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Thanksgiving and Christmas are almost upon us, and of course, living in a town with at least 5 different churches in it, I will have the annoying flyers left in my mailbox, on my door, along with the knocking and invites to attend services. Forget the fact I have "no proselytizing" signs on said mailbox and door. I have half a mind to start filing harassment charges this year. I do my best to just NOT engage simply because I really don't want to rip these people to shreds for their obvious ignorance about what they are teaching and their blatant disregard of my signs...(but education is obviously lacking, they probably do not know what proselytizing means).

 

IF I decide to actually engage this year, there is the age old question of where to start at. And for that, I need some rules cleared up as far as OT and NT. Which is followed as the law and which is only used for reference? I mean, I thought the OT only applied to the Isrealites and those NOT saved by Christ, where as NT law is for those who have found Christ...which ironically means if I were to convert to Christianity, it would be okay to be gay/lesbian....because OT didn't apply to me anymore..but I digress.

 

Anyone have the actualy reasoning for the OT being included if everyone dismisses it as "old" law? Forget the fact they still quote the crap out of it to win an argument...even though at the same time I am told it is "old" law...

 

Man, how do people seriously buy in to this crap?

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There are a number of reasons the OT is still included, but none of them are especially significant if they can dismiss it when you are arguing. Best to stick to the NT, although since they believe it is the same God in both, you can certainly use the OT as a character reference for God. BTW, I thought Paul was anti-homosexual (among other fabulous traits), so I don't think that is on the table, even if you do leave out the OT.

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True, Paul might be anti-homosexual...but he isn't God, now is he?

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Whoops ! Meant for it all to be together here. For me, I think that the OT is observed when it is CONVENIENT. Didn't Jesus say he came to fulfill the law? I've been reading more this morning, and now I think that OT is to be followed, but that the NT showed how to follow spiritually and not just legally... Some people try to twist it around and say by fulfill the law, he means he IS the law, which I see as a cop out from following the OT.

 

Either way, I think it will be a fun season. I will just ask if it still considered okay to take 3 yr olds as wives, and sodomize/rape other men to bring humiliation and display dominance as the Mosaic laws had in place.

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Thanksgiving and Christmas are almost upon us, and of course, living in a town with at least 5

IF I decide to actually engage this year, there is the age old question of where to start at.

 

Why don't you open with prayer?

 

"Mighty Lucifer, Dread Lord of Darkness, we pray EKOR DOROK ZAGNAK DROO KORLAR . . . " zDuivel7.gif

 

Telemarketers can be fun too.

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Not yet, but if I ever get a solicitor I'm sure I can quickly improvise. It probably won't happen any time soon since I am back in Russia where there are no door-to-door proselytizers and have three locked doors between me and the street.

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True, Paul might be anti-homosexual...but he isn't God, now is he?

No, he wasn't. Nor did he ever know the living Jesus. He wrote 2/3rd's of the new testament based on what he felt inspired to say after he hallucinated having a conversation with the ghost of the risen Christ. jesus.gif

 

 

You could always get straight to the point when they knock on your door. Why engage in a dialog with people who will see you as damned, having been deceived and now residing in the clutches of the devil, if you try to introduce reason into the conversation and ask them to rethink the message they accept on blind faith.

 

Why waste your time with people who are so deep in irrationality that they actually believe they have to sell Jesus door to door, after presuming everyone is damned until they hear the good news?

 

Instead, why not open the door to the first group that knocks and first off, so as to save time, ask them for a pamphlet, which will have the address of the church that sent them in most cases. And then tell them that the no proselytizing stickers on your door and mailbox was intended to forewarn them not to trespass on your property. And that you'll be posting new signs as well that read, no trespassing violators will be prosecuted, so that the next time if they're dumb enough to violate that forewarning, now that you know where they come from (with the pamphlet address), you'll be filing a restraining order against the church and it's membership in future so that the next pack that knocks, not only is arrested but permits you to sue the church for harassment.

 

Get on with it. Be direct and tell them to get the hell away from you. They don't respect the no proselytizing stickers now, why be polite when they think you need saving despite the fact you're telling them you're not interested!

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True, Paul might be anti-homosexual...but he isn't God, now is he?

No, he wasn't. Nor did he ever know the living Jesus. He wrote 2/3rd's of the new testament based on what he felt inspired to say after he hallucinated having a conversation with the ghost of the risen Christ. jesus.gif

 

 

You could always get straight to the point when they knock on your door. Why engage in a dialog with people who will see you as damned, having been deceived and now residing in the clutches of the devil, if you try to introduce reason into the conversation and ask them to rethink the message they accept on blind faith.

 

Why waste your time with people who are so deep in irrationality that they actually believe they have to sell Jesus door to door, after presuming everyone is damned until they hear the good news?

 

Instead, why not open the door to the first group that knocks and first off, so as to save time, ask them for a pamphlet, which will have the address of the church that sent them in most cases. And then tell them that the no proselytizing stickers on your door and mailbox was intended to forewarn them not to trespass on your property. And that you'll be posting new signs as well that read, no trespassing violators will be prosecuted, so that the next time if they're dumb enough to violate that forewarning, now that you know where they come from (with the pamphlet address), you'll be filing a restraining order against the church and it's membership in future so that the next pack that knocks, not only is arrested but permits you to sue the church for harassment.

 

Get on with it. Be direct and tell them to get the hell away from you. They don't respect the no proselytizing stickers now, why be polite when they think you need saving despite the fact you're telling them you're not interested!

 

 

See that is where I am already at. I literally about punched someone at a fleamarket the other day when he walked up and started handing out pamphlets to myself and son. I said no thanks and he just kept trying. To me, you are infringing on my rights as a human being when I say no and you keep going. So, I vehemently shoved the pamphlet back at him. His buddy walks up and moved him on, but they looked at me like I was the one infringing when I really don't see it that way. That's why I worry if I engage, I'm going to seriously screw someone up. I get people confused all the time. They don't seem to get that I don't believe in a god, but I passionately HATE the instution of religion. Any religion.... I've really lost tolerance over the last few years.

 

Maybe it's menopause setting in.....HHhahahhaah

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Thanksgiving and Christmas are almost upon us, and of course, living in a town with at least 5

IF I decide to actually engage this year, there is the age old question of where to start at.

 

Why don't you open with prayer?

 

"Mighty Lucifer, Dread Lord of Darkness, we pray EKOR DOROK ZAGNAK DROO KORLAR . . . " zDuivel7.gif

 

Telemarketers can be fun too.

Ooh yeah, I have fun with telemarketers. I was asking a healthcare telemarketer the other day if they cover replacement sphincter cartilage replacement because I'm a porn actress and take it in the ass a lot. Dead silence, and then a click.

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Answer the door wearing only a witch hat and pasties.

Hmmnnn...even better....but kids are present lately ( I guess they need a shield of some type to feel protected).

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better yet take a page from your name. Like the scene in 28 days latter where the father transformed right before their eyes.

 

Stand there smiling

 

Then gradually start twitching

 

then stare blankly and moan BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNSSSSS!

 

If you could bust a ketchup packet in your mouth for effect that would be choice.

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better yet take a page from your name. Like the scene in 28 days latter where the father transformed right before their eyes.

 

Stand there smiling

 

Then gradually start twitching

 

then stare blankly and moan BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNSSSSS!

 

If you could bust a ketchup packet in your mouth for effect that would be choice.

Hahaha that would be good. Better still I could use one of my caplets and then *cough* and kind of splatter them with contagion....he he he... Noooo won't go that far...fun idea though! I have friends who suggest pepper spray, but that is assault....unless I put up the no trespass like the other poster suggested? Nooooo won't go that far either...

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Thanksgiving and Christmas are almost upon us, and of course, living in a town with at least 5 IF I decide to actually engage this year, there is the age old question of where to start at.
Why don't you open with prayer? "Mighty Lucifer, Dread Lord of Darkness, we pray EKOR DOROK ZAGNAK DROO KORLAR . . . " zDuivel7.gif Telemarketers can be fun too.
Ooh yeah, I have fun with telemarketers...

 

Here's an idea for ya. ;)

*edit video link*

http://youtu.be/-7OgWcwgB50 rotfl.gif

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Come to China! Religious zealots NEVER EVER knock on my door! jesus.gif Hehe.

Yeah but I don't need the police at my door over websites I visit either! LOL!

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Thanksgiving and Christmas are almost upon us, and of course, living in a town with at least 5 different churches in it, I will have the annoying flyers left in my mailbox, on my door, along with the knocking and invites to attend services. Forget the fact I have "no proselytizing" signs on said mailbox and door. I have half a mind to start filing harassment charges this year. I do my best to just NOT engage simply because I really don't want to rip these people to shreds for their obvious ignorance about what they are teaching and their blatant disregard of my signs...(but education is obviously lacking, they probably do not know what proselytizing means).

When I was a teenager we used to get these people all the time. I got tired of answering the door so I finally just told them, with a perfectly straight face, that we worshiped Satan. They turned pale white and left. Never bothered us again. My parents finally noticed that we had stopped getting the doorbell ringers. They'd see them on the street and noticed that they would skip our house. They get the houses on both sides and across the street but never us. Seems once you're in the power of Satan they spread the news and leave you alone...or so it worked out for us.

 

IF I decide to actually engage this year, there is the age old question of where to start at. And for that, I need some rules cleared up as far as OT and NT. Which is followed as the law and which is only used for reference? I mean, I thought the OT only applied to the Isrealites and those NOT saved by Christ, where as NT law is for those who have found Christ...which ironically means if I were to convert to Christianity, it would be okay to be gay/lesbian....because OT didn't apply to me anymore..but I digress.

 

Anyone have the actualy reasoning for the OT being included if everyone dismisses it as "old" law? Forget the fact they still quote the crap out of it to win an argument...even though at the same time I am told it is "old" law...

 

Man, how do people seriously buy in to this crap?

This isn't an easy question nowadays because different sects believe differently.

 

The OT law was just the law way back when. It was all there was. And since the society was a theocracy there is no point in trying to separate the religious from the secular. Like all theocracies it was THE law. Look to Islam today. It simply is the rules. So how is it that xianity could come along and say we're doing away with the religious rules if they are the laws of the land as well? It doesn't work. The land must be under some other set of rules. This is where Rome comes in and marginalizes the Jewish way of life and ultimately destroys it. Now you can have another way of doing things that has a Roman aspect and a Jewish aspect. A "secular" and "religious" as it were.

 

But can you just do away with the Hebrew bible (the OT)? Not really. It's where "jesus" is derived. He comes from the OT. Those prophets didn't know someone (or a number of someones) were going to take what they said on a number of other topics and use them to "create" a new lord. Without the OT "jesus" can't come into existence so it is vital that the OT stays a part of xianity. It also allows for the proofs that show that their religion is more ancient than the one it is based upon. So even though it is a new religion in the empire it is the revelation of the most ancient of religions and the OT texts demonstrate this. It's difficult to impossible to uncouple the OT from the new religion as a result.

 

When it comes to the "testament" aspect this is where you'll find things get a little more tricky. The testament is something that should be seen as an agreement or even a type of will (only here the person, or god, whose will it is isn't going to die for the whole thing to go into effect). So under the old agreement (the OT) that was for the Jews (Israelites). There were a ton of terms and conditions that needed to be upheld for that agreement to be honored. Along comes the new testament/agreement and this has another set of conditions. The thing is the NT is not the 27 books (give or take depending on your sect) in the bible. It's just the agreement (supposedly spelled out in those books but it's really not). It comes from the OT prophecy that says there will be a new testament:

Jeremiah 31

 

31 See, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new agreement with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah: 32 Not like the agreement which I made with their fathers, on the day when I took them by the hand to be their guide out of the land of Egypt; which agreement was broken by them, and I gave them up, says the Lord. 33 But this is the agreement which I will make with the people of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my law in their inner parts, writing it in their hearts; and I will be their God, and they will be my people. 34 And no longer will they be teaching every man his neighbour and every man his brother, saying, Get knowledge of the Lord: for they will all have knowledge of me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord: for they will have my forgiveness for their evil-doing, and their sin will go from my memory for ever. 35 These are the words of the Lord, who has given the sun for a light by day, ordering the moon and stars for a light by night, who puts the sea in motion, causing the thunder of its waves; the Lord of armies is his name. 36 If the order of these things before me is ever broken, says the Lord, then will the seed of Israel come to an end as a nation before me for ever.

And that's why "jesus" came only for Israel and Judah. But the whole thing fell apart and was destroyed so it got offered to everyone. What a deal (if you interpret it that way of course). The old was replaced with the new. There's also no need for a written NT or, more specifically, Torah or gospel, because these things are all innate now. They are written on the "heart." But that didn't work out and gospels and epistles got written because the HS was/is a horrible helper when it came to working this all out properly.

 

The point being that the old testament was gotten rid of and replaced but only if you think this bit of prophecy came to pass. If you didn't then the old rules still apply. If you're under the new rules then all the rules and regulations are actually written in your "heart" which translates to you can pull them out of your ass. More seriously you should be bound by the whole whatever god's law is. Whether that is the old Torah law (which logically makes sense since this god is supposedly unchanging and that law should be perfect) or something else altogether or a mixture we can't know. This doesn't say. The gospels indicate the old law wasn't supposed to change. So it seems it's in effect but they can make it up as they go based on what's in their "hearts."

 

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