasn't the catholic church. It was your everyday fundies. Both AOG's and WOF's.

 

What would you call it when they tell you that it never happened because god forgave him and doesn't even remember? I call that condoning it.

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NO it wasn't the catholic church. It was your everyday fundies. Both AOG's and WOF's.

 

What would you call it when they tell you that it never happened because god forgave him and doesn't even remember? I call that condoning it.

 

 

a midnight star....just because specific people within certain denominations or within certain churches cover it up does not mean that the religion condones it.

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OK, would it be fair then to say that they cover it up and believe that they can solve the problem with prayer as opposed to calling the authorities? Or that even though the might not condone it, they keep it quiet within the church? Or even that they victimize the victims further, by making the experiences non-existant?

 

My point is only that even though they do say that it is evil, wrong, demonic, and against god, they actually help the perps by their actions.

 

I am not trying to give you are hard time, really I am not. I enjoy the "debates" we have. This is just a subject that is very close to home and I do reconize that my thoughts on the matter are through colored filters. I just can't help but to think and wonder; how many others have gone through this and went to the church leaders for help, just to see them take the side of the perps? I can not tell you how that makes me feel. It is past mad but not quite fury, past sad but not cry your eyes out type of feelings.

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I am not trying to give you are hard time, really I am not. I enjoy the "debates" we have. This is just a subject that is very close to home and I do reconize that my thoughts on the matter are through colored filters. I just can't help but to think and wonder; how many others have gone through this and went to the church leaders for help, just to see them take the side of the perps? I can not tell you how that makes me feel. It is past mad but not quite fury, past sad but not cry your eyes out type of feelings.

 

Well then let's get a few things outta the way here, so you know what's going on.

 

Yes, what happened is terrible. Yes, the man should be punished, and so should anyone who abuses children. Yes, this hits close to home for me too. I wasn't sexually abused as a kid, but my mom was and she suffered depression for decades until she took her own life.

 

No, I am not condoning what they have done. I do not think that Christianity condones pedophilia, and am patiently waiting for snookums to provide a quote to support his position. I'm on your side, a midnight star...I just don't want people to bash a religion using lies. It's Hovind-esque and there are a plentitude of things that show the religion is wrong anyways, without resorting to this kind of libel.

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I can tell you from experience (no - not about panting after young boys... that shit's just demented ) If I was that tweaked, I'd ask to be castrated.

 

But -

 

extreme sexual repression = extreme sexual obsession.

 

 

just another reason I'm glad I left the cult.

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Well then let's get a few things outta the way here, so you know what's going on.

 

Yes, what happened is terrible.  Yes, the man should be punished, and so should anyone who abuses children.  Yes, this hits close to home for me too.  I wasn't sexually abused as a kid, but my mom was and she suffered depression for decades until she took her own life.

 

Crap!! I am sorry, if I had known that this was the reason, I would not have pushed so hard. I apologize.

 

No, I am not condoning what they have done.  I do not think that Christianity condones pedophilia, and am patiently waiting for snookums to provide a quote to support his position.  I'm on your side, a midnight star...I just don't want people to bash a religion using lies.  It's Hovind-esque and there are a plentitude of things that show the religion is wrong anyways, without resorting to this kind of libel.

 

Fair enough!!

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I didn't mean to put you on a guilt trip....I just didn't want you to think I wasn't sensitive to what's going on, or that I didn't know what I was talking about...so don't worry or feel bad.

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I know. It's cool. I am just trying to find the line between being honest and straight forward; and being an overbearing, insenstive bitch.

 

Thank you for understanding!

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