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Least Favourite Apologist-


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Feel free to add the one you actually respect if there is one........

 

I really cannot stand max Lucado. Well, mostly the ones who are idiots with no attempt to use the brain they think God has given them.

 

Ravi Zacharias is the only one I would eat dinner with.At least he actually is intelligent. 

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I loathe Dinesh D'Souza, he has an arrogance unmatched by anyone but William Lane Craig, yet he's not as intelligent as WLC. 

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Oh wow, let's see, the dumb (Josh MacDowell) or the clever but dishonest (WLC, Liar for Jesus) ... hmmm. Tough choice.

 

While I think it over, I am going to vote for my favorite apologist, G.K. Chesterton. That man was a mystic, and he is the most quotable person. I don't agree with his orthodox religiosity but me love mucho some of his thoughts on art:

 

"Red is the most joyful and dreadful thing in the physical universe; it is the fiercest note, it is the highest light, it is the place where the walls of this world of ours wear thinnest and something beyond burns through. It glows in the blood which sustains and in the fire which destroys us, in the roses of our romance and in the awful cup of our religion. It stands for all passionate happiness, as in faith or in first love."

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The more intellectual and philosophical the more irritating.  That makes it hard to pick between Ravi, Dinesh and William Lane Craig.  It seems so much more of a waste with some people who actually can think.

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Definitely Eric Hovind.  The horrendously arrogant ignorance spewing from him is enraging. 

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Eric is stupid on a level almost incomprehensible to me. That he is even considered an apologist dumbfounds. (or is he?)

 

Ever see the 'talk' he had with Thunderf00t? Obtuse isn't even close.

 

soo... yup, Eric, and his pops too.

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Eric is the one who was put in his place by an 11-yr old, right?  Eric's attempt to explain TAG was very sad.

 

All of these apologists are men.  Are ALL apologists men?  There was a Muslim gal some months ago who came on here as an apologist for Islam, and despite her initial declaration that she was in for the long haul, she stuck around for a very short time.

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I wouldn't classify Lucado as an apologist, based on what I've read from him. Or has he ventured down that path in recent years?

 

Anyway, my vote went to Craig, simply because he is held in such high regard by quite a number of Christians. His tired arguments are full of holes, but he's pretty good at sophisticated-sounding smooth-talk.

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Put me down for the Hovinds. The perfect combination of corrupt and stupid. 

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I haven't read much of John MacArthur (whom my father thinks is wonderful--so I nibbled at The Truth War), but does he count as an apologist?

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Ray Comfort. What a twit.

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I vote for Lee Strobel simply because so many dumb Christians look up to him as a intellectual, even though his arguments are full of logical fallacies. I've been told by more people, "if you would read Lee Strobel, you would understand why Christianity is true" than about any other apologist.

 

Female apologists - my experience of being in Evangelical/Fundamentalist communities is that apologists are mostly preaching to the choir, and the choir doesn't want to hear a woman. Moreover, the Fundigelicals certainly don't want a woman to be their representative to the heathens. I would guess that in the kind of churches were apologetics are popular, any woman who spoke up would be quickly informed that she was usurping a man's place.

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There is no choice for "All of the above".

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I voted Ravi, because holy fuck he is an arrogant and irrational twit who is only lucky that he is writing well past the time when Hitchens could have destroyed him with one sentence, but if one's dealing with the most offensive, smarmy git ever, I'm surprised that that gawky Thai-rentboy-dressing guy who hangs out with Ray Comfort, Kirk Cameron, didn't make the list.

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Oh yes- Kirk Cameron! He was on the radio a few days ago. The host ignored him.yellow.gif

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My favorite author/apologist as a christian was Philip Yancey (What's So Amazing About Grace, Where is God When It Hurts, etc.)  His writings sounded much more intelligent, educated,  and "deep" than Max Lucado's, whose writings seemed like just a bunch of feel-good fluff to me.  But he lost credibility with me when, in one of his books (I don't remember which one), he questioned the truth and validity of the evidence for evolution.....in other words, didn't accept it.  Once someone denies scientific fact, I no longer respect anything else they try to tell me.

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.. he lost credibility with me when, in one of his books (I don't remember which one), he questioned the truth and validity of the evidence for evolution.....in other words, didn't accept it.  Once someone denies scientific fact, I no longer respect anything else they try to tell me.

The same story with so many of us. I would be reading some Christian book by C.S. Lewis or some other highly respected apologist for Christianity and suddenly I would come across something that would bring me up short and I would be thinking "Seriously, what the fuck is this?!

 

I read a LOT of apologist writings about 15 years ago.  I wanted to believe then.  I was looking for someone to throw me a crumb - just give me something so I could hang in there.  I never found it.

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Max Lucado is a Church of Christ minister and is so liberal, by their standards, he's considered to be an apostate whacko by a lot of those who are current Church of Christ members. He is not even allowed to speak in a number of c of C congregations. Those who are not familiar with the Church of Christ would not appreciate his perspective or how far he’s come in his thinking. I'm neither endorsing or condemning his POV, I'm just saying he's considered a pretty far out guy by many in the c of c.

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I also used to love Philip Yancey because he challenged everything I thought I knew about my faith. Looking back, however, I now realise that he was the guy that set me on a path out of christianity

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I vote for Lee Strobel simply because so many dumb Christians look up to him as a intellectual, even though his arguments are full of logical fallacies. I've been told by more people, "if you would read Lee Strobel, you would understand

why Christianity is true" than about any other

apologist.

 

Female apologists - my experience of being in Evangelical/Fundamentalist communities is that apologists are mostly preaching to the choir, and the choir doesn't want to hear a woman. Moreover, the Fundigelicals certainly don't want

a woman to be their representative to the

heathens. I would guess that in the kind of churches were apologetics are popular, any

woman who spoke up would be quickly informed

that she was usurping a man's place.

Your comment just made me realize that I have never heard of a woman apologist.

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No woman apologists because women are not allowed to preach and the man is supposed to be the "spiritual head of the home" or so I was taught.  Bleeechh ugh.gif

 

I think some Christian denominations have woman preachers, but not Independent Baptists.

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