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We know that apparently the scribes and pharisees tried to question Jesus to trap Him in His words. But, there are some questions that are truly relevant. I list a few that I would like to ask Jesus to break the facade.

 

1. You say that you will for all to be saved, and cry for Jerusalem, etc because they didn't believe. But, since you are God, why don't you just make them to believe? Is man's will for damnation stronger than God's ability to make all believe?

 

2. Even if you perform miracles, where is the command given in the Old Testament that performance of miracles is supposed to be confirmation that someone is from God? Did not even pharoah perform miracles, such as changing the staffs into a serpent? Where is the precendence for miracles being the proof of God?

 

3. Why did you pray for Peter that his faith fail not, yet you did not pray for Judas that his faith endured? Instead, you told Judas to do with haste his betrayal. Ultimately, doesn't the fall or endurance lie with you? Yet judas suffers the condemnation.

 

4. Since you showed a love "which no other man hath shewn in laying down your life for the sheep," why didn't you go and burn in hell to save the sheep from burning in hell? You died a quick and temporary death on the cross that is not even a fraction of the sufferings of hell that you saved the sheep from. They are not equal in sufferings, nor are they of the same nature. In fact, if the "second death" in hell is eternal, then how can a temporary cessation of the life of the flesh equate to a eternity of destruction of the soul? Once again, having it both ways.

 

I think, without a doubt, the only answer to these questions could be: I'm God and I do whatever I want, which ultimately puts the blame for suffering or blessing on God Himself anyway.

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Sheesh. It's only a fable fer chrissakes. Get over it.

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We know that apparently the scribes and pharisees tried to question Jesus to trap Him in His words. But, there are some questions that are truly relevant. I list a few that I would like to ask Jesus to break the facade.

 

Actually we don't know. Part of knowing is having objective evidence to verify it. We have no objective evidence the Pharisees asked Jesus anything. Without such evidence we cannot have knowledge.

 

1. You say that you will for all to be saved, and cry for Jerusalem, etc because they didn't believe. But, since you are God, why don't you just make them to believe? Is man's will for damnation stronger than God's ability to make all believe?

 

Back when the gospels were being written Jesus was not God. Jesus was just a man who had a plan to allow all men (or perhaps all Jewish men) to become sons of God. Jesus became God when the Roman empire needed Jesus to be God. The Roman Empire called for a conference and issued a decree. Then they put together the Christian writings they approved of and called it the New Testament.

 

2. Even if you perform miracles, where is the command given in the Old Testament that performance of miracles is supposed to be confirmation that someone is from God? Did not even pharoah perform miracles, such as changing the staffs into a serpent? Where is the precendence for miracles being the proof of God?

 

It isn't. Like I said Jesus was not God when the New Testament passages were being written.

 

3. Why did you pray for Peter that his faith fail not, yet you did not pray for Judas that his faith endured? Instead, you told Judas to do with haste his betrayal. Ultimately, doesn't the fall or endurance lie with you? Yet judas suffers the condemnation.

 

Christians add the same kind of subjective spin after the fact. If there is an accident and a little girl dies then Glory because God has called her home, if she lives it's a miracle, and if she is crippled for life then God is teaching us. It just subjective spin and we see them doing the same when men wrote the Bible.

 

4. Since you showed a love "which no other man hath shewn in laying down your life for the sheep," why didn't you go and burn in hell to save the sheep from burning in hell? You died a quick and temporary death on the cross that is not even a fraction of the sufferings of hell that you saved the sheep from. They are not equal in sufferings, nor are they of the same nature. In fact, if the "second death" in hell is eternal, then how can a temporary cessation of the life of the flesh equate to a eternity of destruction of the soul? Once again, having it both ways.

 

Hell is imaginary. God can't burn in hell because God is imaginary too. None of it is real.

 

I think, without a doubt, the only answer to these questions could be: I'm God and I do whatever I want, which ultimately puts the blame for suffering or blessing on God Himself anyway.

 

If that is the only answer you can imagine then you have a long way to go. Stick around. Learn.

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I'd just ask him where I could find a good sea food restaurant.

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We know that apparently the scribes and pharisees tried to question Jesus to trap Him in His words. But, there are some questions that are truly relevant. I list a few that I would like to ask Jesus to break the facade.

 

1. You say that you will for all to be saved, and cry for Jerusalem, etc because they didn't believe. But, since you are God, why don't you just make them to believe? Is man's will for damnation stronger than God's ability to make all believe?

 

2. Even if you perform miracles, where is the command given in the Old Testament that performance of miracles is supposed to be confirmation that someone is from God? Did not even pharoah perform miracles, such as changing the staffs into a serpent? Where is the precendence for miracles being the proof of God?

 

3. Why did you pray for Peter that his faith fail not, yet you did not pray for Judas that his faith endured? Instead, you told Judas to do with haste his betrayal. Ultimately, doesn't the fall or endurance lie with you? Yet judas suffers the condemnation.

 

4. Since you showed a love "which no other man hath shewn in laying down your life for the sheep," why didn't you go and burn in hell to save the sheep from burning in hell? You died a quick and temporary death on the cross that is not even a fraction of the sufferings of hell that you saved the sheep from. They are not equal in sufferings, nor are they of the same nature. In fact, if the "second death" in hell is eternal, then how can a temporary cessation of the life of the flesh equate to a eternity of destruction of the soul? Once again, having it both ways.

 

I think, without a doubt, the only answer to these questions could be: I'm God and I do whatever I want, which ultimately puts the blame for suffering or blessing on God Himself anyway.

 

[Listens for an answer from God. Doesnt hear anything.]

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Everyone seem to respond to Jasonother's threads with a non-believer's cop-out answer... "That'a not real" or "it's just a story". To convince anyone of anything.. and to actually sound intelligent, know why it isn't real.. explain why it isn't real, and actually make this a discussion. Whole reason why he posted it. :P. You can't blame christians for cop-out, bullshit answers if the same thing is performed in response.

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Well, how come all of my life Jesus has loved my cousins, but not me? They are Christians ( like I used to be), but have had it so easy compared to me who has to struggle with finances and life in general. These days I admit that I'm jealous of them, but if there is a God why did he make my life shitty with all the abuse, poverty, and other problems I have had to endure? They have the perfect life and two of them are already married while I'm 35 and wanting to get married and have kids before it's too late.As a teenager I was told at another church that I was one of God's hated ones, and God has hated me from the day I was conceived. Still, I asked Jesus into my heart when I was twenty one, but rather than making my life easier (like when my one cousin did the same thing and blessings came out fo the sky for him) all hell broke loose and only bad stuff happened to me. After I left church it seemed like all the bad stuff stopped happening to me ( couldn't get a job, problems in school and neighbors).

 

So what did I do for Jesus to hate me so much (if he even exist)?

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You say that you will for all to be saved, and cry for Jerusalem, etc because they didn't believe. But, since you are God, why don't you just make them to believe? Is man's will for damnation stronger than God's ability to make all believe?

 

You could also go a step further and ask "If you're all knowing that means you knew I'd blaspheme the HG and be forever condemned. So, knowing that, why did you choose to create me in the first place? If my own parents knew, they wouldn't have chosen to have me as that would make them immoral sadists. Are my parents better than you?"

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Everyone seem to respond to Jasonother's threads with a non-believer's cop-out answer... "That'a not real" or "it's just a story".

 

It's not a cop out.

 

To convince anyone of anything.. and to actually sound intelligent, know why it isn't real.. explain why it isn't real, and actually make this a discussion.

 

Like "Part of knowing is having objective evidence to verify it. We have no objective evidence the Pharisees asked Jesus anything. Without such evidence we cannot have knowledge."

 

Something like that perhaps?

 

We can go down the definition of knowledge, the burden of proof, the evidence for claims made in the Bible, contradictions in the Bible . . . the whole nine yards. Haven't we been over this before with Christians over and over again? They come up empty and then retreat into subjective belief.

 

Whole reason why he posted it. tongue.png. You can't blame christians for cop-out, bullshit answers if the same thing is performed in response.

 

Yet it isn't. I can't quite figure out jasonother. Some suspect he is a troll. I suspect he is about to become an ex-Christian but I must admit his behavior doesn't match my theory. I don't know the reason he posts. However my answers are not cop-outs. I'm happy to go into depth on any of these. I can't seem to find any Christians who are willing to discuss them in depth because doing so tends to turn them into ex-Christians. I think on some level they know that.

 

But let's look at the questions again. If I had asked similar questions of the Easter Bunny or Santa Clause how would you handle them? I could try to answer them the way I would have 20 years ago. Would that help?

 

Super Fundamentalist Apologetic Answers: (honest effort to the best of my ability)

1) God didn't want us to be robots so God decided that He will not violate the freewill he gave us.

 

2) Performing miracles is not a sign someone is God. The sign was that Jesus took all the sins of the world and conquered the grave.

 

3) Once Judas made the choice God wasn't going to overpower or over-rule that choice.

 

4) Jesus did experience hell from the moment of this death until he was resurrected.

 

<end Fundamentalist channeling>

 

I'm a bit rusty but that is very much like what I believed and how I tried to resolve the glaring errors in the Bible. And back then I could not see the obvious problems with each.

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Everyone seem to respond to Jasonother's threads with a non-believer's cop-out answer... "That'a not real" or "it's just a story". To convince anyone of anything.. and to actually sound intelligent, know why it isn't real.. explain why it isn't real, and actually make this a discussion. Whole reason why he posted it. tongue.png. You can't blame christians for cop-out, bullshit answers if the same thing is performed in response.

 

HIs central question, "What would you ask Jesus?" commits the "Question begging" fallicy. It presupposes Jesus existed. The burden of proof is on him to prove the existance of Jesus. Proving that he didn't exist is next to impossible. It is perfectly possible that he existed and there are simply no records outside of the bible that document him. It is no different than us asking him what questions he would ask Hercules or Thor. Can you explain why they aren't real? Saying that they are just stories seems to me like a reasonable explaination, because that is all you can really prove.

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Everyone seem to respond to Jasonother's threads with a non-believer's cop-out answer... "That'a not real" or "it's just a story". To convince anyone of anything.. and to actually sound intelligent, know why it isn't real.. explain why it isn't real, and actually make this a discussion. Whole reason why he posted it. tongue.png. You can't blame christians for cop-out, bullshit answers if the same thing is performed in response.

It's true, to have a discussion you need to present your side. We can't be guilty of just saying "you have to believe".

However, the reality is that no matter what you present to those who "truly" believe they will not listen. The cult teaches them to NOT hear. Questions about faith are not allowed. Always repeat the party line. Sometimes not talking about the religious doctrines is the better discussion.

 

Yet it isn't. I can't quite figure out jasonother. Some suspect he is a troll. I suspect he is about to become an ex-Christian but I must admit his behavior doesn't match my theory. I don't know the reason he posts. However my answers are not cop-outs. I'm happy to go into depth on any of these. I can't seem to find any Christians who are willing to discuss them in depth because doing so tends to turn them into ex-Christians. I think on some level they know that.

 

I don't think he is a troll. I don't believe that real xians would post this.

I think, without a doubt, the only answer to these questions could be: I'm God and I do whatever I want, which ultimately puts the blame for suffering or blessing on God Himself anyway.

 

 

The rule is you never question the cult.

Hell anyone?

 

I think jason is here because he knows deep down inside that "it's not real", and that it is "just a story". Deep down, the answer is inside. When you give yourself permission to really know the person you see in the mirror, you get answers. It's not rocket science (hence the lack of a rocket biggrin.png ). But it is scary to suddenly realize that your entire foundation is falling away because YOU started the cracking of that foundation. YOU had a moment where it all began to crumble. And people have a really hard time dealing with being responsible for their own downfall.

 

In this case it is percieved as a downfall because the cult has told you that. Losing your faith is bad. Again, hell anyone? I think jason is scared. And I see his posts asking for an answer that he is wrong. Trying to confirm his faith is true. He must be wrong that god is not real. That the god delusion has duped him all this time and taken so much away from him in life. He must be wrong!

 

But I personally believe that he knows that the only thing he is going to lose is a myth, that has done him (and others) some great harm.

 

If you are a troll jason, I hope you had a great time, and god will get you for that.

 

But I know that you are not a troll. And I am not expecting you to just dump your religion and "see" that it was all a sham. I think you know what the facts are and it's ok to accept that reality.

You do however still have the choice to pretend to "believe". But we know that it's not really working for you.

 

Just my opinion. I could be wrong. I'm only human.

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Everyone seem to respond to Jasonother's threads with a non-believer's cop-out answer... "That'a not real" or "it's just a story".

This is where the non-believers congregate, and that answer is not a cop out; it's the plain truth. There are already tons of existing cogent refutations taken point by point, many of them on this very site.

 

Arguing what this verse implies or what that verse really means is not very helpful in my opinion. It's an endless cycle - that's why we have more than 30,000 Christian sects all disagreeing on what the Bible actually says. The point is that all the verses mean nothing; it's not real, it's a mind fuck. Debating whether you are among the 144,000 or whether you've committed the "unpardonable sin" might, at most, prompt someone to go to another church with a different doctrine, so it's a rather pointless exercise. Doctrinal discussions should be between believers, as non-believers have no Christian doctrine to defend.

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Everyone seem to respond to Jasonother's threads with a non-believer's cop-out answer... "That'a not real" or "it's just a story". To convince anyone of anything.. and to actually sound intelligent, know why it isn't real.. explain why it isn't real, and actually make this a discussion. Whole reason why he posted it. tongue.png. You can't blame christians for cop-out, bullshit answers if the same thing is performed in response.

 

hi Mystery! it won't take very long for these types of topics to start boring you, unless of course - you can be the magical person to change the christians mind!! Good luck in the 'debate'!

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Everyone seem to respond to Jasonother's threads with a non-believer's cop-out answer... "That'a not real" or "it's just a story". To convince anyone of anything.. and to actually sound intelligent, know why it isn't real.. explain why it isn't real, and actually make this a discussion. Whole reason why he posted it. tongue.png. You can't blame christians for cop-out, bullshit answers if the same thing is performed in response.

 

So, what sea food restaurant do YOU think Jesus would reccomend?

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Personally, I think the whole "Jesus went to Hell for you and came back" thing is a terrible story. I think it would've been a better story if Jesus went to Hell and was still there covering for everyone so NO ONE had to go to Hell in the first place. THAT would inflict some guilt on people!

 

That whole thing with the Pharoah's magicians doing all the stuff Moses did bothered me as a believer too. If regular men could do that then, why can't we do it today? Who's not to say Jesus was just some magician? I don't believe in magic, but I wondered about that then.

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There are the makings of a new, relevant thread here!

 

 

Questions to ask Jesus:

 

 

What kind of wine did you make? Merlot? Chablis? Zinfandel???

 

Seriously, did you ever jack off?

 

Who does your hair?

 

Were you popular in school?

 

How are you able to eat M&Ms?

 

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Good questions. Which now begs the question, "Why should we bother worshiping you if you do what you want anyway?"

 

That's another reason I left Christianity. I am pretty certain that I still wouldn't get into heaven because I "did it wrong" somehow.

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OK, I'll go with the role play scenario.

 

Assumptions: I die and find myself face to face with Jesus. (This is a fantasy to me but what the hay)

Additional **required** assumptions: Jesus is not pumping holy gas or pouring whiskey from behind a bar. Hence, (and this is a problematic assumption) for some strange reason, I can automatically see that Jesus is one of the three people running the place and he actually wants to speak to me. (There is no reason why Genghis Kahan or some other completely different entity isn't the head honcho but for the sake of this exercise, it is Jesus)

 

My initial conclusions upon seeing Jesus: My immediate assumptions would have to be that I was wrong. (That does not mean that I would assume that all Christians were right)

 

So my first question might be: "So how does this really work?"

Why? --> Because, I think that if there is a god then it doesn't work the way Christians say it works and if Jesus really is god, then what Christian's claim about Jesus is mostly lies. Hence a god of truth that seeks to identify and reward those who value truth(which is yet another problematic assumption on many levels), that religion and holy books are a tool that god uses to identify those who sift truth correctly. In my opinion, those that reject all religious structures are those that have superior lie filtering tools.

 

Additional questions:

"How badly did those who claim to be your followers mangle and twist your words"

 

"Am I right to assume that you are not angry at them but feel compassionate toward their inability to love the truth and record history accurately?"

 

"Setting aside the words that Christians claimed you said and specifically who Paul said you were, does the horrid story of Abraham being ready to kill his son and being told by your Father to do so, make you angry?" "Why not?"

 

"Why did your dad create such defective humans?"

 

"Where did the story of Eden come from and was there any truth in it?"

 

"Will humans eventually unleash something to destroy themselves and do all worlds similar to earth eventually destroy themselves?", "Have two civilizations ever communicated to each other or do all of them die before developing that technology?"

 

"Why do I still not understand quantum physics... or women?"

 

"Have you ever had sex and is there something here better than sex?"

 

"If I'm in 'heaven', why do I have to keep asking questions and why is ignorance such a heavenly trait?" "Oh... so THIS is hell?"

 

Sorry... I'm unable to approach the question from the perspective of some other person's assumptions of Jesus. That is the same as asking me what a christian would ask Jesus not what I would ask Jesus. I picture most christians looking at Jesus and asking, "Why are you scowling at me?".

 

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My question was the one I asked every day when I was a xtian, so I repeated it here because I've got so many different crazy answers.

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Everyone seem to respond to Jasonother's threads with a non-believer's cop-out answer... "That'a not real" or "it's just a story". To convince anyone of anything.. and to actually sound intelligent, know why it isn't real.. explain why it isn't real, and actually make this a discussion. Whole reason why he posted it. tongue.png. You can't blame christians for cop-out, bullshit answers if the same thing is performed in response.

 

So, what sea food restaurant do YOU think Jesus would reccomend?

 

He would direct us toward "Catfish Blues" I believe..

 

And in response to the questions.

Objectively I don't believe there to be a sure-fire answer. These are just the ironies of the faith, and can be used in opposition of this same faith.

 

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We are apprently born into sin. We are bred and born with a sense if evil and a favortism toward this evil. You could say that God did create us all good, and heaven-bound with Adam and Eve, but even then your question would still stand as a valid one.

 

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Miracles prove nothing. They are forms of science we yet not understand. Miracles in the Bible are a show and implies a sense of lameness within the belief system it is in. It degrades God into a magician because we don't give credit to a miracle, but the reporter who says he saw it. Miracles are inconsistent and the term can be tagged on anything. A person is sick and dies.. miracle.. they have gone to heaven finally. A person is sick and lives... miracle.. God postponed death to another time. Person is born.. miracle.. you avoid a wreck barely.. miracle. Your dog is extra loving on a particularly down day in your life.. miracle, God knew you needed it so he gave it. Blah blah blah. A miracle to us is anything.. a miracle to an all powerful God is nothing.. A miracle to God does not exist because the official definition of a miracle is: "an event that appears to be contrary to the laws of nature " God is the essense of "nature".. he created it so he is not "under" it's grasp as we are. We have never seen Nature go out of her course.. no one has.. so i'm willing to bet that it is more likely the Bible is a lie than a miracle. A lie is easy to make. An example Thomas Paine makes on the subject is this: In writing this I could propose to you that a hand appeared out of nowhere and wrote these words. But what is more likely... this actually happened, or I lied about it? Was Jonah lying? Was Constantine lying? Was Elijah lying? If a miracle only existed to those who experienced them we would have little to no one believing in miracles.

 

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You explained it all. It is perfect example of injustice.

 

4.

Again, you basically explained it all. A sacrifice that would pay all sin is one that would last eternity. If we were destined for an eternal torture, then the one who took our spot would haveto pay the same, exact price.. No more, no less.

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Ultimately, God is God, and He is Infinite in Wisdom and Understanding. He does whatever He wants and no man can judge God. Not only that, but man's ways and thoughts are infinitely below God's ways and thoughts.

 

So, everyone has the lot appointed by God-- some to honor and glory, and others to damnation.

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Ultimately, God is God, and He is Infinite in Wisdom and Understanding. He does whatever He wants and no man can judge God. Not only that, but man's ways and thoughts are infinitely below God's ways and thoughts.

 

So, everyone has the lot appointed by God-- some to honor and glory, and others to damnation.

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Ultimately, God is God, and He is Infinite in Wisdom and Understanding. He does whatever He wants and no man can judge God. Not only that, but man's ways and thoughts are infinitely below God's ways and thoughts.

 

So, everyone has the lot appointed by God-- some to honor and glory, and others to damnation.

 

Typical cop-out answer.

It's okay to say you don't know. ;) I sure don't.

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Questions to ask Jesus? Hmm, let's see.

Why did you never answer one of my prayers like you promised in your book?

In 19 years as a follower, was I not good enough for you? Wasn't my bible big enough and leather clad enough for you?

If Paul really was in Jerusalem at the same time of your execution, why does he not quote you?

Were you there at the massacre of the Moabites and the later massacre of the Benjaminites? If you were as the gospel of John says you were, why did you not intervene to stop them?

You could have made a more coherent book.

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