msipsy218 Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 The whole "Oh I trust him because he is a believer" thing really bugs me. Have we not seen that whole thought process debunked enough times to realize that christian does not equal good person? I was inspired to pot this by a review for a friend's flooring company. He is a good guy, and he can be trusted....honestly....I would be shocked if he did anything dishonest. But not because he is a christian. Because I KNOW him. Anyway, the review said: "Additionally, I strive to give work to companies that are faith based. It is important for me to know that I am helping a fellow believer and a part of everything I pay them is returned to God. (name of company) is a faith based company owned by, (friend), a worship leader in his church. This also gave me comfort that I could leave them alone with my daughters and wife without fear - which I did." So let me get this straight.... A) non-believers don't need or deserve to be paid....or "helped" as much as believers god has a paypal account? C) the fact that he is a christian means he won't fuck your wife or molest your daughter while you are out. hands down. no doubt about that. but you wouldn't trust a non-believer to not do those things?? Just AHH!! 4
mymistake Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 So let me get this straight.... A) non-believers don't need or deserve to be paid....or "helped" as much as believers god has a paypal account? C) the fact that he is a christian means he won't fuck your wife or molest your daughter while you are out. hands down. no doubt about that. but you wouldn't trust a non-believer to not do those things?? Thanks to the advanced technology of the Interwebs all alphabet based lists are obsol3t3. Yeay technology!!!1! I don't know about Christians not having affairs or molesting children. Perhaps they just feel more guilt about it? But several people in my family had the attitude you describe and became targets for con artists. "If I say a prayer with you then you will give me all your money? Let's pray!" Then a few weeks later the Christian is like "But I thought he was a good-Christian-man!" And yes, they do pronouce it as if "good Christian man" was all one word. It's funny how God and churches take credit cards these days. God is all powerful but needs your money. 1
emshi21 Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 YES! This is so common! I also liked the fact that, when I was religious and having a snobby moment in regards to what I considered crappy music, my friends would go 'But they're a Christian!'. As if this meant I had to bow down to their musical knowledge!! The same went for any other person in the public eye, or just generally someone we knew, as I guess it's considered bad to insult the people you have to spend eternity with in a fluffy white cloud.
midniterider Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 The whole "Oh I trust him because he is a believer" thing really bugs me. Have we not seen that whole thought process debunked enough times to realize that christian does not equal good person? I was inspired to pot this by a review for a friend's flooring company. He is a good guy, and he can be trusted....honestly....I would be shocked if he did anything dishonest. But not because he is a christian. Because I KNOW him. Anyway, the review said: "Additionally,I strive to give work to companies that are faith based. It is important for me to know that I am helping a fellow believer and a part of everything I pay them is returned to God. (name of company) is a faith based company owned by, (friend), a worship leader in his church. This also gave me comfort that I could leave them alone with my daughters and wife without fear - which I did." So let me get this straight.... A) non-believers don't need or deserve to be paid....or "helped" as much as believers god has a paypal account? C) the fact that he is a christian means he won't fuck your wife or molest your daughter while you are out. hands down. no doubt about that. but you wouldn't trust a non-believer to not do those things?? Just AHH!! There are no Christians in prison. :-) lol. 1
3DollarBill Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 Even if this notion were true it would be irrelevant. Churches preach all the time that there are closet non-believers among their ranks. Christians are seemingly unable to identify one other as such despite the notion that faith brings about radical change within a person. So radical, it seems, that it is either undetectable or easily faked. 5
OpheliaGinger Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 Business that make it a point to say, "Hey, we're Christians!" are the very ones you shouldn't patronize because they will rip you away from every dime they can under the guise of "Christianity." 4
Sybaris Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 Business that make it a point to say, "Hey, we're Christians!" are the very ones you shouldn't patronize because they will rip you away from every dime they can under the guise of "Christianity." My x-wife took our daughters to a "Christian" orthodontist. After I saw the estimate I took them to someone else and got an estimate for half as much. 2
msipsy218 Posted February 2, 2013 Author Posted February 2, 2013 So let me get this straight.... A) non-believers don't need or deserve to be paid....or "helped" as much as believers god has a paypal account? C) the fact that he is a christian means he won't fuck your wife or molest your daughter while you are out. hands down. no doubt about that. but you wouldn't trust a non-believer to not do those things?? Thanks to the advanced technology of the Interwebs all alphabet based lists are obsol3t3. Yeay technology!!!1! yea dangit, I always forget...
MultifariousBirdLady Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 "...a part of everything I pay them is returned to God..." In other words, part of everything someone pays them goes to their church. That could be a reason to NOT patronize them, right there. 1
Ross Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 Many parents leave their children with church leaders only to find out many years later the church leader abused the child sexually. They too trusted this xtian leader. Being a xtian in no way makes them any safer than the next person. It is just silly to think they would be safer.
mymistake Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 "...a part of everything I pay them is returned to God..." In other words, part of everything someone pays them goes to their church. That could be a reason to NOT patronize them, right there. That is how it works. You come to my church and give me 10% of your cut and in turn I will drop hints to my congregation about what an upstanding guy you are with your Christian business. It pays to be in the club.
ShackledNoMore Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 I am suspicious of businesses that flaunt their christianity exactly because it is the perfect ploy to draw in suckers customers who are lulled into your business because they think you will be trustworthy because you are christian, so that they can rake you over while you are off guard because of the unearned trust you have in them. Xianity can even be used as a tool maintain your trust even as they continue to rake you over.Even if I were still a christian and actually believed that christians were more virtuous than non-believers, I would probably be wary, using the "no true Scotsman" fallacy to rationalize that the world was full of fake (i.e., not "True") christians running this very con game.There is a higher divorce rate among xians than non-believers. The more fundigelical the xian, the higher the divorce rate. That's just fact. With xianitiy's obsession against sex and all the repression, I'd say a christian is more likely than a non-believer to fuck your wife or molest your daughter when you are out. It certainly seems to be borne out by the news stories as well as by looking at the proportion of believers to non-believers in prison compared to the general population.
Akheia Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 Of the several times I've been thoroughly fleeced by a business, it was always, no exception, all three times, a company that had a Jesus fish on their sign and business cards. I absolutely won't do business with a company that trumpets its religion anymore because of how badly I've been treated by businesses doing "the lord's work." For a religion whose god is supposed to be infilling its members and making them the salt to the world and the light in its darkness, Christianity seems to most often produce anti-witnesses.
ExCBooster Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 Wait... WAIT... Nooooooo! You're saying that the soundtrack of heaven is crappy "Christian Rock" ??!? ...and they wonder why "Life Eternal" doesn't sound appealing to some people. As for the trust thing, is it really that hard to trust people because they're trustworthy? I never got why someone's beliefs would determine whether they were safe with your money or not... Besides, as for being fleeced by businesses, I'm pretty confident that some cynical con artists put on a "Christian!" veneer, just to lift themselves above suspicion. After all, if you'll believe one kind of lies, you'll believe another. Some, though, I think, really do think that they can do no wrong, because they're Christian. ... I don't know which is worse...
Ross Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 The 3 times I worked for xtians who owned the businesses I worked in all ended not very nice. One wanted me to lie to a client for him. Another was fiddling the books and took forever to pay us what was owed. The 3rd was a slave driver.
msipsy218 Posted February 4, 2013 Author Posted February 4, 2013 My local christian radio station actually has a service called "handy man's corner" where christian (and only christian) businesses pay to have their business advertised. It's not like the regular advertisements, but specifically for "believers" to find other "believers" to hire to do work. And it's popular.
sarahlee Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 It kinda makes since. "He's like me so I can trust him." It's hypocritical, but so is everyone else. Chalk it up to human nature?
Akheia Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I've had way better luck trusting people on the basis of what kind of computer OS they favor. 1
midniterider Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 My local christian radio station actually has a service called "handy man's corner" where christian (and only christian) businesses pay to have their business advertised. It's not like the regular advertisements, but specifically for "believers" to find other "believers" to hire to do work. And it's popular. Sounds like it's time for FFRF to hit em with a discrimination lawsuit.
OpheliaGinger Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 My local christian radio station actually has a service called "handy man's corner" where christian (and only christian) businesses pay to have their business advertised. It's not like the regular advertisements, but specifically for "believers" to find other "believers" to hire to do work. And it's popular. Sounds like it's time for FFRF to hit em with a discrimination lawsuit. Is that a case of discrimination?
Akheia Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 It's a Christian radio station, and there's no indication based on what we've seen that these Christian businesses deny service or discounts to non-Christians.
Guest Babylonian Dream Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 My brother once told me that I could just leave my wallet laying around in church. No one would take it in a church. It's full of christians. Such holy good people. Guess we're not all sinners? Make up your mind!!!!!
alpha centauri Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Of the last three places I've worked, by far the best one didn't follow Christian values. It's the only place that gave me an annual raise, it offered insurance coverage from your first day of employement, and it offered the best company match on your 401(k). Unfortunately, they sold the business to a christian man who put "In God we trust" on the company banner. That was also the end of the raises, and the number of layoffs increased dramatically. The next two places I worked were also owned by christians. At one place, I was hired as management at a decent salary, but shortly after starting, I was appalled at learning what our other employees were making. The owner always flaunted a daily bible verse, but he treated his employees like crap, even causing one person so much stress they had a heart attack. It was a shitty place to work, and the insurance was terrible, so I got out as soon as I could. The next place was also owned by a christian. Things were a little better there, but she also doesn't like to give raises, and there are many unfilled positions. One manager quit in May 2011 (because of stress) and still hasn't been replaced. And yet, for those of us poor schmucks who are hourly employees, getting any overtime is like pulling teeth -- despite the extra workload from unfilled positions (one of which pays more than double my salary). The insurance is decent, but I had to wait SIX MONTHS until I was covered! I definitely miss working for the non-christian company, but around my neck of the woods, finding a non-christian employer is like finding a needle in a haystack. Even if they are non-christian, people tend to hide it because of discrimination.
Guest Babylonian Dream Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 From what I've been reading on here, you'd swear that the religion leads to narcissistic behaviors.
alpha centauri Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Babylonian Dream, funny isn't it, that a narcissistic god would have narcissistic followers! I've also found from personal experience that some of the nastiest fans at sporting events (based on their crude, terrible comments and over the top foul language) were those who attended "the world's largest Baptist university." They also declined to show "sportsmanship" to those they perceived to be their "enemies."
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