jackbauer Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Let's face it, there's a lot. Without even going into all the slavery, rape, genocide crap, there are a few verses I can blame simply for giving us some insane theology. -Matthew 7:13-14: where in Jesus implies that most people are going to hell. Therefore, people feel justified in claiming to know "the one true faith", giving birth to many cults. After all, if most people are going to hell, you might as well avoid the "worldly" things and trust in the nutty cult leader. He could very well have the truth that could save you from that horrible fate. Aside from giving us a depressing worldview, I'm not even getting into all the division this has caused among people. It's just a horrible horrible verse. -Matthew 5: X: Where Jesus says that looking at a women with lust is equal to adultery. Not only does this make one afraid and ashamed of their natural sexual urges, not only does this result in unhealthy repression, but this also gave birth to the horrifying idea of thought crimes. Apparently, big brother never needed to wait until 1984, it was always here. -Romans 9: 20-21: The one about us being compared to pots, implying that we don't not own our selves, we are God's property, and he can do what he pleases. Do I even need to explain how fucked up this concept is? As for books. The entire book of revelation: Some of the scariest concepts can be found here. The rapture, lake of fire, final judgement, and all this end of the world crap. The nightmares that this gives kids alone is enough of a reason to see this book as extremely harmful when taken literally. The entire book of Job: It gives way to that unhealthy martyr complex in which everything can seem like a test from God or the Devil. Ultimately, with such a warped view, suffering is seen as a virtue, and life becomes an endurance test. I've seen the fruits of this mentality on Christian blogs giving advice to those who are suffering. Stuck in an abusive relationship? Don't leave, endure! Depressed, sick of life, and feel that Christianity is making is worse? That too is part of the test! If you leave, God will be very angry with you! Don't try to improve your situation, just trust it as part of God's plan and everything will work out... er if it doesn't I'm sure that's part of God's plan too. In other words, good buy rational thinking! What are your most hated versus or books of the Bible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought2Much Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 I have long, long thought that when Jesus was talking about looking at a woman lustfully, he was using hyperbole, just like when he talked about tearing your eye out if it offends you, and just like the talk of planks and specks in people's eyes. I think misinterpreting the hyperbole as being literal has caused no end of guilt in Christians. If I recall correctly, Job is in the "Literature" section of the Bible, which also includes Jonah. To take these as life instructions or as literal truth is not a good idea, as it was never even the intent of the books in the first place. There was much debate at the time of the canonization of the Bible about whether Revelation should even be included. It's possible that it shouldn't even be in the Bible at all. Of course, without it, you don't get the ever-so-satisfying "Jesus comes back and kicks ass while sending everybody we don't like to eternal torment" ending that Christians want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitzer Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 I don't hate this verse,in fact I rather like it because it stupidly reveals the lie of Jesus being a divine, loving being. I don't know the verse or book, but it's the story where Jesus curses a fig tree because he wanted figs . Does this or does this not sound like a selfish, spoiled little tantrum throwing brat who must have his way or else?? And given that figs weren't even in season at the time...brother...what a jerk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverAgainV Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 You hit some really good ones there JB. It is all so demented & I've tried to forget, but here are some that are still in my memory. I'm sorry I don't have book, chapter, verse, but if my memory is still up to par, I know these are in that sick book, the bible. I believe it's the book of Proverbs but there is a verse speaking of "God" that "thou hatest all workers of iniquity"....not the WORKS of iniquity, but WORKERS. That verse was often brought up in the calvinist baptist cult I escaped. The leader never taught to "love the sinner, hate the sin"..it wasn't biblical as god does indeed HATE SINNERS/people. urg...that one will fuck you up & also cause one to have a selfrighteous view of themselves over the "sinners" in the world. After all, if their "god" hates sinners, then it's A-OK that they do! Completely demented! The verses that were used to instill fear & terror were endless, but here are some that come to mind for me. In the Old Test. when some men were carrying the arc of the covenant through rain & a mudslide. Evidentally the men were told to not touch the "arc" & so when the men began to slip & the arc was going to fall in the mud, one man, tried to keep it from falling, thus "touching" the arc & was immediately struck down DEAD. That fucked up story was used over & over to convince us that we could NOT THINK for ourselves....look at what happened when the guy carrying the arc did what HE THOUGHT was good. the implications were to just "OBEY" & never think for yourself or follow your gut instincts. It also hinders people from just being HUMAN. You start to shut your humanity off. This is a king david one...maybe it's Proverbs, but the verse is basically king david saying that "if I forget god's house then let my hand lose it's cunning..." This verse was used by xpastard to scare people into never leaving his fucking little cult. First, he equated "god's house" with HIS LITTLE CHURCH...he completely implied that if you left HIS church that God would take away your talents! Of course, being an artist, I was fucking terrified beyond belief. It is total blackmail. Of course I've been out of the cult for over 5 years & I'm still painting, drawing & doing artwork better & better all of the time. My talents were NOT taken from me...but that always got to me when he used that one. He had me scared shitless & no doubt others as well. Really makes me mad thinking about it, all of the psychological & emotional pain he caused me & others..... -Mitzer- thanks for bring up the "fig tree" one....that is a prime example of how fucked the god-man "jesus" is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeasabird Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 BAHAHAHAHA!!! Love your thread title! Does anyone even know what smegma is anymore?? Anyway, yeah the three foundational tenets of Christianity can pretty much be summed up into the following: - Thought crime - Cannibalism - Human Sacrifice Count me in!!! Not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverAgainV Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 BAHAHAHAHA!!! Love your thread title! Does anyone even know what smegma is anymore??..... Yep I do. but I never heard "smegged" before..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scriptor Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Can't say I hate these per se, but they are certainly weird... "When men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took to wife such of them as they chose." (Gen 6:1-2). Who are these "sons of God", and why are they hooking up with humans? " No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord." (Deut 23:1). WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owen652 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Red Dwarf rules!! I know that Westboro Baptist uses that Proverbs verse amongst others to justify hating people. there are actually quite a few verses in the bible about god 'hating' specific people, not just sinners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCoastie Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Red Dwarf rules!! I know that Westboro Baptist uses that Proverbs verse amongst others to justify hating people. there are actually quite a few verses in the bible about god 'hating' specific people, not just sinners. I'm a Dwarfer too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzy Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 How about the verse when Jesus says if you leave your family, children and wife for him you get bigger reward in heaven? Who said Christianity is not a cult? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deva Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I have a lot of issues with Paul's theology in Romans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 NeverAgainV: Holy shit that's scary. Though I also blame those manipulative pastors for twisting the verse to control people. It also doesn't surprise me that he was a Calvinst. They are deep into that "no reason or emotions" crap that turns followers into soulless robots. If they aren't a cult, I don't know what is. Suzy: I forgot about those verses. Jesus also said some stuff about hating your family, basically saying that you have to be so devoted to him that you'll forsake your family. There's other verses implying mutilation, martrydom, and many other unhealthy ideas. Yeah, it's possible there's a context I'm not seeing, but even if there is, it doesn't change that people do take it at face value. Deva: Yeah, Pauls theology in romans seemed to give birth to some of those horrific concepts like predestination and original sin. Basically this is the book people use to justify saying people deserve hell. As for the smegged quote, I didn't get it from Red Dwarf. I actually got it from one of those internet reviewers (who I suspect got it from Red Dwarf). It's a pretty unique expression that I believe describes Christianity and the Bible very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverAgainV Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I have a lot of issues with Paul's theology in Romans. My husband always said he would probably not get along with Paul very well. Suzy, I remember that, it goes something like "he that forsakes lands & family..reward will be twenty fold" or something like that. Oh I heard that one to cough* cough* - encourage -people who had relocated their lives for the cult....like we did. And also used to persuade others to move to Michigan for the cult. I often heard the Jesus quote "I came NOT to bring peace, but a sword of division...to set a mother against her daughter ..a person's enemies will be of their own household...because of me (Jesus)" So right there the implication is completely cultic, nothing should be more important that Jeezuuss. Fucking hell I realize how much I absolutely abhor bible religion & the bible.... Jack, I was reading bible contradictions online last night & it really was sinking in how completely crazy bible religion is. How the contradictions abound...the crazy making of it. Here's a link for anyone who wants to read with joy all of the bible contradictions that we knew were there, but we were always told the problem was US Read & Enjoy! http://www.religionisbullshit.net/articles/contradictions.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephie Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I often heard the Jesus quote "I came NOT to bring peace, but a sword of division...to set a mother against her daughter ..a person's enemies will be of their own household...because of me (Jesus)" So right there the implication is completely cultic, nothing should be more important that Jeezuuss. I was gonna put this one. It's a direct lie since everyone says he came to bring peace. No he didn't and he says so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverAgainV Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I often heard the Jesus quote "I came NOT to bring peace, but a sword of division...to set a mother against her daughter ..a person's enemies will be of their own household...because of me (Jesus)" So right there the implication is completely cultic, nothing should be more important that Jeezuuss. I was gonna put this one. It's a direct lie since everyone says he came to bring peace. No he didn't and he says so. Yep. Some xians say Jeezus is the "prince of peace", but jeezus says he came NOT to bring peace...but a sword.That religion is crazy making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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