Kaiser01 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 so as of today we joined a new church and for starters it was the most ocward thing i have done since i had to 'hug" every body after we joined. but the real kicker is that we are going to church four times a week now. we have morning service, 4:30 service, afternoon service and wensday night service. my dad preaches the 4:30 service and now he is preaching directly at me while the other services are at another church. tonight his mesage was directed torwed our discusion over the genocidal god and his argument was criticaly flawed. he first started by saying that all the polythiestic religions "decayed" into polytheist from monotheism even though there is NO count of a polytheistic religion comming from a monotheistic one. the second he argued was that god was justified in killing children becuase of what their fathers did. this outright appaled me and just reminded me how morally bankrupt the religion really is. the sickest thing is, is when he said this half of the church said amen. i think the biggest flaw in his argument was the fact that god is supposed to be omnipotent, and omnibelevolant. i think there is irony in all this though that most christians go to church maby once a week while a atheist is having to go to church 4 times a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wester Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 You are a soldier, sir. You have my empathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kruszer Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Just don't be a rebellious son, whatever you do! According to the Bible they'd have to stone you! On second thought, maybe you should get stoned - might make church more interesting. Tell your dad you're going to the 4:20 service and see how he reacts 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positivist Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 tonithe second he argued was that god was justified in killing children becuase of what their fathers did. this outright appaled me and just reminded me how morally bankrupt the religion really is. the sickest thing is, is when he said this half of the church said amen. Ugh. Christianity diminishes our compassion and makes genocide socially acceptable. Hang in there! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadedAtheist Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Dude, you gotta get out of it. Once a week is horrible enough as it is, let alone 4 times. Even as a Christian going to all the Christian events got a little too much for me and I had to start cutting things out. Just tell 'em you need time out because if anything, it's pushing you further away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I wouldn't be able to take it. I don't know how anyone could especially knowing it's not true. I might suggest getting a part time job or some other activity so you could avoid the whole mess? Even at minimum wage it should be better than getting crapped on for free. Just be sure to get scheduled for all the same time as the services or you're doubling down on your pain. mwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Dude, you gotta get out of it. Once a week is horrible enough as it is, let alone 4 times. Even as a Christian going to all the Christian events got a little too much for me and I had to start cutting things out. Just tell 'em you need time out because if anything, it's pushing you further away. Kaiser I agree with JA here man. Isn't there any way you could maybe get out of 2 of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue elephant Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 This too shall pass! Only you know what the best strategy is to move forward from here. I did have one perverse thought though. If yours is one of those churches with a free time for giving testimonies, you could give your true testimony. I would reckon that there will be quite a bit of spiritual pride attached your fathers view of himself as a preacher. Having his son tell how things really are would be embarrassing for him. BUT Christians are reputed to value telling the truth, so you are within your rights to do so. However, at the back of my mind, I wonder about all spiritual pride erupting into violence. Again, if you are financially dependent on them, you should act strategically rather than just blasting off with what might feel emotionally good at the time. Earplugs for the sermons could be an interesting idea btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will02 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Kaiser: Is there anyplace you can go or anyone else you can stay with for awhile? You really should get out of that situation. Things are just going to get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godless Dave Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I'm pretty sure Wednesday night services originated as an option for people who had to work on Sundays. That's why going to church Sunday AND Wednesday seems so whacked to me. But if you're running a cult, you want people under your influence as much as possible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 so as of today we joined a new church and for starters it was the most ocward thing i have done since i had to 'hug" every body after we joined. but the real kicker is that we are going to church four times a week now. we have morning service, 4:30 service, afternoon service and wensday night service. my dad preaches the 4:30 service and now he is preaching directly at me while the other services are at another church. tonight his mesage was directed torwed our discusion over the genocidal god and his argument was criticaly flawed. he first started by saying that all the polythiestic religions "decayed" into polytheist from monotheism even though there is NO count of a polytheistic religion comming from a monotheistic one. the second he argued was that god was justified in killing children becuase of what their fathers did. this outright appaled me and just reminded me how morally bankrupt the religion really is. the sickest thing is, is when he said this half of the church said amen. i think the biggest flaw in his argument was the fact that god is supposed to be omnipotent, and omnibelevolant. i think there is irony in all this though that most christians go to church maby once a week while a atheist is having to go to church 4 times a week. "Oh , father I see your wisdom...I have chosen my path....I would like to kill people just like our Lord God did there in chapter blah blah: verse blah blah....yes, my father the Lord God has put it on my heart to kill certain people....." I guess it's probably not a good thing to say that to your Dad or he might commit you. Of course it's ok if God is a fucking psychopath....it's even ok to preach loving genocide in church...but if you want to be just like God, you can be committed to a mental institution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Maybe get into the youth group and suggest you and some other youths go door to door peddling religion in place of one of these church services...you could spearhead the project....and pick people to be on your team that you know could give a shit less, then basically screw around while you are out on the street. Make sure you throw away lots of flyers so it looks like you've been busy saving souls. Just keep an eye out for your parents while you are out and about. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeasabird Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Do they not realize the harder they pull on you the more you will pull away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddbird1963 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Wow! I go to church maybe twice a year. Each time I go I think my head is going to explode from all the b.s. I see and hear. You have my unwavering respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeplessGhost Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I am so sorry Kaiser.... It gets better with time, especially when you move out. I don't know how long that is for you, but the day will come. Hang in there and keep the (non)faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
older Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Someone in another thread had a similar predicament and a respondent suggested that he or she consider the situation as a sociological or anthropological study. You could go and take notes about what you observe there, and the behavior of the people, the details of the building, and so on. While that won't bring back the time you lost, at least it might give you something to do and help you maintain your sanity. Just pretend that you are in the middle of a strange culture somewhere up the Amazon river (you really are in the middle of a strange culture, all that's missing is the river). If your folks ask what you are doing, just tell them that you are taking notes about the sermon (which would be true). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue elephant Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 If you are going to listen to the sermon, taking notes on the sermon and other weird behaviour would be a way to cope. We would all love to read your observations. BUT, is it possible to zone out for the sermons? OR, take some notes on the sermons, but on another page of the notebook, plan out your essays and assignments for your school work, make 'to do' lists etc etc. Use that time wisely. If you are a musician, you could write the lyrics to some songs and even draw up a stave to write some melody lines. Think creatively about what to do with that time man! And don't forget to do well at school. It is probably the key to getting out of this situation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 so as of today we joined a new church and for starters it was the most ocward thing i have done since i had to 'hug" every body after we joined. but the real kicker is that we are going to church four times a week now. we have morning service, 4:30 service, afternoon service and wensday night service. my dad preaches the 4:30 service and now he is preaching directly at me while the other services are at another church. tonight his mesage was directed torwed our discusion over the genocidal god and his argument was criticaly flawed. he first started by saying that all the polythiestic religions "decayed" into polytheist from monotheism even though there is NO count of a polytheistic religion comming from a monotheistic one. the second he argued was that god was justified in killing children becuase of what their fathers did. this outright appaled me and just reminded me how morally bankrupt the religion really is. the sickest thing is, is when he said this half of the church said amen. i think the biggest flaw in his argument was the fact that god is supposed to be omnipotent, and omnibelevolant. i think there is irony in all this though that most christians go to church maby once a week while a atheist is having to go to church 4 times a week. Consider practicing some psi techniques. http://pyroar.tripod.com/id3.html Then make a psi ball that causes your Dad to itch or blink or something to irritate him. Practice bugging the crap out of him during your forced church time. Psychically screw with other people in the congregation. At the bare minimum you will have fun in your imagination. Who knows, you may develop some PK. or.... develop your imagination so well that you can appear to be looking at your Dad while you are somewhere else completely. Think about OBE or Remote Viewing. Your only private place is your mind right now so make it a great place to be. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 my dad preaches the 4:30 service and now he is preaching directly at me while the other services are at another church. tonight his mesage was directed torwed our discusion . . . Ouch I feel for you. Maybe you shouldn't have any more theological discussions. Keep him in the dark about your opinions and it won't give him any ammo to use against you. If he want to talk to you listen and nod but don't contribute. Listen without giving him any of your ideas. If everything you say will be used against you why bother? . . . over the genocidal god and his argument was criticaly flawed. he first started by saying that all the polythiestic religions "decayed" into polytheist from monotheism even though there is NO count of a polytheistic religion comming from a monotheistic one. the second he argued was that god was justified in killing children becuase of what their fathers did. this outright appaled me and just reminded me how morally bankrupt the religion really is. the sickest thing is, is when he said this half of the church said amen. I think we need to witness that to remind ourselves where we came from and why we had to leave. Sometimes I can't believe I use to be a Christian. I envy you for waking up so young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 or.... develop your imagination so well that you can appear to be looking at your Dad while you are somewhere else completely. Think about OBE or Remote Viewing. Your only private place is your mind right now so make it a great place to be. :-) I'm a history fan so I like to play "What If" while I pretend to listen to the sermon. I will pick an event. Imagine something happened differently. And then project what other possible changes might have resulted. For example I might imagine what if the U.S. lost the Battle of Midway in 1942? I imagine the IJN launching a strike of bomb armed torpedo planes at the US carriers. Then I predict what the results might have been. By the time the sermon ends my game has ran it's course and I'm not angry like I would have been if I had listened. So far nobody seems to notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser01 Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 or.... develop your imagination so well that you can appear to be looking at your Dad while you are somewhere else completely. Think about OBE or Remote Viewing. Your only private place is your mind right now so make it a great place to be. :-) I'm a history fan so I like to play "What If" while I pretend to listen to the sermon. I will pick an event. Imagine something happened differently. And then project what other possible changes might have resulted. For example I might imagine what if the U.S. lost the Battle of Midway in 1942? I imagine the IJN launching a strike of bomb armed torpedo planes at the US carriers. Then I predict what the results might have been. By the time the sermon ends my game has ran it's course and I'm not angry like I would have been if I had listened. So far nobody seems to notice. yea i love "what if" history in fact i write essays on alternate history scenerios. i have tried things like that in the sermon but i get to cought up in having to disagree with the preacher when he says somthing that makes me mad. but i geuss its good actualy becuase it alows me to sharpen my own arguments agianst the religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 yea i love "what if" history in fact i write essays on alternate history scenerios. i have tried things like that in the sermon but i get to cought up in having to disagree with the preacher when he says somthing that makes me mad. but i geuss its good actualy becuase it alows me to sharpen my own arguments agianst the religion. Well to each his own. I keep my arguments against Christianity online because in real life too many feathers get ruffled. I don't need the stress of a relative or former friend getting in my face and turning red and screaming at me and then all the drama and hate and grudges . . . and on and on. I just take it on faith that nothing I say will change their minds. Of course that has been my experience as well. I was debating for years on other sites even before I became an ex-Christian and I can't think of a single Christian who changed their mind because of any argument I ever made. Christianity causes closed mindedness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue elephant Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I presume you are not actually going to stand up and respond to whatever nonsense is in the sermon, so why bother listening? I suppose you may need to keep listening for a while though - just to reinforce your view about what a load of hogwash it all is. Are you making realistic plans that will assist you to move on from this situation? Are you getting some Ex-C members to review those plans - perhaps by private message or from your school email address? If you aren't - you should be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedah Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I've gone to church once in the last year and purposefully stayed up the night before I knew I was going so that I could sleep the entire way through the whole service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser01 Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 yea i love "what if" history in fact i write essays on alternate history scenerios. i have tried things like that in the sermon but i get to cought up in having to disagree with the preacher when he says somthing that makes me mad. but i geuss its good actualy becuase it alows me to sharpen my own arguments agianst the religion. Well to each his own. I keep my arguments against Christianity online because in real life too many feathers get ruffled. I don't need the stress of a relative or former friend getting in my face and turning red and screaming at me and then all the drama and hate and grudges . . . and on and on. I just take it on faith that nothing I say will change their minds. Of course that has been my experience as well. I was debating for years on other sites even before I became an ex-Christian and I can't think of a single Christian who changed their mind because of any argument I ever made. Christianity causes closed mindedness. lol i dont actualy confront the preacher! i just mean i disagee in my own mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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