Top Ten Worst Things I've Seen Christians Do

[FinallyFree]

sorry mostly personal, but its my experience.

 

No worries.

 

I'm really tired of these people molesting kids and getting away with it. People don't realize it happens in more churches than they think. Probably 99% of the time it never gets out. These people deserve to be in jail and also the ones who knew and didn't go to the police. I don't care if it happens 20 years ago, they still need to be locked up.

 

I'm sorry but I completely disagree. I don't think anyone like that should ever be locked up... lets kill them instead.

 

 

 

[chosendarkness]

I'm sorry but I completely disagree. I don't think anyone like that should ever be locked up... lets kill them instead.

I disagree though, I think they should be locked up in a prison with murderers who were abused by people like them. I want them to be terrified just like the children were. I want them to be repeatedly raped and beaten for the rest of their lives. That should make it just about even..

[Galien]

As a sexually abused child I understand why you might feel that way, but really why perpetuate the abuse, no matter what kind it is. Revenge, resentment and bitterness just causes more of the same.

 

 

[Galien]

The church did two things to me that were really bad. When I got kicked out tf the christian cult I was in after nine years, they told me god had abandoned me and I believed them. That was when I will still dumb enough to believe christians never told lies. In my own mind i was separated from god, and thus in hell. I had always suffered from depression, this sent me into clinical depression with obsessive compulsive disorder, and I was very suicidal. Took me about a year to even function normally again.

 

Ten years later after I had been in a penetcostal church they asked me not to come back after I had an affair with a person a lot yonger than me. The person was quite young but it is legal for us to have a relationship in Australia. Even after these christians knew of my pain as a sexual abuse victim, they called me a pedophile and I had to go to hospital this time on suicide watch. I was so angry, just prior to this I had been celibate for nine years since my husband left. I hated men and I was happy to keep it that way. The church sent me to a course to deal with my childhood sexual abuse and they told me that is why I hated men, that god was not happy with me for this and I had to stop. So I did, and the first man that came along and talked me up happened to be younger than me. But I found with most people the circumstances don't matter.

 

This last incident came close to costing me my life, but it did devastate me enough to finally make me grow up and look at christianity without the rose coloured glasses. And I hated what I saw, so I walked away.

[chosendarkness]

As a sexually abused child I understand why you might feel that way, but really why perpetuate the abuse, no matter what kind it is. Revenge, resentment and bitterness just causes more of the same.

 

 

 

I was abused by them too and the pain blew my mind. If I report a crime and the jury finds a child molester guilty, I'm not perpetuating any abuse. It's not my fault that person molested children, molested me. If they get what they deserve it's their own fault. It's not revenge, it's justice.

 

Child molesters suffer worse than anyone else in prison for a reason. What goes around comes around.

 

People are supposed to pay for their crimes, there's nothing wrong with wanting that. Not telling the police about a child molester and letting the person get away with it so they can do it again is a crime. Forgiveness is the whole reason they get away with it in the first place.

[Galien]

As a sexually abused child I understand why you might feel that way, but really why perpetuate the abuse, no matter what kind it is. Revenge, resentment and bitterness just causes more of the same.

 

 

 

People are supposed to pay for their crimes, there's nothing wrong with wanting that. Not telling the police about a child molester and letting the person get away with it so they can do it again is a crime. Forgiveness is the whole reason they get away with it in the first place.

 

Are they? I guess that is what our society has taught us to believe, and I am assuming you are american and it is deeply ingrained into your society, the whole "justice" thing. Trust me from the outside your legal system is anything but just. People who molest children are sick and most of them cannot stop themselves from doing it. I just don't see how allowing them to be abused by others is any different. Unlike most people I guess I just don't see revenge as justice of any kind. Nothing anyone can do to child molestors will ever take away the pain they cause, no amount spent of time spent in jail, no amount of hurt done to them. Either way its just more hurt, and even though it makes some people feel better, I can't see how it is anything else but more of the same.

[YDOAPS]

It doesn't compare to murder or molestation, but there is evidence that William Lane Craig plagiarized his masters thesis.

[chosendarkness]

This last incident came close to costing me my life,

I'm glad you're here. I did the same thing only I tried to drink myself to death and put myself in dangerous situations. I didn't want to admit I was trying to commit suicide, I guess too afraid to face how fucked up I was. Still am, but I've just recently started to feel a little hope.

[chosendarkness]

As a sexually abused child I understand why you might feel that way, but really why perpetuate the abuse, no matter what kind it is. Revenge, resentment and bitterness just causes more of the same.

 

 

 

People are supposed to pay for their crimes, there's nothing wrong with wanting that. Not telling the police about a child molester and letting the person get away with it so they can do it again is a crime. Forgiveness is the whole reason they get away with it in the first place.

 

Are they? I guess that is what our society has taught us to believe, and I am assuming you are american and it is deeply ingrained into your society, the whole "justice" thing. Trust me from the outside your legal system is anything but just. People who molest children are sick and most of them cannot stop themselves from doing it. I just don't see how allowing them to be abused by others is any different. Unlike most people I guess I just don't see revenge as justice of any kind. Nothing anyone can do to child molestors will ever take away the pain they cause, no amount spent of time spent in jail, no amount of hurt done to them. Either way its just more hurt, and even though it makes some people feel better, I can't see how it is anything else but more of the same.

I'm all for having them locked away because I've seen people let them get away with it and then they molested more people. If this was a different world and they were able to change then they wouldn't have to be locked up, but it's not.

[stryper]

urban legend has it that child molesters don't last long in prison. Once the others find out what they did.

 

 

Gailen sounds like you would almost prefer a drowning man trial as explained in the movie The Interpreter. If the ritual is factually based or not is debatable.

[Galien]

urban legend has it that child molesters don't last long in prison. Once the others find out what they did.

 

 

Gailen sounds like you would almost prefer a drowning man trial as explained in the movie The Interpreter. If the ritual is factually based or not is debatable.

 

 

What I would prefer is that human beings weren't so fucking awful to each other, but we both know that isn't going to happen. What I don't prefer, is the mindless knee jerk reactions of people when it comes to this stuff. Most people would drag them out and hack them to death in the street if given a chance, I wouldn't be one of the crowd.

 

Look at it this way, if we were all suitably punished for every shitty thing we ever did, there would be VERY few of us left at all.

[chosendarkness]

urban legend has it that child molesters don't last long in prison. Once the others find out what they did.

In prison they make people show the papers that tell what they did. Everyone has to follow the unwritten prison rules. Child molesters are put in a special wing for their protection, but they still get roughed up. Supposedly the guards don't respond as fast when it happens, and the inmates who do it are let off pretty easy.

[chosendarkness]

 

Look at it this way, if we were all suitably punished for every shitty thing we ever did, there would be VERY few of us left at all.

 

Can you give an example? I don't see how an average law-abiding citizen deserves death.

[Galien]

Look at it this way, if we were all suitably punished for every shitty thing we ever did, there would be VERY few of us left at all.

 

Can you give an example? I don't see how an average law-abiding citizen deserves death.

 

 

Don't expect any conventional wisdom from me, I think so far outside the square its a rectangle It is a strange world we live in, people make laws and we act as though transgressing those are the worst things we can do. People use, hurt and manipulate each other every day. If you punch me in the face I can sue your ass off, If you psychologically devastate me and mindfuck me until I jump off a bridge I can't do a damn thing about it. Why do you think churches get away with it?

 

Having lived through physical, emotional and sexual abuse as a child and an adult, the emotional abuse has done me far more damage than the other two. Who will punish the cunts who did that to me? No one.

[Vixentrox]

1. Berate parishoners for not dressing up good enough or for a female daring to wear something other than a dress/skirt to church.

 

2. Claim Jews deserved the Holocaust.

 

3. Refuse to go to a funeral for a gay family member; gossip about same family member's immoral life.

 

4. Collecting money for new things for the church while an obviously struggling parishoner gets no help.

 

5. Publically say that the child of a parishoner who committed suicide is now in hell.

 

6. Used private prayer meetings as an excuse to gossip about others so they could "pray for them."

 

7. Bible camp used to indoctronate kids that they were soon to be persecuted, how to organize secret prayer meetings after the government outlaws Christianity, etc.

 

8. Scaring young children in Sunday school with stories of burning in hell. "How many of you ever touched a hot stove or mommy's iron? It really hurt didn't it? If you don't obey Jesus that is what is going to happen to you all over your body forever...."

 

9. Collect and burn D&D books, rock & roll records, and whatever else they didn't agree with.

 

10. Claim illnesses were God's punishment for something the sick person had done.

[Xerces]

1. Be extreme hypocrites

 

Yes, and granted we have all said one thing and done another at some point, thus being "hypocritical", but xtians do it perpetually, everyday, they say they believe in a holy code of living and they try to shove and force it on others while pretending to live it themselves. All they are are a bunch of delusional fuck-heads.

[chosendarkness]

Look at it this way, if we were all suitably punished for every shitty thing we ever did, there would be VERY few of us left at all.

 

Can you give an example? I don't see how an average law-abiding citizen deserves death.

 

 

Don't expect any conventional wisdom from me, I think so far outside the square its a rectangle It is a strange world we live in, people make laws and we act as though transgressing those are the worst things we can do. People use, hurt and manipulate each other every day. If you punch me in the face I can sue your ass off, If you psychologically devastate me and mindfuck me until I jump off a bridge I can't do a damn thing about it. Why do you think churches get away with it?

 

Having lived through physical, emotional and sexual abuse as a child and an adult, the emotional abuse has done me far more damage than the other two. Who will punish the cunts who did that to me? No one.

What you're saying is completely valid.

 

I think if more people organize and start dealing with emotional abuse it can be changed.

 

In France they were trying to make it a crime..

Another measure proposed by Parliament is jail time for psychological violence, characterized as repeated verbal insults over an extended period of time which are intended to harm a spouse mentally and/or physically.

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=341793799802

[excalvinist]

1. A Christian father trying to sweep under the rug the fact that his prick son molested his twelve year old daughter. Yep, the dude molested his own sister.

 

2. The same man saying that he believes birth control, even naturally, is biblical forbidden. So of course he has sixteen children. Yet some of his son’s wives take birth control. So he does not have the same standards for the daughters as the sons, which of course is a double standard.

 

3. The same ass hole believes that all state health programs for low income people individuals is strictly prohibited. Yet one of his sons fornicated before marriage and had to get married. Of course they had two children on state insurance, another double standard.

 

4. An elder in the church telling me I had to get a third job when the Pastor told me they would help pay for 3K worth of dental work. I was rejected from the military, after enlisting because I needed three root canals. I told them I would pay them back with my bonus money. The pastor said not to worry about it that they would pay all of it. Yet the elder said no, because I needed a third job, even though I was enlisted and already working two jobs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

5. A pastor in a mega church I went to had an affair and his wife left him. This man was a pastor for twenty years and married and counseled thousands of couples. When it happened he just left and everyone kept it quiet. So, ware does this man end up? Pastoring with his son at a Calvary Chapel in California.

 

 

6. Another Pastor in Ashland Oregon left his wife and for another woman. He takes off for a few years and ends up coming back to the same town speaking at churches.

 

7. Another Calvary Chapel Pastor I knew married a girl when she was seventeen. It finally came out that he was cheating on her and physically abusing her for years. All the while he was a pastor.

 

8: Yet another Calvary Chapel pastor I knew stole a large some of money from the mission fund. When he was confronted about it, he lied. Ware does he end up? At another Calvary Chapel in Oregon pasturing a few years later.

 

9. I knew a man who was arrested in his place of business. He had thousands of downloaded child porn on his computer. He also had a camera in the women’s bathroom. He did fourteen months in prison. When he got out, all he did was say he didn’t do anything wrong.

 

10: I know of a lady who is severely mentally ill, and so was her mother before she died. This lady has had to be committed several times. A pastor told her that if she just took communion everything would be o.k. She was mentally ill because she did not have enough faith.

[Reprobate]

The current pastor of a church I used to attend tells the congregation that bad things happen to people who leave the church. He is a very manipulative man.

 

While his wife was dying of cancer, he stole his daughter-in-law away from his son. He announced he was going to marry her right after his wifes death.

 

The whole prosparity gospel thing.

[stryper]

 

What I would prefer is that human beings weren't so fucking awful to each other, but we both know that isn't going to happen. What I don't prefer, is the mindless knee jerk reactions of people when it comes to this stuff. Most people would drag them out and hack them to death in the street if given a chance, I wouldn't be one of the crowd.

 

Look at it this way, if we were all suitably punished for every shitty thing we ever did, there would be VERY few of us left at all.

 

 

Can't aruge with that. However, it won't happen.

 

Humans have freewill. Therefore, we all have the ability to choose. Many people however don't excersie this ability. The react based on imprinting, emotion, indocrination, or whatever. So, bad things happen.

 

 

My personal belief is that while there is no god controling and watching everything, there still is an accounting of deeds. We keep the records ourselves and balance the books in another life.

 

So, in another life you will face your abuser in this life and a decision will be made. You probably will not be conscience of why you are reacting the way you do the person. You may instantly hate them, love them, kill them, who know. Until it happens you won't either.

 

but that is my opinion.

[chosendarkness]

There may be a time when we look back and wonder why we let emotional abuse go unpunished, kind of like how we see slavery now. Religion would not be allowed to torture children with the fear of hell, no more telling people homosexuality is evil, no more religious abuse. It's definitely something that's possible and worthy to work towards. More well thought out court cases would bring it to the public's attention.

[SirPhoenix]

Well now that xmas season is in full swing, my personal pet peeve is my fundie neighbor. He has quite the xmas light show set up. Now my peeve has nothing to do with the lights themselves, in fact, they are pretty cool. Too cool in fact. He has them synced to music, which encourages people to park and "listen to the lights" rather than take a look and then move on, This wouldn't be too bad, if, let's say it was for the week leading up to xmas. However, the show started right after Thanksgiving, and will last through the new year. Guess who's house has the prime viewing angle for this monstrosity. Yep, that would be mine.

 

Now, everyone has company from time to time, but this usually entails most of the cars in the driveway of the house being visited, and a few more on the street, in front of the house being visited. No one parks in front of his house, because, that blocks the light show. So, essentially, he has invited everyone in the city to come to our neighborhood and park in front of my house. Isn't that the perfect example of christian consideration.

 

I have pointed this out to him. I told him this neighborhood is too small for what he is doing. His reply. "It's a public street, and there is nothing you can do about it."

 

Well, it's not anywhere near as bad as any of the other things written in this thread, but it is pissing me off, and I had to rant.

[OpheliaGinger]

I have pointed this out to him. I told him this neighborhood is too small for what he is doing. His reply. "It's a public street, and there is nothing you can do about it."

 

"Oh really?" You can get him on noise violation if you can hear the music from your home.

[SirPhoenix]

I have pointed this out to him. I told him this neighborhood is too small for what he is doing. His reply. "It's a public street, and there is nothing you can do about it."

 

"Oh really?" You can get him on noise violation if you can hear the music from your home.

 

 

 

If only it were that easy. He broadcasts the music over FM, sort of like those ipod adapters for cars. It's really low power, so one doesn't need a radio license. They sell the kits to do this at Home Depot. I like the way you think though.

[chosendarkness]

 

So, in another life you will face your abuser in this life and a decision will be made. You probably will not be conscience of why you are reacting the way you do the person. You may instantly hate them, love them, kill them, who know. Until it happens you won't either.

Why wait to face your abuser? Face them now by reporting them to the police. Even if there's no evidence to convict them for a past crime it's not over, they're still doing the exact same things and worse. If nothing is happening at the moment they're just taking a holiday until the next victim.