Malr Homosexuality Is An Example Of Why The Gospel Of Hell Is Needed

[Xerces]

The only thing I am against is the so called gay parenting ... I think the children don't deserve to be bullied because they are raised in a gay family...

 

You'll get over it, that's a christian remnant still lingering with you. Personally I believe LGBT people should have every right to be parents. The fact that kids get teased is because of all the hatred stemming from religion based ignorance. Transcending stupidity is a priority for these people. A priority I hope they realize.

[Not_Scarevangelist]

I don't agree with him either, but I think he's talking about being bullied by others. Ludicrous either way, since kids will always find a reason to tease or bully each other.

 

Correct. I'm not implying that the parents will bully him. It's about the other kids...

 

Our society is still extremely homophobic. Probably the situation is better in the USA, but here in Eastern Europe, where we've not defeated our racial prejudies and the N-word is not considered offensive, where it's still hard to talk about equal rights... it's not so...

 

When I was a schoolboy my schoolmates often offended each others and the most common offensive word was gay or faggot.

 

A kid that's raised in a gay family is going to be bullied even more for that...

[JadedAtheist]

I don't agree with him either, but I think he's talking about being bullied by others. Ludicrous either way, since kids will always find a reason to tease or bully each other.

 

Correct. I'm not implying that the parents will bully him. It's about the other kids...

 

Our society is still extremely homophobic. Probably the situation is better in the USA, but here in Eastern Europe, where we've not defeated our racial prejudies and the N-word is not considered offensive, where it's still hard to talk about equal rights... it's not so...

 

When I was a schoolboy my schoolmates often offended each others and the most common offensive word was gay or faggot.

 

A kid that's raised in a gay family is going to be bullied even more for that...

 

I haven't got a problem with gay parenting but I agree that it is going to cause the kid a lot of problems, depending on where you live (just like I'd imagine having parents that differ racially could be an issue). I agree with the whole Eastern Europe mentality too. I know in Serbia, openly flaunting your homosexuality is pretty much a death sentence and the police aren't going to go out of their way to prosecute someone who did it.

[Vigile]

I don't agree with him either, but I think he's talking about being bullied by others. Ludicrous either way, since kids will always find a reason to tease or bully each other.

 

He lives in Bulgaria, the bullying may be a bit worse than what we are used to in the West.

[AlphaToOmega]

I don't agree with him either, but I think he's talking about being bullied by others. Ludicrous either way, since kids will always find a reason to tease or bully each other.

 

He lives in Bulgaria, the bullying may be a bit worse than what we are used to in the West.

 

A very valid point.

Unfortunate but valid.

[Suzy]

I don't agree with him either, but I think he's talking about being bullied by others. Ludicrous either way, since kids will always find a reason to tease or bully each other.

 

Correct. I'm not implying that the parents will bully him. It's about the other kids...

 

Our society is still extremely homophobic. Probably the situation is better in the USA, but here in Eastern Europe, where we've not defeated our racial prejudies and the N-word is not considered offensive, where it's still hard to talk about equal rights... it's not so...

 

When I was a schoolboy my schoolmates often offended each others and the most common offensive word was gay or faggot.

 

A kid that's raised in a gay family is going to be bullied even more for that...

 

I haven't got a problem with gay parenting but I agree that it is going to cause the kid a lot of problems, depending on where you live (just like I'd imagine having parents that differ racially could be an issue). I agree with the whole Eastern Europe mentality too. I know in Serbia, openly flaunting your homosexuality is pretty much a death sentence and the police aren't going to go out of their way to prosecute someone who did it.

 

 

But it needs to start to change somewhere. If gay people are denied the right of adopting kids because of fear that the kid might get bullied by their peers for it, then it will never change. Once it becomes more common and people will get used to it, it will be more accepted.

 

As for Eastern Europe: my country, Hungary is pretty homophobic as well. You cannot have a Gay Pride march here without police having to protect them from violent far-right hooligans. (And the sad thing is most people would agree with the hooligans!)

 

In fact, we are going backwards on the government level as well. Our conservative government has just changed the constitution. It used to be more secular as it was made in 1949. Now they brought in all kind of references to God and Christian "values" (things those weren't in the previous constitution), plus stated that marriage is a union of one man and one woman. It wasn't stated in the previous constitution either, although there weren't laws allowing gay marriage. But now it's explicitly banned in the constitution. Of course, it has to do with the fact that the Catholic Church pulls the strings of this government. There are all kind of other things going on here which show that. We are moving back to the middle ages.

 

I personally used to be homophobic as well, due to my fundy upbringing and the homophobic society I live in. Since my de-conversion I managed to change my attitude about it. It was therapeutic when I watched some gay porn out of curiousity and I realized it's no big deal at all, no reason to hate or condemn people for. I also learned that animals do it too and that bonobos, for example (which are genetically closest to us), are almost all bisexual, so it's not "unnatural" at all, as some homophobics claim. basically realized that apart from religion and bigotry there's no reason to condemn homosexuality.

[Fweethawt]

I still haven't figured out which is more detrimental to a society -- homosexuals that actually love and care for each other, or a widespread religion that teaches people to hate others for being who they are.

 

 

Can somebody help me out with this?

[Ouroboros]

I still haven't figured out which is more detrimental to a society -- homosexuals that actually love and care for each other, or a widespread religion that teaches people to hate others for being who they are.

 

 

Can somebody help me out with this?

No, I think it's the damn rodents eating my cheese...

[Fweethawt]

No, I think it's the damn rodents eating my cheese...

I don't recognize the screen name. But the humor feels familiar... :-)

[Ouroboros]

No, I think it's the damn rodents eating my cheese...

I don't recognize the screen name. But the humor feels familiar... :-)

I used to go by the rogue character from the old Star Wars. You know, the guy with the gay robot friend and the big live rug that sounded like choking a turkey.

[Fweethawt]

Hello, Han.

[Ouroboros]

Hello, Han.

 

Hello Fwee.

Long time, no see.

[Fweethawt]

Hello, Han.

 

Hello Fwee.

Long time, no see.

Been busy getting by. Getting my life back in order. And helping my little sweetheart do the same. The past four years has been a he'll of a ride. But I wouldn't trade it for anything. I got me a good woman. And she's happy with her man. :-)

[JadedAtheist]

But it needs to start to change somewhere. If gay people are denied the right of adopting kids because of fear that the kid might get bullied by their peers for it, then it will never change. Once it becomes more common and people will get used to it, it will be more accepted.

 

As for Eastern Europe: my country, Hungary is pretty homophobic as well. You cannot have a Gay Pride march here without police having to protect them from violent far-right hooligans. (And the sad thing is most people would agree with the hooligans!)

 

In fact, we are going backwards on the government level as well. Our conservative government has just changed the constitution. It used to be more secular as it was made in 1949. Now they brought in all kind of references to God and Christian "values" (things those weren't in the previous constitution), plus stated that marriage is a union of one man and one woman. It wasn't stated in the previous constitution either, although there weren't laws allowing gay marriage. But now it's explicitly banned in the constitution. Of course, it has to do with the fact that the Catholic Church pulls the strings of this government. There are all kind of other things going on here which show that. We are moving back to the middle ages.

 

I personally used to be homophobic as well, due to my fundy upbringing and the homophobic society I live in. Since my de-conversion I managed to change my attitude about it. It was therapeutic when I watched some gay porn out of curiousity and I realized it's no big deal at all, no reason to hate or condemn people for. I also learned that animals do it too and that bonobos, for example (which are genetically closest to us), are almost all bisexual, so it's not "unnatural" at all, as some homophobics claim. basically realized that apart from religion and bigotry there's no reason to condemn homosexuality.

 

I agree with you. I'm all for same-sex partners parenting but I think it'd be unrealistic to expect that there won't be negative (and sometimes severely negative) effects on the children growing up in that environment. Not from the parents but from their peers and the society around them too. It really depends on the country. In a western place like the US, UK or Australia you could probably put up with the *minor* teasing you'd receive but in places like Serbia where you'll get bashed for acting gay let alone actually being gay, you will receive far worse "persecution". So while I wouldn't stop anyone from raising kids in that environment, I would strongly urge them to reconsider, or move elsewhere.

[DesertBob]

The universe will bless me with an enlightened child. My son or daughter will carry on my legacy

ROFL -- good luck with that!

 

This is the fantasy of every parent ... seldom the reality but for dumb luck.

 

I know. I just finished a three week vacation abroad with two arrogant, self-absorbed boogers -- er, teenagers.

[DesertBob]

I'm all for same-sex partners parenting but I think it'd be unrealistic to expect that there won't be negative (and sometimes severely negative) effects on the children growing up in that environment.

My fiancee and I agree, if any of our respective children had been gay we would have taken it in stride and loved them the same; that said, we are glad they are not, simply because their lives are easier as a result. They have enough challenges as heterosexuals. Adding same-sex parents into the mix can't help matters. That said, there's not a thing in the world wrong with it. It's just the nutjobs like the original poster of this thread that make life a trial ...

 

Though it may be less challenging at this point in history, in this particular society, to not be gay, or black, or atheist, or what-have-you, it's even more challenging to attempt to deny what you are or pretend to be something you're not ... my stepson is an atheist and a socialist and fairly militant concerning both. He has chosen, for now at least, a path that will likely be lonelier than I could wish for him, but at the same time, it pains him to be less than real, and I find that personal integrity to be awe-inspiring.

[Albino_Raptor]

Someone thinking up an eternal afterlife BDSM studio and sucking on Jesus' cock 24 hours a day has no room dissing gay sex, k?

[Noggy]

Out of curiousity, is there really no disadvantage to having two dads or two moms? Isn't one of each a more balanced approach? Not to say that I am against same-sex adoption, I could just see potential stumbling blocks along the way.

[hereticzero]

Out of curiousity, is there really no disadvantage to having two dads or two moms? Isn't one of each a more balanced approach? Not to say that I am against same-sex adoption, I could just see potential stumbling blocks along the way.

There are stumbling blocks in any relationship. Heterosexual unions are no guarantee of balance. Heterosexuals lead the country in the number of divorces, their own spouse murders, their own children murders, and pedophiles are also predominantly heterosexual,married, and have children. Where's the balance? The balance for a child comes in the knowledge that they are loved and well cared for. Children learn acceptance or nonacceptance from their parents and peers, who also learn from their parents and peers. The only disadvantage of same sex relationships, that I can see, is when a child may be bullied by other children for having same-sex parents, and that goes right back to my statement above that children are TAUGHT what to hate either by parents or peers. Being heterosexual and having a female and a male for parents is not a model of balance.

[stryper]

My wife's gay best firend adopted a little girl about the same time that we had our son.

 

He has been with his partner for like 6-7 years.

 

She is two now. In the late 80's or early 90's when I was in high school, same sex couples raising kids wasn't even talked about. It wasn't until the 2000' s that it started even being acknowledged. I wonder sometime what she will face in school in a few years. The currently live in Houston, TX. I would like to think that by the time she is in high school it would be seen as part of the vast diversity of the world and not something to be condemned.

 

Time will only tell and since the future is always in motion it can be hard to predict.

[freeasabird]

The "don't do it for the kids" argument was commonly used to discourage interracial marriage as well.

[L.B.]

I didn't see this thread till it was too late... have to chime in, anyway.

 

The troll thinks that men having sex with other men is "not normal brain activity".

 

OK, but hearing voices in your head and believing in magic books and flying saviors

and talking snakes IS?

 

Riiiiiight.

 

I'm glad he's gone. It's no fun picking on the retarded.