Why is Praying Necessary?

[Antlerman]

I struggle with masterbation the same as all men, and women, do i make  a habit of it, nope, i am lucky that i am married, and to a great woman, and all in all our sex life is pretty good...........

 

Wrong guy to ask about the "gift of tounges" I believe whole heartidly that God annoints people through the Holy Spirit, I also believe that there are two forms of tounges, one of prophecy as in both the OT and NT, and one of spiritual edification.....The gift of tounges is an outward sign of baptism of the Holy Spirit, it is also the sign used for Christians to go and spread the gospel..........whole new convo though

Thanks for your honesty, even though I would consider getting over thinking there is anything bad about it - there is no biblical basis for thinking it's wrong, only a prudish history of religious neuroses from dysfunctional clergy. (Spilling the seed and angry god verse in the OT is not about masturbation whatsoever).

 

The real point I want to mention though is the issue of tongues talking really is in the same vein as prayer. Often they call it "praying in tongues". It is all about a religious experience, just as prayer is. It's a one to one experience. It is a very intimate and almost sexual experience. Therefore prayer is an act of self-gratification in that sense.

 

BTW, those reasons you cite for speaking in tongues is based on genuinely bad theology. I was a Pentecostal and am entirely familiar with their horse-shit theology. The truth about tongues you ask? It is a common ecstatic experience of many religions throughout the world: from the Zulu's in Africa, to the practitioners of Voodoo in Haiti, to the worshippers of Diana in Corinth in Paul's day, to religious sects going back hundreds of years before Christ. It's part of ecstasy religions. It's not proof of the Holy Spirit. It's a natural product of human religious experiences of self ecstasy - hence, masturbation.

 

There's so much to learn, and so little time....

[Ouroboros]

I'm very tired of hearing the excuses why the alleged God doesn't listen to prayers.

 

It's unbiblical in my opinion. The only explanations are the Bible is wrong or God doesn't exist. All other explanations are heretic.

 

What Bible verses claims that God does not answer prayers?

 

When we have verses that claim that God always should answer.

 

Look at what Jesus said:

Mat 6:6-8 KJVA  But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.  (7)  But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.  (8)  Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

 

Mat 7:7-11 KJVA  Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:  (8)  For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.  (9)  Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?  (10)  Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?  (11)  If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

 

Mat 18:18-20 KJVA  Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.  (19)  Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.  (20)  For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

 

And there's more! You can't just undo these verses. They're in the Bible black-on-white (or red-on-white)!

 

Is it that:

1. Jesus was wrong?

2. The Bible is wrong?

3. God doesn't exist?

 

I would like to see the verses that undo these words from the supposed Jesus!

 

All this excuses from Christians are made up just because they can see that these words from Jesus are not true, and they have to make up explanations to explain away why God's word doesn't fit into reality.

 

Christians, let me see the words in the Bible that tell us that Jesus was wrong!

[thomas]

I'm very tired of hearing the excuses why the alleged God doesn't listen to prayers.

 

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You are so right Hans. The bible says in a very claer and unconditional way, that God does answer prayers about anything.

 

Everything else (including books on 12 steps to have your prayers answered) are nothing but bad excuses from Christians, who want to save their God's reputation.

[Amethyst]

Everything else (including books on 12 steps to have your prayers answered) are nothing but bad excuses from Christians, who want to save their God's reputation.

 

Not to mention, to convince themselves that their god is real.

[thomas]

Not to mention, to convince themselves that their god is real.

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So right.

[Vigile]

Thats not a relationship, thats not what God desires, thats a mentality that man has

 

Why does god DESIRE anything? I thought he was perfect and therefore complete?

[Vigile]

I struggle with masterbation the same as all men, and women, do i make  a habit of it, nope, i am lucky that i am married, and to a great woman, and all in all our sex life is pretty good...........

 

 

Why do you struggle with it? Do you also struggle with food? With breathing? With other bodily functions?

[Ouroboros]

I struggle with masterbation the same as all men, and women, do i make  a habit of it, nope, i am lucky that i am married, and to a great woman, and all in all our sex life is pretty good...........

Do I struggle with masturbation? No, I think it's pretty easy, and if you practice, it becomes easier.

 

Wrong guy to ask about the "gift of tounges" I believe whole heartidly that God annoints people through the Holy Spirit, I also believe that there are two forms of tounges, one of prophecy as in both the OT and NT, and one of spiritual edification.....The gift of tounges is an outward sign of baptism of the Holy Spirit, it is also the sign used for Christians to go and spread the gospel..........whole new convo though

If speaking in tongues is a sign of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Why can I still speak in tongues as an apostate?

[crazy-tiger]

Do I struggle with masturbation? No, I think it's pretty easy, and if you practice, it becomes easier.

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Whoo YEAH!

 

 

I do find it sometimes helps if you make use of a little porn...

[Ouroboros]

Whoo YEAH!

I do find it sometimes helps if you make use of a little porn...

That too. So I can't really understand this "struggling with"?

[MQTA]

Whoo YEAH!

I do find it sometimes helps if you make use of a little porn...

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Well, it doesn't hurt, sure makes this rise up to the occasion, but sometimes a MMF is all you need.

[Asuryan]

Well, it doesn't hurt, sure makes this rise up to the occasion, but sometimes a MMF is all you need.

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A mean motherfucker?

[MQTA]

A mean motherfucker? 

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Yeah, that works. But I was thinking Mental Mind Fucking. Not to be confused with a Mental Mind Fuck, sometimes those aren't good.

[BeccasStillSeeking]

What's the struggle?  It's quite easy to do.  He goes up, you play with him.  No struggle at all.

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Yes, but pleasure is EVIL, don't you know? We'll ignore that if one takes Creationism literally, sexual pleasure AND desire, AND the ability to get off manually, were all invented by God.

[crazy-tiger]

Well, it doesn't hurt, sure makes this rise up to the occasion, but sometimes a MMF is all you need.

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And what about FFM? Or indeed MMMF?

 

 

 

 

Does anyone else think this has gone a tad off-topic?

[MQTA]

well, I remember seeing this one Church, they had a sign:

 

 

Prays The Lord

 

 

Always ROTFL when I think about them. Talk about misguided.

[Mike D]

You can't just undo these verses. They're in the Bible black-on-white (or red-on-white)!

 

Is it that:

1. Jesus was wrong?

2. The Bible is wrong?

3. God doesn't exist?

Well, obviously you didn't have the holy spirit to guide you to the correct interpretation of those verses.

 

Actually I was told that God only answers prayers that are in accordance with his will. So basically when people pray, they are asking god to do whatever it is he was going to do whether you asked him to do it or not, which he was going to do anyway. So, I believe the correct prayer would be: "Dear God, please continue doing whatever it is you were going to do before I interrupted you with this prayer request to ask you to continue doing just that". Amen".

[Dianka]

"Dear God, please continue doing whatever it is you were going to do before I interrupted you with this prayer request to ask you to continue doing just that". Amen".

 

Excuse me but.....

 

BBBWWWWAAAAHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

 

[Xthebuilder]

The real point I want to mention though is the issue of tongues talking really is in the same vein as prayer.  Often they call it "praying in tongues".  It is all about a religious experience, just as prayer is.  It's a one to one experience.  It is a very intimate and almost sexual experience.  Therefore prayer is an act of self-gratification in that sense.

 

BTW, those reasons you cite for speaking in tongues is based on genuinely bad theology.  I was a Pentecostal and am entirely familiar with their horse-shit theology.  The truth about tongues you ask?  It is a common ecstatic experience of many religions throughout the world: from the Zulu's in Africa, to the practitioners of Voodoo in Haiti, to the worshippers of Diana in Corinth in Paul's day, to religious sects going back hundreds of years before Christ.  It's part of ecstasy religions.  It's not proof of the Holy Spirit.  It's a natural product of human religious experiences of self ecstasy - hence, masturbation.

 

There's so much to learn, and so little time....

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Where do we start this debate? I am more than willing to discuss any of the doctrine regarding tounges. I believe we must start in the OT , and go from there..........up to you, but I am game

 

 

Ric

[SkepticOfBible]

Where do we start this debate? I am more than willing to discuss any of the doctrine regarding tounges. I believe we must start in the OT , and go from there..........up to you, but I am game

Ric

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BRING IT OOOOOONNNNN

 

 

Well they'll be plenty of discussions of difference between OT and NT in the future. There already plenty of thread which are having these discussion. Please be feel free to join any

[mwc]

i see how you, not just you, but nonbelievers or exchristians can trap  believers into defending something that they know little about. If all you do is look at prayer to get things, then I guess God does not answer prayers. Does it changethe fact that prayer is not ebay or some magic phone line for health restoration? Nope not one bit.........prayer is communication with God, and communication is not all one sided.....

Are you trying to say that believers know little about prayer or are you being condescending?

 

What does "god" say back to you? I've often just "chatted" with "god" although it was just me talking (to myself as it turns out). I've seen little kids (and crazy people) talking to their invisible friends too. They, like you, swear they're having an actual conversation (I admit I did something similar when I was a kid too and it was my stuffed animals that talked...I guess I had idols).

 

So as far as your personal masterbation habits, or my prayer life, I do not think they over lap at all.

Great. Now all I can think about while praying is masturbation. Errr...um...reverse that. Although I don't know if I like the idea of "god" watching.

 

mwc

[Mythra]

Do I struggle with masturbation? No, I think it's pretty easy, and if you practice, it becomes easier.

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I thought you guys said that you had been christians. You should know this shit.

 

Jesus watches everyone in the world. He even watches em as they masterbate. He has a grading system. Takes a really good one to impress him.

 

Since all masterbation is the same as adultery, the struggle then becomes how to make the most of the sin. You get the same points knocked off of your holiness whether you do it up really good, or just mediocre. So the struggle becomes how to avoid having a so-so solo session.

[MQTA]

Just acknowledge that whomever is watching is watching whether you acknowledge it or not.

 

I don't know about this God and Jesus nobody has pictures or points of pressence with.. I'd be more concerned about the other spirits, the ones you actually knew in the flesh. Have my grandparents been watching me? What about the guy who killed himself a few years back?

 

I'd RATHER it be God and Jesus, watch all you want, shit, you created us, wtf. But my grandmother?

 

Ah, wtf... too late now... once you see it once, you may as well just accept it. If she's not busy, let her watch too.

 

 

 

I still don't get how you see without eyes, or consciousness. Wouldn't it be more like blind people? Just the sensory energy. So they can really only feel the vibrations. And the vibrations are Love, not anything else. So come one, come all.

 

Now you never have to feel like you're jerking off ALONE. You always gots company

[thomas]

I thought you guys said that you had been christians.  You should know this shit.

 

Jesus watches everyone in the world.  He even watches em as they masterbate.  He has a grading system.  Takes a really good one to impress him.

 

Since all masterbation is the same as adultery, the struggle then becomes how to make the most of the sin.  You get the same points knocked off of your holiness whether you do it up really good, or just mediocre.  So the struggle becomes how to avoid having a so-so solo session.

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Mythra

 

You express the conflict Xthebuilder is talking about very well. And I guess we all know and understand that.

 

But since we have left the christian slavery, we take our freedom to present other views to Xthebuilder, to show that it is only from a christian perspective that masturbation is a struggle. Thats at leats the way I understand the various posts here.

[Mythra]

That was actually written with tongue firmly in cheek.

 

The "struggle" for christians, lies in the fact that masterbation and admiring members of the opposite sex (or same sex for some) are natural things. Combine that with Jesus' warning that "to look upon a woman with lust" is the same as adultery, and we meet head on with unavoidable internal conflict. The desire to "please" god versus normal biological urges.

 

Just read Romans and you'll see it. What I want to do, I can't do. What I don't want to do, I do. Sometimes I think I don't want to do what I want, but inside I only think that's what I thought I didn't want to do. Occasionally I don't do what I thought I didn't want to do when I did what I really wanted to do instead. Oh woe is me.