Guest Ronin Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Now 1st off, I'm not trying to make it look like I'm one of the most special people on Earth. I'll admit that I'm a good guy and I live a righteous life, but I don't automatically place myself above others. What I'm wondering is how can I convince the next man or woman that God is real and that he cares about people when I have just unfairly lost my job. I mean if I lost my job for something like not working hard enough or being a disrespectful person, I would be man enough 2 say I deserved to get fired. But no, I got fired because a couple of days last year, I showed up to work on time but I lost my work badge. The managers are supposed to give u another badge because they only take a few seconds to make, but on a couple of those days it took about an hour or more for me to get another badge because the managers were busy with something. Now on all of those days I showed up on time and I worked like I was supposed to, but the company (Wal-Mart) counted me as being late becaus I could only clock in later than my scheduled time only because I lost my badge, but I still came to work on time. I was not aeare of this until the day I was fired. No warning or anything. I didn't think I needed a warning because technically I wasn't late. I thought that if they just looked at the cameras and saw me coming in on time everything would be good but to my surprise I got fired. I went as far up on the chain of command in management as I could, but I got no justice. So now I've been without a job for a week now, constantly applying to other jobs and hoping that I get approved for unemployment money to hold me over until I find another job. Now what I'm getting at is how can I convince someone that God is real or that God cares when I got thrown a curveball in life like that? Evil politicians prosper and keep getting richer but a good guy like me who is satisfied with making a couple thousand dollars a year can't keep his job. I'm not saying that I have given up on believing in God, but this incident sure isn't making it any easier for someone else to believe in him. Maybe I'll get a better job and this was one of God's mysterious ways of leading me to another job. I don't know, but what I do know is that I am unmployed, hoping to find another job and hoping that I get approved for unemploynent money in the next 3 to 5 weeks so that can keep me well off until I find another job. I don't even know if I want to live anymore. I just want a normal life with a job and no worries of financial hardship, but this evil society has made that wish such a complicated mission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ronin Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Oh and sorry for the misspelled words, I see that I can't edit this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulofSilver Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Well, first of all I work for Walmart and I doubt that they would just fire you for no reason. It goes 3 coachings, and on that third you get a D-Day. Immediate firing is only for when you do something pretty bad. Second of all, even if you forget or lose your badge you can still clock in via smart and another associate, so you really had no excuse to clock in over an hour late multiple times. And you should not believe in God due to lack of evidence, not because you got fired from Walmart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Ronin, There is nothing more interesting than a story about a Ho! Seriously, contact a moderator and maybe they can fix the title. Coming here to convince people about god will just be a waste of time. Many have tried, and all of them have failed. Perhaps instead of trying to convince people about god, you might expend that energy on helping yourself first. When you are no longer struggling in life and you find you have some spare time, then maybe you can resume your mission. I personally would take care of yourself first. How can you help others if you can't help yourself? And while you are helping yourself, read through that bible, cover to cover. You will see that none of it is in order, and it will not actually make sense to you. Click here for help with that. http://rejectionofpascalswager.net/internal.html The best way to bust the myth of religion is to actually learn about it. That bible is proof that there is not a god. Sorry to hear you lost your job. Good luck with unemployment. Welcome to Ex-C. God will never help you, you have to help yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Sorry to hear about your job. Now what I'm getting at is how can I convince someone that God is real or that God cares when I got thrown a curveball in life like that? Evil politicians prosper and keep getting richer but a good guy like me who is satisfied with making a couple thousand dollars a year can't keep his job. You can't. That is the sort answer. You can't convince others that God is real. It is beyond your power. I'm not saying that I have given up on believing in God, but this incident sure isn't making it any easier for someone else to believe in him. Maybe I'll get a better job and this was one of God's mysterious ways of leading me to another job. Maybe there is no God. If there was no God that would explain why bad things happen to good people, even those who cry out to God. I just want a normal life with a job and no worries of financial hardship, but this evil society has made that wish such a complicated mission If society is so evil why do you want unemployment? Seems like unemployment is a good thing society might do for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 In case you didn't notice this isn't a christian forum. And do yourself a favor and find another job, Wal Mart is shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCoastie Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 How can you convince others God exists, when you can't even convince yourself? You need to sort out your own issues with God before you go preaching to others, but the #1 priority is you need to get crackin' with some resumes and job applications. Try not to worry about God's hand in your misfortune, your future is in your own hands. Get up, brush yourself off, and get to action. You don't need to believe in God, but you must believe in yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ronin Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Well, first of all I work for Walmart and I doubt that they would just fire you for no reason. It goes 3 coachings, and on that third you get a D-Day. Immediate firing is only for when you do something pretty bad. Second of all, even if you forget or lose your badge you can still clock in via smart and another associate, so you really had no excuse to clock in over an hour late multiple times. And you should not believe in God due to lack of evidence, not because you got fired from Walmart. Well in case u think I'm lying about how I got fired, I don't care, u can believe what u wanna, I'm just telling what happened because I was the one who actually went through the incident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Well in case u think I'm lying about how I got fired, I don't care, u can believe what u wanna, I'm just telling what happened because I was the one who actually went through the incident It really doesn't matter what we think about the incident. Nothing we do will change anything. But I am curious as to why you want to convince others that God is real? Why bother? You don't see God lifting a finger to convince others that he is real. Why should you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ronin Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 mymistake i see what u saying and i understand. i just thought that if i stood up for god and constantly defended him on why bad things happened then i would continue to be blessed. i've been through too much suffering in my life before this and i still defended god. but now for some reason i'm in a bad situation where there doesn't seem to be a way out. i lost my job during a recession. i might get unemployment, but whats gonna happen when that runs out. i'm just confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackpudd1n Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 mymistake i see what u saying and i understand. i just thought that if i stood up for god and constantly defended him on why bad things happened then i would continue to be blessed. i've been through too much suffering in my life before this and i still defended god. but now for some reason i'm in a bad situation where there doesn't seem to be a way out. i lost my job during a recession. i might get unemployment, but whats gonna happen when that runs out. i'm just confused Ask yourself this: Does god not want to help you, even though he can and is able to, or does god not exist? Does god choose not to prevent children from dying of starvation and disease, or is he unable to because he doesn't exist? Did god choose to give me a dodgy uterus, and then refuse to heal me, so that I have to have a hysterectomy at the ripe old age of 26, or am I merely the product of an evolutionary process that has not yet finished, but I am able to be helped by medicine and not god, because god does not exist? And why does god, who is apparently so all-powerful and almighty, require my worship and devotion, and failure to do so will see me cast into the fiery pits of hell? I don't know about you, but this god seems just a little unstable, a little too human for my liking. So is god a god, or is he just a human construct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Ronin you strike me as being a decent guy, a good working-class guy. But most of your society has turned against you and your kind. It makes no sense, it's unfair, and all that. But it is what it is. What can you you learn from this experience in going forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Valk0010 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Spend some time thinking about the problem of evil, and if your a christian how god fits into that? That seems the debate you need to have with yourself. As far as I am concerned, god if he exists wouldn't care about us. He can give manna from heaven yet doesn't stop drought. Its irrational to think that can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 My fellow heathens in this thread, Does Ronin really need for you to question and undermine his already attenuated religious beliefs? Does this help him in any way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ ficino ♦ Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Someone I know also got fired by Wal-Mart for insufficient reason. I suspect one issue is that they don't mind firing people because they can get someone else cheaper to start out at bottom-level wages (not that the raises are all that great). The guy I know got a better job after some months, so keep on truckin'. About religion, I second what people above have said. You mention politicians. They have been pushing policies over the last twenty years that have benefited the rich at the expense of working people, and working people keep voting for them against their own interests because politicians appeal to religious loyalties. Ask yourself who is benefiting financially from religion. It both generates big bucks and keeps working people distracted so they don't notice their own exploitation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 About religion, I second what people above have said. You mention politicians. They have been pushing policies over the last twenty years that have benefited the rich at the expense of working people, and working people keep voting for them against their own interests because politicians appeal to religious loyalties. Ask yourself who is benefiting financially from religion. It both generates big bucks and keeps working people distracted so they don't notice their own exploitation. Um, I'm sensing a slight political bias here, and that's fine. But I do think that the entire crust of elites (Left and Right) has turned againt the working class man. The only people who represent their interests at this time are themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ronin Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Ronin you strike me as being a decent guy, a good working-class guy. But most of your society has turned against you and your kind. It makes no sense, it's unfair, and all that. But it is what it is. What can you learn from this experience in going forward? i see that u are a enlightened person, what u say is true, most of society has turned against good people. its sick the way that good people are hated on and there seems to be plots to set back good people in society. and i agree that religion is being used as a weapon to keep good people from advancing in society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulofSilver Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Well in case u think I'm lying about how I got fired, I don't care, u can believe what u wanna, I'm just telling what happened because I was the one who actually went through the incident I didn't say that you were "lying", I'm just saying that odds are there's something you missed. Walmart has had enough lawsuits that they tend to follow disciplinary procedures set forward by HR. Do some fail to follow procedure... meh, probably not as often as people claim. Yes, it's true they have a stack of applications to get more people in, it's expensive to hire. If anything my store keeps rehiring the people they fired to save on training costs. Again, my point stands that you really had no reason to not be clocked in. i just thought that if i stood up for god and constantly defended him on why bad things happened then i would continue to be blessed. i've been through too much suffering in my life before this and i still defended god. but now for some reason i'm in a bad situation where there doesn't seem to be a way out. i lost my job during a recession. So you were wrong. Time to pick yourself up by the bootstraps and get trucking. Get a degree or certificate so Walmart isn't the go to job, keep looking for something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Ronin, it's unfortunate, but I think you are going to have to get hard in a hurry. Get hard. Make yourself strong. Don't blame others, this will make you bitter. Just gather to yourself people who will love and encourage you and carry on. Also, if people don't want to hear about God then don't tell them. If you want to explore your spirituality and develop it for yourself then I think that's fine. Edit again: Think long and hard about what you want from life Ronin. What do you want? Really want. When you know, then go get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigile Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Legion and others might find this an interesting read: Employers shouldn't have to pay employees one cent more than the market will bear. This argument overlooks three things: First, all those good-paying manufacturing jobs that the U.S. has lost weren't always good-paying. In fact, before unions, minimum-wage laws, and some enlightened thinking from business owners (see below), they often paid terribly. Second, the manufacturing jobs also weren't high- or even medium-skilled. In fact, most of these manufacturing jobs required no more inherent skill than the skills required to be a cashier at Walmart, a fry cook at McDonald's, or a barista at Starbucks. (Yes, people who work on assembly lines building complex products need training. But cashiers, fry cooks, and baristas need training, too. Don't believe this? Go volunteer to be a Walmart cashier or a Starbucks barista for a day. ) Third, it is often in companies' interest—as well as the economy's interest—to pay employees more than the market will bear. For one thing, you tend to get better employees. For two, they tend to be more loyal and dedicated. For three, they have more money to spend, some of which might be spent on your products. Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/dear-walmart-mcdonalds-and-starbucks-employees-poor-2012-2#ixzz1mjnYE9ug 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigile Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Here's more from a linked article. Really fascinating stuff IMO: Unfortunately, as I explained in detail here, this assertion is wrong: Entrepreneurs and investors actually don't create jobs, at least not by themselves. What creates jobs is a healthy economic ecosystem, of which entrepreneurs and investors are only parts. The more important part of the job-creation engine is a huge base of people and companies with plentiful disposable income. Specifically, millions upon millions of customers with money to spend. Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/millionaires-island-2011-12#ixzz1mjqa3oYI 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Employers shouldn't have to pay employees one cent more than the market will bear. Vigile we now have an integrated global economy, right? It's not really a matter of "ought" or "ought not" it's a matter of what IS and what WILL happen. Take my case for instance, I can head for a service industry job, right? Or I can complete my formal attempt at indoctrination education, and head for something much more white collarish. And I guess I can do either of these while hoping with everything in me that we are not headed for WW3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigile Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Employers shouldn't have to pay employees one cent more than the market will bear. Vigile we now have an integrated global economy, right? It's not really a matter of "ought" or "ought not" it's a matter of what IS and what WILL happen. Take my case for instance, I can head for a service industry job, right? Or I can complete my formal attempt at indoctrination education, and head for something much more white collarish. And I guess I can do either of these while hoping with everything in me that we are not headed for WW3. I can't really answer well what it is you or others should individually do in this situation. I think the last article I linked, however, does a really nice job laying out the problem we all face, including the 1%. In a nut shell, it's saying that most companies can pay more than they do and that the pressure form investors that causes them to seek ever increasing profits by cutting margins creates a situation where they are losing their consumer base which supports the system in the first place. IOW, if you and others don't have money to buy things, businesses will fold and everyone loses. This seems like a paradox to the current global economy to me. Like you, I come from a blue collar background. I tried the white collar business world, but couldn't hack the cubicle life. My solutions to escaping the rat race have been pretty unique and are not really easy to repeat for others, so I don't feel I'm in a position to give much advice or voice a strong opinion as much as I'd like to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Well Vigile, I'd like to escape the rat race too. And yeah, it'd be nice if you could help me. But you can't or won't and that's that. With that aside, I want to ask you about something which may be best for anew thread. It's like you never mention it. What do you think the odds are of world war 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigile Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 And yeah, it'd be nice if you could help me. But you can't or won't and that's that. I would if I could. Honestly. What do you think the odds are of world war 3? I hope business interests hold it at bay. If not, mutual assure destruction (MAD) is always there in the balance, so the stakes are much, much higher than they were in the early 20th century. Iran is a serious issue though and absolutely has the potential for many unintended consequences. I hope the neo cons are sent packing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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