Why Does God Create Sub Standard Souls?

[Greatest I am]

Why does God create sub standard souls?

 

In the beginning, God judged his creations good. Gen 1; 31

 

Scripture says that God is perfect and that his works are as well. Matt 5; 48, Deu 32; 4

Many do not think that things are particularly good or perfect yet scripture says they must be. Matt 7; 18

 

You will likely agree with those who say that there is more evil than good in the world. I tend to disagree but few see things as I do.

Many think that things are bad but that they are going exactly the way God wants and if you are in this camp, I thank you for your opinion and discard it as quite illogical.

 

In fact, if you look at the system God created from afar, you would have to say, if theist opinion is true, that God has screwed up fairly badly because more of the souls he is reported to love, go to hell rather than heaven. You might also wonder why God could not control heaven when only the angels were there and why he also lost control of the earth and had to use genocide on man in Noah’s day. God, after all, is supposed to be master of all, yet things do not go his way.

 

This observation of our system being corrupted, that you likely see, contradicts scripture and God’s judgment of good, which is upgraded to perfect. Deu 32; 4

 

The logic trail of the scriptures quoted says that the initial perfection or good that God created will maintain itself in that condition and pass it up over time. It cannot backslide.

 

It happens that some have asked themselves this before. A group of Jews whose culture was instrumental in shaping Christian belief. Scripture is based on their theories of God. I do not know if you would give them regard for a higher insight because of that but I give you this link to help jog the mind. I would not call it entertaining so much as enlightening. In fact, if you are not disturbed by it you will not likely be able to contribute a sound answer to this post. Unfortunately, I do not have the complete series but I do have the pertinent part. They found that God was guilty of abandoning them.

It appears that God has also abandoned the rest of us.

 

 

For those who think that God should not be judged, I offer this.

 

 

Adults can and should judge God’s performance.

 

As bad as things were for the Jews in the holocaust, I would remind you that about 16,000 of us starve to death daily while God, as in WWII, does nothing. This about equals in one year the number of Jews that were exterminated. We have been losing that many for some years now.

 

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Who is correct?

 

God, who judged all things good or perfect.

 

Or.

 

Most theists, who think that things are not good or perfect and that they will not get better till end time.

 

As a bonus question, why can God not produce one obviously good man without pestering a virgin and why does he keep producing sub standard souls or does he make them as perfect as scripture says?

 

Regards

DL

[Guest I Love Dog]

The scriptures are a load of nonsensical recycled myths, stories and anecdotes. There's no reason to take any of it seriously.

 

All of your points about god lead one to easily assume that there is no god, so why bother troubling your mind and those of others? It appears quite obvious that if there is a god then that god cares little for humanity.

[buffettphan]

Why does God create sub standard souls?

By his creation of human beings aka substandard souls, he gave himself the gift of a group of convenient scapegoats to punish for being exactly as he created them -- human. Call it God's Chosen Method of getting his sadistic, divine rocks off. Good thing he's not real, but what does that say about the authors of the buybull?

[OpheliaGinger]

The theist response is that God never produces anything substandard, but with an intent. He is either testing our faith, punishing us, or giving us a moral lesson.

[Greatest I am]

The scriptures are a load of nonsensical recycled myths, stories and anecdotes. There's no reason to take any of it seriously.

 

All of your points about god lead one to easily assume that there is no god, so why bother troubling your mind and those of others? It appears quite obvious that if there is a god then that god cares little for humanity.

 

I agree. That is part of the reason I do what I do.

The other part is to encourage those who recognize this to pass on that bit of wisdom.

 

It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are Religionists.

They all hurt their parent religions and everyone else who has a belief. They make us all into laughing stocks and should rethink their position. There is a Godhead but not the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution. Belief in fantasy is evil.

 

African witches and Jesus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI&feature=related

 

Jesus Camp 1of 9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOqGhcwwE1s

 

For evil to grow my friend, all good people need do is nothing.

Fight them when you can.

 

Regards

DL

[Overcame Faith]

The video about the children being accused of being witches and then being cruelly "exorcised" is horrifying.

[Greatest I am]

Why does God create sub standard souls?

By his creation of human beings aka substandard souls, he gave himself the gift of a group of convenient scapegoats to punish for being exactly as he created them -- human. Call it God's Chosen Method of getting his sadistic, divine rocks off. Good thing he's not real, but what does that say about the authors of the buybull?

 

Perhaps, if I am right, it was just job creation.

 

I will have to split the post I am working on but take a look and see if you agree.

 

A compelling story.

 

 

Add that to this. Wait till minute 5 + for the good stuff on myths and ignore the fear mongering of the LHC.

 

 

 

Please see the next post.

[Greatest I am]

Now if you understand how some of the religious myths began, this next one give chapter two so to speak.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnvEHObMMH4

 

Couple that with what is said about temples here and the story is quite compelling.

 

 

Please see the next post.

[Greatest I am]

You might now see that temples and priests were there for make work and progress on both spiritual matters and scientific maters.

 

Let me state that the Bible is a good book of wisdom and literature. That is all IMO.

If you still have some notion that the Bible should literally and historically be believed and is not just a consolidation of older beliefs then watch this.

 

 

Regards

DL

[Greatest I am]

The video about the children being accused of being witches and then being cruelly "exorcised" is horrifying.

 

Yes it is. That is why I fight against literalism and fundamentalism.

 

Regards

DL

[Greatest I am]

The theist response is that God never produces anything substandard, but with an intent. He is either testing our faith, punishing us, or giving us a moral lesson.

 

Yes. A very I D.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNiTsYCkyI8&feature=more_related

 

Regards

DL

[BrotherJosh]

Neil deGrasse Tyson is awesome, I haven't seen that video for awhile! I'm reading "A History of God" right now by Karen Armstrong really interesting to see how the concept or idea of god has changed over time to suit people's needs. Early versions of god/s don't match up with people's concept of god today. So even like how Abraham (if he existed) related with or viewed god is completely different than how xtians do now.

[Greatest I am]

Neil deGrasse Tyson is awesome, I haven't seen that video for awhile! I'm reading "A History of God" right now by Karen Armstrong really interesting to see how the concept or idea of god has changed over time to suit people's needs. Early versions of god/s don't match up with people's concept of god today. So even like how Abraham (if he existed) related with or viewed god is completely different than how xtians do now.

 

For sure. Even archetypal Jesus complained when Moses changed the divorce laws from let no man put asunder by adding exceptions. First for unfaithfulness and Christianity added more later for damn near any reason.

 

Regards

DL

[★ Citsonga ★]

Why does God create sub standard souls?

 

Romans 9

[21] Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

[22] What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

[23] And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

[24] Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

 

 

[/bullshit]

[Guest end3]

Why not choose increased compassion for those suffering birth defects as an example rather than using it to berate believers? Do that not make you somewhat equal in perpitration to the literal or religious fundamentalists? The choice still seems like what are you going to do with the situation.......use it for good or bad.

[★ Citsonga ★]

Why not choose increased compassion for those suffering birth defects as an example rather than using it to berate believers? Do that not make you somewhat equal in perpitration to the literal or religious fundamentalists? The choice still seems like what are you going to do with the situation.......use it for good or bad.

 

Don't assume that discussing the issue in relation to religion automatically means that we lack compassion. Calling out religious nonsense and lacking compassion are NOT the same thing.

[Guest end3]

Why not choose increased compassion for those suffering birth defects as an example rather than using it to berate believers? Do that not make you somewhat equal in perpitration to the literal or religious fundamentalists? The choice still seems like what are you going to do with the situation.......use it for good or bad.

 

Don't assume that discussing the issue in relation to religion automatically means that we lack compassion. Calling out religious nonsense and lacking compassion are NOT the same thing.

 

The words you type have no affect on people?

[Greatest I am]

Why does God create sub standard souls?

 

Romans 9

[21] Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

[22] What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

[23] And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

[24] Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

 

 

[/bullshit]

 

I agree.

 

Regards

DL

[Greatest I am]

Why not choose increased compassion for those suffering birth defects as an example rather than using it to berate believers? Do that not make you somewhat equal in perpitration to the literal or religious fundamentalists? The choice still seems like what are you going to do with the situation.......use it for good or bad.

 

Don't assume that discussing the issue in relation to religion automatically means that we lack compassion. Calling out religious nonsense and lacking compassion are NOT the same thing.

 

The words you type have no affect on people?

 

If not, what does that say about yours or mine?

 

Regards

DL

[★ Citsonga ★]

Why not choose increased compassion for those suffering birth defects as an example rather than using it to berate believers? Do that not make you somewhat equal in perpitration to the literal or religious fundamentalists? The choice still seems like what are you going to do with the situation.......use it for good or bad.

 

Don't assume that discussing the issue in relation to religion automatically means that we lack compassion. Calling out religious nonsense and lacking compassion are NOT the same thing.

 

The words you type have no affect on people?

 

Not with most, though maybe with some. But what does that matter anyway? The fact is that the bible is bullshit, christianity is bullshit, and that's that. I don't lack compassion on people because of it. In fact, I am sincerely concerned about how people are so blinded by nonsense. And I do care for people in need, and I certainly wish that things could be made better for them, and I have helped where I could. That does not, in ANY way, shape or form, change the fact that christianity is bullshit, nor vice versa. They are two completely different issues.

[Crazy Donna]

Why not choose increased compassion for those suffering birth defects as an example rather than using it to berate believers? Do that not make you somewhat equal in perpitration to the literal or religious fundamentalists? The choice still seems like what are you going to do with the situation.......use it for good or bad.

Are you somehow trying to argue that it is a good thing that someone is born suffers a birth defect, because it means others get to have compassion for them? What about the poor bastard with the birth defect? Not only do they have a birth defect, but their existence is only so other people can practice being compassionate? What kind of a life is that?

 

Your god is a sick monster. By your reasoning, people with birth defects are just disposable tools for the benefit of others, with no inherent value of their own. Otherwise, they'd be born with the ability to reach their full potential, not be held back by a birth defect. So your god intended them to be second grade human beings, or he would have allowed them to be born without a defect, so they could enjoy their life to the fullest potential?

 

WIthout god, I can have absolute compassion for another human being, because I don't have to work out why god is punishing them by giving them a birth defect. I don't have to look for a reason for why god would do that. I just have to love the person.

[Eugene39]

Without god, I can have absolute compassion for another human being, because I don't have to work out why god is punishing them by giving them a birth defect. I don't have to look for a reason for why god would do that. I just have to love the person.

 

Now that makes sense. Religion seemingly exists to explain away things that some people don't understand. People should just read their science book and understand that mistakes happen in the reproductive process sometimes and it has absolutely nothing to do with God at all.