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I have found non-theistic eastern philosophy helpful in my life journey. I do not call myself a Buddhist, but they sure do have some great ideas that help me deal with life and injustice.

 

The rage fades with time. Hang in there. It is not the fault of the religious that they are deluded.

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AND... If there is a different god, a loving god, why would it hide from me? I call bollocks. Fuck faith and the horse it rode in on. Absurdities.

 

I've always wondered this, myself. Why would a loving god force his creation to have to seek him, and even after they've supposedly found him, why would he force them to continually grovel and beg for him to reveal himself to them in some way that we can sense? That doesn't sound like love to me. It sounds like abuse.

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I agree it's not the fault of the religious... that's what deluded means. But the systems are evil all the same and should not be tolerated. I am stating that the systems themselves are evil, and are anathema to a workable society. Religion is more dangerous than Ebola that has mutated to being air borne.

 

There are good concepts in all religions... the golden rule is almost universal—even stone age tribes in the depths of jungles know that murder and theft is wrong. A lot of eastern beliefs are closer to philosophies than religions though... especially buddhism.. they don't propose faith, but self-reflection. I like self-reflection, it's a positive practice... i would say necessary for personal growth.

 

Seeking our place in the world is a natural human state—we are a curious species and making sense of things is essential for our psychological equilibrium, but it get's distorted with the message that there's something WRONG WITH US that is beyond our control and the answer to that is religion (maybe I need to qualify faith-based religion here? I haven't seen much harm in neo-paganism, for example, and buddhism seems pretty harmless, but are they? I can't make that conclusion at this time. New Age however isn't much different from the big three, i would suggest it's just the flavor of the day... with a lot of woo and pseudo-scientific bullshit)

 

It isn't the drive for self-improvement I have issue with... and this isn't something I've just figured out... this anger has been growing since the moment I realized the horror that is the doctrine of hell (and subsequently any concept of spiritual punishment for temporal mistakes) many many years ago... and has grown with deep research and the 'fruits' of the religious i see around me every day. the testimonies here alone speak volumes about the damage religion does.

 

It isn't the individual believers I have issue with either... but I no longer see the value, in our very dangerous world, of a live and let live approach. We are far too technologically ARMED to accept moral excuses and a worldview that THIS WORLD is less important than some nebulous hope in an afterlife.

 

As marvelous as this world is—it is fucked-up on some very serious levels. God is NOT going to make things better, there is NO last minute reprieve and the sooner we as a species learn that, the sooner we can start fixing things. It's up to US to stop war, poverty, bigotry, global warming, species extinction, hatred, etc... and religion removes that responsibility.

 

THAT'S the danger of religion... it allows humanity to remain a fearful, self-centered, immature and irresponsible species.. and that is not acceptable.

 

I was raised to be understanding and tolerant, polite (eh, I'm Canadian) 'multi-cultural', politically correct, all of that... it goes against my very core to state that I no longer believe that this is the way to handle things... but i truly believe that religion is the root of a large proportion of our woes and I think remaining tolerant is a mistake, actually I think it's WRONG to be tolerant in the face of such overwhelming evidence that religion is evil.

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from pantheistic witchcraft to Rosicrucianism, to Pentecostal

 

Those are all wrong. You won't find peace until you accept that it's the Raelians that offer the true religion. Well, them and the Mormons. :)

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I've always wondered this, myself. Why would a loving god force his creation to have to seek him, and even after they've supposedly found him, why would he force them to continually grovel and beg for him to reveal himself to them in some way that we can sense? That doesn't sound like love to me. It sounds like abuse.

 

EXACTLY!

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Really? Mormonism.. hmm... maybe you are right! :)

 

But i can't get my own planet because I'm... female. shit.

 

Raelians.. I must read up on that... for shits ad giggles

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Okay.. I did it! From the Raelian website:

 

This is what the “Message” proposes: Thousands of years ago, scientists from another planet came to Earth and created all forms of life, including human beings, whom they created in their own image. References to these scientists and their work can be found in the ancient texts of many cultures. (citations? Which cultures? What texts?) Due to their highly advanced technology, they were considered as gods by our primitive ancestors and often referred to as 'Elohim' which in ancient Hebrew meant 'Those who came from the sky'.

 

-ummm... no, that's ANNUNAKI, (Sumerian—those who from the heavens came to earth—I think that's a pretty close translation) I see a whole lot of Sitchen here. I've read the entire Halexandria library. ALL OF IT.

 

Despite being a plural word, Elohim was mistranslated over time to the singular 'God' reference that appears in modern-day Bibles.

-true (really hard to find unbiased info on this, if someone else has a better reference let me know)

http://www.askelm.com/essentials/ess039.htm

 

Nevertheless,(why is this qualifer here? How I read this is "but never mind the facts, THIS is what you should be focused on") these people (?) who came from the sky (wrong) (the Elohim) educated humanity through the ages with the help of various messengers (also called prophets) with whom they had made contact. Each messenger was given a message suitable for the level of understanding prevailing at the time (how fucking convenient), with the primary purpose of instilling basic principles of non-violence and respect. (this is unfounded considering the nature of these 'revelations', FAIL) Once humanity reached a sufficient level of scientific understanding (wait, I thought they wanted us to learn non-violence and respect?), the Elohim decided to make themselves more visible in UFO sightings and to conceive their final message. (ooookay—proof please, or even evidence) Rael was given two missions: spreading that last message on Earth and preparing an embassy to welcome the return of our creators. (so, they have come back in their spaceships, are physically here, but still need a 'prophet'? WTF?)

 

Just another self-proclaimed 'prophet' spouting nonsense... with the twist of UFO's and 'ancient alien' stuff, move along.. nothing new to see here.

 

sometimes it's just too easy... sigh.

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You can thank me later when our alien overlords return and promote the true believers. You might even get a cool hat and fancy new title out of the deal.

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I Loved this rant! There are so many good "one liners" that it would be hard to mention them all.

 

However I loved your point that even our creator cant accept us as we are. Great point! What a FAILED creator in that case! And the old free will argument just doesn't work anymore. Screw that crutch for god.

 

One more that I loved. The chimpanzee thing! Great point! I am going to use that next time I have the old "I don't come from an ape" line!

 

Great job Ravenstar!

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I am not an atheist anymore... I am firmly an anti-theist. I believe that religion should be fought, torn down, whatever... with all the strength we have.

 

 

I personally do not understand why religion has a get-out-of-ridicule-free card. Religion requires ignorance to perpetuate so it doesn't bode well for a society to turn a blind eye to willful ignorance.

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Excellent rant

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from pantheistic witchcraft to Rosicrucianism, to Pentecostal

 

Those are all wrong. You won't find peace until you accept that it's the Raelians that offer the true religion. Well, them and the Mormons. smile.png

You forgot Scientology.

 

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Awe... thanks! (blush) blush.png

 

I have you and people like all of you here to thank for helping me learn critical thinking... and to have the courage to look at reality without the 'magical god goggles'.

 

Funny thing is... this view has made me care MORE about people and the state of the world than any religious view, and appreciate truth, beauty, life and nature more than I ever did. I'm a better person for it because if I actually care about something I have to do more than pray... I have to get involved.

 

so.. thank you all from the bottom of my heart for your bravery, intelligence and honest pursuit of truth, and for leading by example. EthelCGoldMedal.gif

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Scientology? I read Dianetics when i was 15....

 

They COULD have the truth! But unfortunately I don't have the money to find out :( lol

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Scientology? I read Dianetics when i was 15....

 

They COULD have the truth! But unfortunately I don't have the money to find out sad.png lol

They have distilled the money part down to a T for a religion, that's for sure. They take more than a 10th.

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I don't have enough money to claim bankruptcy either, according to a lawyer (? somehow these are related, I think)

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This is awesome! Thanks for writing it because it was my thought for this Sunday morning. I took a walk last night & was thinking how much I hate religion. I can feel compassion for the "true believers" many of them have been guilted & manipulated...but still, if they ever allowed themselves to think for a minute that they could actually be wrong about some things...but NEVER. It doesn't happen much that a sold out believer will STOP & reflect on the absurdity of religion.

 

Anyhow I must say I have a whole lot of anger towards those who continue to promote abusive religion. They have a choice because even their fables have good & merciful quotes, but many of the leaders hold the abusive, fearful & manipulative bible quotes close to them because they have used them so often on their own flock to manipulate them. I was thinking about my xpastor, I felt sorry for him but then I thought NO!!! He's been a jerk for decades, spewing the same hatred & calling it "love". He lies to people that his church is about grace & love, but anyone who has been in it for any amount of time eventually figures out that it is really about control, fear, obedience. I hate the lies, lies lies.

 

The religious assholes who spew their hate have options even in their holy book to choose the merciful bible verses...but they don't. So I now realize I can't feel sorry for them...THEY have made their choice. I want the whole abusive system to implode, to come falling down. My first hope is that the leaders will change, apologize to those who they have hurt & try to repair the damage they have done, but I know damn well that aint gonna happen. So now I'm just hoping that people will begin to see what bullshit it all is & think to themselves that "if there is a good god, is it really this much of an asshole???" I hope people can get FREE....not holding my breath, but I have a hope it might happen & if I can help then I hope to do what I can, but the wall religion has built is a hard one to get past for the "true believers".

 

Thanks for writing this Ravenstar!!

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Like these? cool!

 

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Now I just have to figure out what the best way is, for me, to walk my talk.

 

Confronting random religious people seems a bit... silly. I'm not yet skilled enough in logical debate to go into christian forums...(?) Maybe through my writing or art... it'll come to me when it's right.

 

I got pinned! (happy dance through the room!) That is so incredibly cool... woohoo.gif i'm... wow.

 

Dave.. thank you for this incredible place.

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from pantheistic witchcraft to Rosicrucianism, to Pentecostal

 

Those are all wrong. You won't find peace until you accept that it's the Raelians that offer the true religion. Well, them and the Mormons. smile.png

 

Raelians? They own them grocery stores, right?

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I’m a slow learner. It took me thirty plus years to figure it out and another seven years of study and research to convince me it was all a hoax, but even then it was hard to let go.

 

My Christian experience was limited to fundamentalism. When it comes to brainwashing those folks are absolute experts. I think they could probably teach the CIA a thing or two about indoctrinating people.I found out that God is easier to grab hold of then to let go of. I tried to make the liberal and even progressive forms of Christianity work for me after leaving my fundamentalists roots, but that didn’t work either. Once I became convinced the bible simply isn’t true in any literal or historical sense no form of Christianity made sense to me anymore.

 

I eventually accepted Deism as my “pacifier” because Deism is whatever you want it to be. It’s an agnostic alternative that says maybe there is something more, but whatever that is, if it actually exist, it certainly isn’t the God of the bible. I don’t possess faith anymore. If I have anything I guess I would label it hope. I hope there is more but I readily acknowledge there is no evidence that suggest there is.

 

I read “Stages of Faith” by James Fowler several years ago. That is when I became aware that a lot of people make this journey at some point in their life.

I have seen much evil done to people in the fundamentalists group I was part of for 27 years. Religious leaders are often arrogant, self-righteous, vindictive assholes. The Mary Winkler case in Selmer TN is an example. Her husband was a Church of Christ preacher with sadistic tendencies. He was addicted to pornography and made her dress up like a hooker and pleasure him in abusive ways. Divorce is simply not an option in the Church of Christ and that is especially true for preachers. When she reached her breaking point, and she could see no way out, she killed him with a shotgun. And her lawyer got her off. A person would almost have to have been a member of the Church of Christ to even begin to understand how hopeless her predicament was and why should would be motivated to do what she did. She was clearly an abused spouse.

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Isn't it weird the type of personalities that evangelicals draw as pastors? From my observations these are all con artists to some extent and the expression we have in Afrikaans, "Gladdebek" which is a "smooth talker". All of these folk when you get to know them up close, KNOW they are ripping folk off but it is an easy street occupation that pays fucking well in most cases even though they do not actually admit it. My last pastor had aspirations of an international ministry but also realised that a "maintenance ministry" was easier to sustain. X amount of parishioners and meet their whimsical needs pray with them, hospital visits etc. and you could live easy street till retirement.

 

It is all a fucking farce.

 

ETA: and they all have weaknesses of the "flesh"

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I’ve found it helps to acknowledge that Christians, like the Borg in the Star Trek shows, have been assimilated. They have a central authority that thinks for them because they are part of the collective now. They can do nothing and say nothing that has not been approved by the collective. The collective has programmed their minds and they are now slaves of the Borg.

 

If you did a brain scan on them you would see their brain has been replaced with a micro-chip. When their battery runs down they die and that forces the Borg to find a replacement. This sequence is repeated as often as necessary to keep the collective adequately populated.

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I’m a slow learner. It took me thirty plus years to figure it out and another seven years of study and research to convince me it was all a hoax, but even then it was hard to let go.

 

My Christian experience was limited to fundamentalism. When it comes to brainwashing those folks are absolute experts. I think they could probably teach the CIA a thing or two about indoctrinating people.I found out that God is easier to grab hold of then to let go of. I tried to make the liberal and even progressive forms of Christianity work for me after leaving my fundamentalists roots, but that didn’t work either. Once I became convinced the bible simply isn’t true in any literal or historical sense no form of Christianity made sense to me anymore.

 

I eventually accepted Deism as my “pacifier” because Deism is whatever you want it to be. It’s an agnostic alternative that says maybe there is something more, but whatever that is, if it actually exist, it certainly isn’t the God of the bible. I don’t possess faith anymore. If I have anything I guess I would label it hope. I hope there is more but I readily acknowledge there is no evidence that suggest there is.

 

I read “Stages of Faith” by James Fowler several years ago. That is when I became aware that a lot of people make this journey at some point in their life.

I have seen much evil done to people in the fundamentalists group I was part of for 27 years. Religious leaders are often arrogant, self-righteous, vindictive assholes. The Mary Winkler case in Selmer TN is an example. Her husband was a Church of Christ preacher with sadistic tendencies. He was addicted to pornography and made her dress up like a hooker and pleasure him in abusive ways. Divorce is simply not an option in the Church of Christ and that is especially true for preachers. When she reached her breaking point, and she could see no way out, she killed him with a shotgun. And her lawyer got her off. A person would almost have to have been a member of the Church of Christ to even begin to understand how hopeless her predicament was and why should would be motivated to do what she did. She was clearly an abused spouse.

I remember the Mary Winkler case! I was thinking.....was this woman abused?? Religious abuse is horrible then add to that your husband being the preacher...oh shit! I'm not saying her husband was this, but many narcissists heap tons of abuse on their nearest & dearest, while the outside thinks they are next to perfect. Interesting........
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