Found This On My Facebook This Afternoon!

[Luv2knit]

I don't mess with Facebook, but the whole concept of praying for others is just plain stupid. These people need to stop and think for a little bit:

 

(1) Are you informing God of something that he did not know about the person?

(2) Are you persuading God to help someone he otherwise would not have wanted to help?

(3) Are you giving God power to help someone he otherwise could not help?

 

If you can answer "yes" to any of those, then at least one of the "omni" characteristics of the Christian God is undermined (omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipotent).

If you cannot answer "yes" to any of those, then the prayer is useless.

 

 

 

”Prayer is not overcoming God's reluctance, but laying hold of His willingness.” Martin Luther

 

So, God's willing but won't do something for someone until you lay hold of it (pray for the individual)? What kind of a will is it that needs prodded?

 

It's a tad ironic that you'd want to jump in here and comment on the subject in this thread when you *refused* to answer my questions in the other thread (thus indicating that you knew you hadn't any logical leg to stand on).

 

 

I answered them but like Cain, you want the answer you want and not what God/the bible says.

 

Cits, how come you didn't stop by to say happy new year at the beginning of the month and exchange friendly virtual hugs? ( Centauri too)

 

 

 

 

 

I quit paying close attention to that thread. It was completely pointless.

 

I wasn't talking about that thread, I was talking about putting our differences aside for a moment and greeting each other in a sort of friendly way.

 

I thought maybe you would have stopped by here: http://www.ex-christ...ear-is-a-comin/

 

This is so frustrating!!! So condescending. . .the very reason why I don't want to have a discussion with friends about my beliefs. There is no sign of compassion and understanding for what each of us have had to deal with to get to the place where we are. There is a lot of fear and guilt to work through because of the mind job we have endured for so long. You have no idea and it really infurates people here, it infurates me! It's not that we are angry people. But there is only so much you can put up with until you just get angry for a moment. We come here because we want to find others who are going through the same thing. We just need to heal and work through issues. We don't need people coming in here and viewing us as a mission field.

 

It is always assumed that we have this agenda to be evil, selfish, and immoral if we step outside of Christianity. For me, leaving Christianity was like being in a smoked filled room that was hard to breathe in. I finally stepped outside for a breathe of fresh air after many years of trying to tell myself it was heathy and I could breathe. I have no intention of going back in because it would be unhealthy and frankly, I like fresh air! Please stop assuming you know why we are the way we are. You have no idea. You only assume what you have been taught to assume. We all know this too be true because we have been there!

 

I'm sorry, I just couldn't keep that in anymore! Man! I'll be quiet now.

[Guest Valk0010]

I don't mess with Facebook, but the whole concept of praying for others is just plain stupid. These people need to stop and think for a little bit:

 

(1) Are you informing God of something that he did not know about the person?

(2) Are you persuading God to help someone he otherwise would not have wanted to help?

(3) Are you giving God power to help someone he otherwise could not help?

 

If you can answer "yes" to any of those, then at least one of the "omni" characteristics of the Christian God is undermined (omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipotent).

If you cannot answer "yes" to any of those, then the prayer is useless.

 

 

 

”Prayer is not overcoming God's reluctance, but laying hold of His willingness.” Martin Luther

 

Cits, how come you didn't stop by to say happy new year at the beginning of the month and exchange friendly virtual hugs? ( Centauri too)

Whatever happened to ask anything in my name?

 

Hi Valk.

 

If "anything" is in accordance with God's will then God will grant it.

So its a hit or miss, no wonder, pray for the sick doesn't work. Kind of hard to take a loving guy seriously when he lets people starve. I can't think of a human being that would be allowed to get away with that, but with god, he gets a free ride. Makes no sense to me.

 

When people call out to God He hears and answers maybe not in the way some will expect. I have heard of achurch member who was being starved and abused by communist atheists but he prayed and God got a cat to bring bread to the prisoner. It was the atheist's cat that brought the food from the atheist.

I got a deed to the golden gate bridge you can pm me for!!!

 

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No seriously if your going to believe every little anecedotal story you hear about a church member, you going to have to be gullible enough to actually believe I got a deed to the golden gate bridge.

[Thumbelina]

I don't mess with Facebook, but the whole concept of praying for others is just plain stupid. These people need to stop and think for a little bit:

 

(1) Are you informing God of something that he did not know about the person?

(2) Are you persuading God to help someone he otherwise would not have wanted to help?

(3) Are you giving God power to help someone he otherwise could not help?

 

If you can answer "yes" to any of those, then at least one of the "omni" characteristics of the Christian God is undermined (omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipotent).

If you cannot answer "yes" to any of those, then the prayer is useless.

 

 

 

”Prayer is not overcoming God's reluctance, but laying hold of His willingness.” Martin Luther

 

So, God's willing but won't do something for someone until you lay hold of it (pray for the individual)? What kind of a will is it that needs prodded?

 

It's a tad ironic that you'd want to jump in here and comment on the subject in this thread when you *refused* to answer my questions in the other thread (thus indicating that you knew you hadn't any logical leg to stand on).

 

 

I answered them but like Cain, you want the answer you want and not what God/the bible says.

 

Cits, how come you didn't stop by to say happy new year at the beginning of the month and exchange friendly virtual hugs? ( Centauri too)

 

 

I quit paying close attention to that thread. It was completely pointless.

 

I wasn't talking about that thread, I was talking about putting our differences aside for a moment and greeting each other in a sort of friendly way.

 

I thought maybe you would have stopped by here: http://www.ex-christ...ear-is-a-comin/

 

This is so frustrating!!! So condescending. . .the very reason why I don't want to have a discussion with friends about my beliefs. There is no sign of compassion and understanding for what each of us have had to deal with to get to the place where we are. There is a lot of fear and guilt to work through because of the mind job we have endured for so long. You have no idea and it really infurates people here, it infurates me! It's not that we are angry people. But there is only so much you can put up with until you just get angry for a moment. We come here because we want to find others who are going through the same thing. We just need to heal and work through issues. We don't need people coming in here and viewing us as a mission field.

 

It is always assumed that we have this agenda to be evil, selfish, and immoral if we step outside of Christianity. For me, leaving Christianity was like being in a smoked filled room that was hard to breathe in. I finally stepped outside for a breathe of fresh air after many years of trying to tell myself it was heathy and I could breathe. I have no intention of going back in because it would be unhealthy and frankly, I like fresh air! Please stop assuming you know why we are the way we are. You have no idea. You only assume what you have been taught to assume. We all know this too be true because we have been there!

 

I'm sorry, I just couldn't keep that in anymore! Man! I'll be quiet now.

 

I'm sorry about your pain.

 

Your rant has nothing to do with what i was discussing with Cits however. I'm sorry I used your thread to talk to Cits about past convos. I just was glad to see he was around and wanted to greet him.

[Thumbelina]

I don't mess with Facebook, but the whole concept of praying for others is just plain stupid. These people need to stop and think for a little bit:

 

(1) Are you informing God of something that he did not know about the person?

(2) Are you persuading God to help someone he otherwise would not have wanted to help?

(3) Are you giving God power to help someone he otherwise could not help?

 

If you can answer "yes" to any of those, then at least one of the "omni" characteristics of the Christian God is undermined (omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipotent).

If you cannot answer "yes" to any of those, then the prayer is useless.

 

 

 

”Prayer is not overcoming God's reluctance, but laying hold of His willingness.” Martin Luther

 

Cits, how come you didn't stop by to say happy new year at the beginning of the month and exchange friendly virtual hugs? ( Centauri too)

Whatever happened to ask anything in my name?

 

Hi Valk.

 

If "anything" is in accordance with God's will then God will grant it.

So its a hit or miss, no wonder, pray for the sick doesn't work. Kind of hard to take a loving guy seriously when he lets people starve. I can't think of a human being that would be allowed to get away with that, but with god, he gets a free ride. Makes no sense to me.

 

When people call out to God He hears and answers maybe not in the way some will expect. I have heard of achurch member who was being starved and abused by communist atheists but he prayed and God got a cat to bring bread to the prisoner. It was the atheist's cat that brought the food from the atheist.

I got a deed to the golden gate bridge you can pm me for!!!

 

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No seriously if your going to believe every little anecedotal story you hear about a church member, you going to have to be gullible enough to actually believe I got a deed to the golden gate bridge.

 

I know some people tell whoppers, one man was caught giving a phony testimony on national television. He was a scam artist that wanted money.

 

I had my own personal experiences with God so I'm a believer.

[Luv2knit]

Apology accepted! I am a calm and kind person. This just got under my skin.

[Thumbelina]

Apology accepted! I am a calm and kind person. This just got under my skin.

 

I realize some of you are weary of the Christian jargon.

[mymistake]

End started a thread in ToT that I wanted to engage him and/or others in, it's basically a neutral topic; I was supposed to get back to that one. You don't have to talk about the bible if YOU don't want to but there are others that do want to, do you understand this?

 

Yes. You are going to continue to blather about your imagination and delusions. And in response people are going to continue to point out why that is nonsense. I understand completely. Please don't pretend you are being reasonable. You can end this at any time. You can agree to disagree but you won't.

[expat674]

If Christians really cared about people, why don't they stop talking to their imaginary friend in the sky and pick up the telephone and speak to the people they are praying for who they think are hurting?

 

Or, here is a really big challenge for you Thumbelina, stop giving money to the church and give it human organisations who are trying desperately to stop millions of people dying of hunger in East Africa?

[mymistake]

Can someone who is eating a piece of delicious chocolate cake cause another person who is not eating the cake experience it without the other person taking a piece of it for themselves and eating it?

 

If somebody was eating chocolate cake then the rest of us could see it and smell it. If we picked up the plate we could feel or even measure how heavy it was.

 

You just sit there with an empty plate and pretend to each cake with your pretend fork. You say it's delicious. But we see no cake. We smell no cake. There is no discoloration on your teeth. You never have traces of frosting on your lips. It's clear what is going on.

[Luv2knit]

Apology accepted! I am a calm and kind person. This just got under my skin.

 

I realize some of you are weary of the Christian jargon.

 

If you realize this, then forgive me for asking,then why do you come here and use the jargon anyway? That is insensitive. I used to do things that I knew offended unbelievers because I felt I could because I knew the truth. Wrong, so wrong. We need to have compassion even when we don't agree.

[Thumbelina]

Apology accepted! I am a calm and kind person. This just got under my skin.

 

I realize some of you are weary of the Christian jargon.

 

If you realize this, then forgive me for asking,then why do you come here and use the jargon anyway? That is insensitive. I used to do things that I knew offended unbelievers because I felt I could because I knew the truth. Wrong, so wrong. We need to have compassion even when we don't agree.

 

I bolded SOME. Some ex Christians can still spar with us Christians, it can be quite interesting. Besides when we don't come by they complain and wish that Christians will post lol. Also they start infighting when there are no Christians tro attack lol.

 

N.B. Christians see you guys as Harry Truman's . I think many Christians do mean well but we need to be sensitive to the more sensitive folks.

 

If you don't want me to post in your thread then I won't, OK.

[Luv2knit]

1. I never said you couldn't comment in my thread.

2. You didn't answer my question.

[Thumbelina]

If Christians really cared about people, why don't they stop talking to their imaginary friend in the sky and pick up the telephone and speak to the people they are praying for who they think are hurting?

 

Or, here is a really big challenge for you Thumbelina, stop giving money to the church and give it human organisations who are trying desperately to stop millions of people dying of hunger in East Africa?

 

Did you not see Bill Clinton and George Bush being happy that it was the people of faith that helped and is helping the people in Haiti the most? There are a lot of good outreach programs out there and believers do help and encourage others, there just need to be MORE of it.

Ha, there's this spunky Australian Pastor who was so annoyed by ask it and grasp it preachers and he said the prosperity gospel does not work in Russia and it DEFINITELY does not work in India.

 

Look at this article and see who eventually helped this lady: http://abclocal.go.c...side&id=8415070

[Thumbelina]

1. I never said you couldn't comment in my thread.

2. You didn't answer my question.

 

I did answer.

 

I said believers see you as going to die (like Truman) and they want to prevent that.

 

SOME ex Christians still use the jargon and SOME don't mind Christians using it. In my experience on here it's usually female that complain the most about it and get all emotional ( I realize some were abused ). The males that complain just don't seem to be as sensitive, they tell you off one minute then the next they are back to debating *shakes head*

[Luv2knit]

1. I never said you couldn't comment in my thread.

2. You didn't answer my question.

 

I did answer.

 

I said believers see you as going to die (like Truman) and they want to prevent that.

 

SOME ex Christians still use the jargon and SOME don't mind Christians using it. In my experience on here it's usually female that complain the most about it and get all emotional. The males that complain just don't seem to be as sensitive, they tell you off one minute then the next they are back to debating *shakes head*

 

So then that gives you permission to be insensitive? You didn't answer why you personally feel you can still do this. You answered with what others think, unless of course you agree. I'm just trying to get my head around this. It's just so weird seeing it all from this side now because I used to be the same way. I have written to non believing family members apologing for my behavior when I was a Christian. Man, that has been powerful! I'm not being sensitive, I am standing up for the first time in my life! I am not going to be made to feel like I am the one in the wrong anymore. I really don't care what you believe. Whatever makes you happy, seriously. Just be sensitive to others around you. And yes, we are ALL going to die some day. Every last one of us. What happens after that is anybodies' guess. There is no absolute proof past that. Despite what any one believes on a daily basis. Right now, I'm enjoying the life I have before me.

[Thumbelina]

1. I never said you couldn't comment in my thread.

2. You didn't answer my question.

 

I did answer.

 

I said believers see you as going to die (like Truman) and they want to prevent that.

 

SOME ex Christians still use the jargon and SOME don't mind Christians using it. In my experience on here it's usually female that complain the most about it and get all emotional. The males that complain just don't seem to be as sensitive, they tell you off one minute then the next they are back to debating *shakes head*

 

So then that gives you permission to be insensitive? You didn't answer why you personally feel you can still do this. You answered with what others think, unless of course you agree. I'm just trying to get my head around this. It's just so weird seeing it all from this side now because I used to be the same way. I have written to non believing family members apologing for my behavior when I was a Christian. Man, that has been powerful! I'm not being sensitive, I am standing up for the first time in my life! I am not going to be made to feel like I am the one in the wrong anymore. I really don't care what you believe. Whatever makes you happy, seriously. Just be sensitive to others around you. And yes, we are ALL going to die some day. Every last one of us. What happens after that is anybodies' guess. There is no absolute proof past that. Despite what any one believes on a daily basis. Right now, I'm enjoying the life I have before me.

 

You are speaking emotionally. Anyone who does not want to read what Christians write is able to ignore them. SOME people on here do WANT to talk to Christians about their belief. I do agree with you about Christians needing to be sensitive; sometimes we have to learn through experience. There are some people on here that actually do like a good tussle with a Christian.

 

When I say die, I mean miss out on heaven and eternity.

[Luv2knit]

Wow, where is my knitting bag! I need some yarn therapy after that.

[ireckinso]

[Thumbelina] "The bible said that there will be false teachings out there so Christians will be able to detect the cakes with turd pieces mixed in and avoid them and they will see the pure chocolate cake and eat that instead."

 

Word of advice, never answer a question with the starting phrase, "The bible said, or the bible says." We do not believe the bible to be worth anymore than a comic book. Its fiction to us, so quoting it is like quoting beavus and butthead. When you say, "I heard of this person," or "someone told me," then you again are not answering anything with your personal experience or what you believe. You are just side shifting by using third party BS.

[Thumbelina]

[Thumbelina] "The bible said that there will be false teachings out there so Christians will be able to detect the cakes with turd pieces mixed in and avoid them and they will see the pure chocolate cake and eat that instead."

 

Word of advice, never answer a question with the starting phrase, "The bible said, or the bible says." We do not believe the bible to be worth anymore than a comic book. Its fiction to us, so quoting it is like quoting beavus and butthead. When you say, "I heard of this person," or "someone told me," then you again are not answering anything with your personal experience or what you believe. You are just side shifting by using third party BS.

 

I know you don't believe the bible but unbelievers tend to love misquoting it. The ex Christians were using bible quotes to me. Unbelievers do what you accuse believers of doing, it's just a different type of religion. Unbelievers argue against Christianity based on their personal experiences and anecdotes so why should believers believe that? <-- *rhetorical question* based on logic, I know some people were hurt. I am not going to argue here, OK.

[★ Citsonga ★]

”Prayer is not overcoming God's reluctance, but laying hold of His willingness.” Martin Luther

 

So, God's willing but won't do something for someone until you lay hold of it (pray for the individual)? What kind of a will is it that needs prodded?

 

It's a tad ironic that you'd want to jump in here and comment on the subject in this thread when you *refused* to answer my questions in the other thread (thus indicating that you knew you hadn't any logical leg to stand on).

 

I answered them but like Cain, you want the answer you want and not what God/the bible says.

 

(1) No, you did not answer them all. They were true or false questions, but you *refused* to answer them and gave silly excuses and whacked out reasoning. Why? It's rather obvious. You could not answer the questions because it would reveal the flaws in your reasoning.

 

(2) No, I am NOT like Cain. I am a real person, not a character in a myth. Beyond that, comparing me to a murderer just because we disagree is quite LOW, Thumby.

 

(3) Yes, I certainly *would* want an answer from god if said god exists. If he does and wants to answer, then he's more than welcome to. The ball is in his court. You pretending to speak for a god who would be perfectly capable of speaking for himself will not cut it. A big boy doesn't need to hide and have someone else do his bidding for him.

 

(4) Indeed, I no longer care much for what the Bible says, because it is nothing more than a collection of primitive writings by misguided people, loaded with serious problems. Thus, what the Bible says matters about as much to me as what the Koran says.

 

Cits, how come you didn't stop by to say happy new year at the beginning of the month and exchange friendly virtual hugs? ( Centauri too)

 

 

I quit paying close attention to that thread. It was completely pointless.

 

I wasn't talking about that thread, I was talking about putting our differences aside for a moment and greeting each other in a sort of friendly way.

 

I thought maybe you would have stopped by here: http://www.ex-christ...ear-is-a-comin/

 

I never saw that thread. I almost never go on the Off Topic forum.

 

You didn't hunt me down to wish me Happy New Year, so why would you think that I should go out of my way to find you and wish you a Happy New Year, especially when you have had the audacity to falsely accuse us nonbelievers of being "Satanists"?

[Guest Valk0010]

I don't mess with Facebook, but the whole concept of praying for others is just plain stupid. These people need to stop and think for a little bit:

 

(1) Are you informing God of something that he did not know about the person?

(2) Are you persuading God to help someone he otherwise would not have wanted to help?

(3) Are you giving God power to help someone he otherwise could not help?

 

If you can answer "yes" to any of those, then at least one of the "omni" characteristics of the Christian God is undermined (omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipotent).

If you cannot answer "yes" to any of those, then the prayer is useless.

 

 

 

”Prayer is not overcoming God's reluctance, but laying hold of His willingness.” Martin Luther

 

Cits, how come you didn't stop by to say happy new year at the beginning of the month and exchange friendly virtual hugs? ( Centauri too)

Whatever happened to ask anything in my name?

 

Hi Valk.

 

If "anything" is in accordance with God's will then God will grant it.

So its a hit or miss, no wonder, pray for the sick doesn't work. Kind of hard to take a loving guy seriously when he lets people starve. I can't think of a human being that would be allowed to get away with that, but with god, he gets a free ride. Makes no sense to me.

 

When people call out to God He hears and answers maybe not in the way some will expect. I have heard of achurch member who was being starved and abused by communist atheists but he prayed and God got a cat to bring bread to the prisoner. It was the atheist's cat that brought the food from the atheist.

I got a deed to the golden gate bridge you can pm me for!!!

 

----------------------------------------

 

No seriously if your going to believe every little anecedotal story you hear about a church member, you going to have to be gullible enough to actually believe I got a deed to the golden gate bridge.

 

I know some people tell whoppers, one man was caught giving a phony testimony on national television. He was a scam artist that wanted money.

 

I had my own personal experiences with God so I'm a believer.

Still gullible if you ask me.

[Prestissimo]

Unbelievers do what you accuse believers of doing, it's just a different type of religion. Unbelievers argue against Christianity based on their personal experiences and anecdotes so why should believers believe that? <-- *rhetorical question* based on logic, I know some people were hurt. I am not going to argue here, OK.

 

You should seriously look up the definition of religion.

 

You don't have to believe our believes. It's just that we can pose evidence-based arguments where you have weak answers.

Some history: In ancient times God carried the sun around the earth, he created storm when he was angry, he was personally responsible for making it rain, he punished people with illness etc..

If you said in old times that you believed in God, you wouldn't find many sceptics, after all it made sense that something was controlling these things.

 

Yet, with the development of our knowledge about the world we no longer attribute these happenings to God. How many christians that are ill think it is punishment from God these days? How many still believe the earth is all there is and God is just orbiting the planets around it? How many christians believe hell is "below" the surface of the earth, and "heaven" is above, while we now know the earth is round?

It's because of Evidence! You can find photo's of the earth taken from outer space to see it is round, we can predict weather, etc.. That's no reason too believe, I agree. The pictures of the earth could somehow be fake, or deceiving because we don't see how the light is bending by Gods mysterious will; while it is actually flat. But what is easier to believe??

This is exactly and I mean EXACTLY why you could start doubting your religion.

 

Our evidence was so convincing that we simply couldn't believe the stories anymore that we grew up with or grew into.

The only evidence you have is your personal experience. Yet, moslims have that same personal experience, Pagans do, people performing wikka acts feel very strong emotions and powers. Yet it all contradicts if it was all true! And these feelings can be imitated by drugs etc.. Your emotions, eventhough they feel very real, are not a real proof.

 

We know where you came from, we all believed at some point in our lives (ex-christians, not just unbelievers). You might think we were somehow never true christians for leaving.. but think of the possibility that we were convinced by evidence. You know how strong your faith is, it's almost impossible to get out of your believe system. You probably don't even want to leave. Some of us didn't want to leave (according to some of the testimonies I read). Many people tried desperately to be a good christian, to keep the faith, they didn't choose to leave, but there is a point where you just have to admit it no longer makes sense and the new truths you find make a lot more sense...

I remember it was hard to deal with my fear of hell, even though it was against all logic and reason that it could exist. It took time, and knowledge before I could truly deal with that. When I really left I was relieved, I never felt happier in my life. As if God what telling me: Welcome to the "real" world

 

You believe the earth is created in 6 days and defy the theory of evolution (mind you 'theory means something else in a scientific context'), while it is most certainly proven! We are as certain of evolution as we are of a round earth. Is it that hard to believe we don't need God in the picture any more?

I point out evolution, but this is just one of the many things i could propose to look into.

[ireckinso]

Personal experiences are a bit more believable.

 

[Thumbelina]"You are speaking emotionally." @ Luv2knit.

 

So? Christians spend most of their time being emotional for God, isn't that what its all about letting god into your heart?

[expat674]

Thumbelina,

 

I know some Christians help and encourage others, but all too often people who are hurting are met with platitudes or even worse judgment, like suggesting that their suffering is there fault.

[Thumbelina]

”Prayer is not overcoming God's reluctance, but laying hold of His willingness.” Martin Luther

 

So, God's willing but won't do something for someone until you lay hold of it (pray for the individual)? What kind of a will is it that needs prodded?

 

It's a tad ironic that you'd want to jump in here and comment on the subject in this thread when you *refused* to answer my questions in the other thread (thus indicating that you knew you hadn't any logical leg to stand on).

 

I answered them but like Cain, you want the answer you want and not what God/the bible says.

 

(1) No, you did not answer them all. They were true or false questions, but you *refused* to answer them and gave silly excuses and whacked out reasoning. Why? It's rather obvious. You could not answer the questions because it would reveal the flaws in your reasoning.

 

(2) No, I am NOT like Cain. I am a real person, not a character in a myth. Beyond that, comparing me to a murderer just because we disagree is quite LOW, Thumby.

 

(3) Yes, I certainly *would* want an answer from god if said god exists. If he does and wants to answer, then he's more than welcome to. The ball is in his court. You pretending to speak for a god who would be perfectly capable of speaking for himself will not cut it. Got it?

 

(4) Indeed, I no longer care much for what the Bible says, because it is nothing more than a collection of primitive writings by misguided people, loaded with serious problems. Thus, what theh Bible says matters about as much to me as what the Koran says.

 

Cits, how come you didn't stop by to say happy new year at the beginning of the month and exchange friendly virtual hugs? ( Centauri too)

 

 

I quit paying close attention to that thread. It was completely pointless.

 

I wasn't talking about that thread, I was talking about putting our differences aside for a moment and greeting each other in a sort of friendly way.

 

I thought maybe you would have stopped by here: http://www.ex-christ...ear-is-a-comin/

 

I never saw that thread. I almost never go on the Off Topic forum.

 

You didn't hunt me down to wish me Happy New Year, so why would you think that I should go out of my way to find you and wish you a Happy New Year, especially when you have had the audacity to falsely accuse us nonbelievers of being "Satanists"?

 

Cits, you're somewhat mad at me?

 

I gave you answers based on what the bible says, you do not take the bible as the word of God so you won't be able to understand certain concepts, it will be foolishness to you.

 

I don't mean you are a murderer, I meant that you put your own reasoning above what the [edit] Word of God says, Cain did that too. In my analogy I was talking about your attitude and not your deeds.

 

 

Maybe you're not listening to God at this time, Cits. and your # 4 reason shows that

 

 

I wanted to hunt down some people on here but I do get somewhat shy. I didn't even talk to Valk again until he spoke to me first I had good wishes for everyone in that thread.

 

Happy belated New Year to you, Cits.

 

I did not say you were satanists, I said following Satan is a default position from not following God that people get caught up in and it's a situation they are not aware of.

 

Please understand that I believe the bible and I do see the devil as wanting to destroy you and I do not want that.