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[SquareOne]

I commented on a Christopher Hitchens video on Youtube, and got into a bit of a debate with a "Christian".  I was asking him to explain the basis of his beliefs.  Eventually, he presented this humorous tirade.

 

Square One: "You say that the fact that living by certain principles gives you a stable life, automatically means that those principles were given by God? Could it not simply be that thinkers of an earlier time figured out certain ways to keep society stable by trial and error, and so wrote them down for others to follow?

Be more empirical. Really. How do you know that Solomon was inspired by God? Did you meet him? Did you talk to him?"

 

Lunatic Christo: [T]hinkers decided nothing but to chose between good and evil, right or wrong. These commands (not just principles) were given by God and the consequences of obeying or disobeying were established. These laws governing mankind, had to come from a supreme law giver who had the capability of holding all who transgressed them accountable in this life and the life to come. If it is based on originating with the thinkers, than we have a real problem here for now you get into moral relativism and situational ethics. And we know with certainty how that plays out. It brings forth a Hitlers, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Mao Sae Tung, Idi Amin and the likes. All supposed "thinkers" who THOUGHT what they were doing was right and for the betterment of of their personal societies. And because "thinkers" believe in no supreme authority. i.e. God, than what the aforementioned people did would be considered just as moral and right as anyone else.

 

Now try convincing the victims on the receiving end of these despots madness that it was okay! Do you not see the ethical quagmire you create by saying, believing, and living as if there is no God and ultimate day of accountability and retribution. SquareOne, I assume you live here in America right?. As a citizen of the USA, you are governed and are expected to live and abide by not only federal, but state and local laws. Break them and you can end up free thinking in a cell or worst.

 

Now, much of the written constitution of this country, which is the foundation for the moral laws governing our nation is derived from where? Do you know? THE BIBLE! Yes, that very book you want to discredit and ignore! The three branches of our government - Judicial, Legislative, and Executive are based from what? The godless free thinkers certainly didn't come up with that! It's from the bible SquareOne, the WORD OF GOD! Isaiah 33:22 - The Lord is our Judge, Lawgiver, King; He will save us.

 

*cough*, John Locke, *cough* Second Treatsie on Government *cough*

 

Judge=judicial, Lawgiver=legislative, King=executive. Did you know that to formulate and complete this incredible document that governs this nation till this very day, that the signers called for a day(s) of fasting and prayer to God for directions and guidance? The majority of Universities, Colleges, Schools and Hospitals at its roots was started by Christians and NOT "free thinkers" i.e. atheists, evolutionists etc.?

 

Read the original statements of purpose for schools like Yale and Harvard. I could go on with more, but like I said, if you don't want to believe, nothing can be said or done to change that. Well, that's not quite true! 5 seconds after you take your last breath on this side of eternity, you will be thoroughly convinced - howbeit too late! I don't need to meet the framers and signers of the Constitution to know it exist and works. The greatness of this country and its longevity is proof.

 

Likewise, I don't need to know Solomon personally to know whether what he said was inspired by God. I live it and know it to be so. I've disobeyed it and also know the consequences to be so. SquareOne, whether you like it or not, you live in a country that has its foundational roots in the bible. That's why you enjoy the freedoms you do today. If you don't like it, there are flights leaving everyday for China, Iraq, Iran, India, Afghanistan, etc. Take your pick.

 

Many of these countries have some great "thinkers", Yeah, let me know how that works out for you! Warning: In the day that America abandons God and his commands; chaos, ruin and destruction will follow because the "thinkers" will be in power. Deuteronomy 30:13-15, 19 - "But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, THAT YOU MAY DO IT. 15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing;THEREFORE CHOSE LIFE, that both you and your descendants may live;" - The Lord God. 20. that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days; This is your "thinkers" proposition from God. Your trial and error! Choose correctly and you won't error!

 

Well fuck me sideways.

[ConureDelSol]

You American, you.

 

TL;DR Version:

 

*Divine command nonsense

*bad people were atheists/freethinkers 

*atheists/freethinkers have no morality

*Christian nation

*I know because I KNOW

*unAmerican if atheist/freethinker

*Pascal's Wager.

[RipVanWinkle]

Hitler was a Catholic. The mass killing of Jews was accomplished primarily by christians who were enlisted in the German military. The Crusades which involved killing Arabs, Jews and even fellow christians went on for over 200 years and were pursued by Catholics. The Inquisitions were carried out ruthlessly by Catholics. Protestants were primarily responsible for killing American Indians. Catholics almost wiped out Central and South American Indians. Killing the "faithful" was carried on off and of during the 1500 years after Constantine wherever and whenever it served the Catholic Church's purpose. After the Protestant Reformation 

Catholics and Protestants took turns killing each other. Who is this guy kidding?   bill

[Galien]

One wonders why he cannot see how corrupt all these institutions based on his precious bible are.

[Akheia]

Aw, c'mon, SquareOne. You're being mean. Bless his little satin panties. He's trying so hard.

[SquareOne]

Not hard enough Akheia!

[SquareOne]

I love his idea that the US Government founded separation of powers on the Bible.

 

Which he demonstrates by citing the fact that God is executive, legislative and judicial....

 

...

 

That's the exact opposite of separation of powers!

 

He himself proves that God has all three powers at once!

[Sybaris]

Love it. They're so myopic.

 

What usually shuts them up is ask them to explain the success of non-christian people, regions and countries throughout history.

[midniterider]

 

I commented on a Christopher Hitchens video on Youtube, and got into a bit of a debate with a "Christian".  I was asking him to explain the basis of his beliefs.  Eventually, he presented this humorous tirade.

 

Square One: "You say that the fact that living by certain principles gives you a stable life, automatically means that those principles were given by God? Could it not simply be that thinkers of an earlier time figured out certain ways to keep society stable by trial and error, and so wrote them down for others to follow?

Be more empirical. Really. How do you know that Solomon was inspired by God? Did you meet him? Did you talk to him?"

 

Lunatic Christo: [T]hinkers decided nothing but to chose between good and evil, right or wrong. These commands (not just principles) were given by God and the consequences of obeying or disobeying were established. These laws governing mankind, had to come from a supreme law giver who had the capability of holding all who transgressed them accountable in this life and the life to come. If it is based on originating with the thinkers, than we have a real problem here for now you get into moral relativism and situational ethics. And we know with certainty how that plays out. It brings forth a Hitlers, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Mao Sae Tung, Idi Amin and the likes. All supposed "thinkers" who THOUGHT what they were doing was right and for the betterment of of their personal societies. And because "thinkers" believe in no supreme authority. i.e. God, than what the aforementioned people did would be considered just as moral and right as anyone else.

 

Now try convincing the victims on the receiving end of these despots madness that it was okay! Do you not see the ethical quagmire you create by saying, believing, and living as if there is no God and ultimate day of accountability and retribution. SquareOne, I assume you live here in America right?. As a citizen of the USA, you are governed and are expected to live and abide by not only federal, but state and local laws. Break them and you can end up free thinking in a cell or worst.

 

Now, much of the written constitution of this country, which is the foundation for the moral laws governing our nation is derived from where? Do you know? THE BIBLE! Yes, that very book you want to discredit and ignore! The three branches of our government - Judicial, Legislative, and Executive are based from what? The godless free thinkers certainly didn't come up with that! It's from the bible SquareOne, the WORD OF GOD! Isaiah 33:22 - The Lord is our Judge, Lawgiver, King; He will save us.

 

*cough*, John Locke, *cough* Second Treatsie on Government *cough*

 

Judge=judicial, Lawgiver=legislative, King=executive. Did you know that to formulate and complete this incredible document that governs this nation till this very day, that the signers called for a day(s) of fasting and prayer to God for directions and guidance? The majority of Universities, Colleges, Schools and Hospitals at its roots was started by Christians and NOT "free thinkers" i.e. atheists, evolutionists etc.?

 

Read the original statements of purpose for schools like Yale and Harvard. I could go on with more, but like I said, if you don't want to believe, nothing can be said or done to change that. Well, that's not quite true! 5 seconds after you take your last breath on this side of eternity, you will be thoroughly convinced - howbeit too late! I don't need to meet the framers and signers of the Constitution to know it exist and works. The greatness of this country and its longevity is proof.

 

Likewise, I don't need to know Solomon personally to know whether what he said was inspired by God. I live it and know it to be so. I've disobeyed it and also know the consequences to be so. SquareOne, whether you like it or not, you live in a country that has its foundational roots in the bible. That's why you enjoy the freedoms you do today. If you don't like it, there are flights leaving everyday for China, Iraq, Iran, India, Afghanistan, etc. Take your pick.

 

Many of these countries have some great "thinkers", Yeah, let me know how that works out for you! Warning: In the day that America abandons God and his commands; chaos, ruin and destruction will follow because the "thinkers" will be in power. Deuteronomy 30:13-15, 19 - "But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, THAT YOU MAY DO IT. 15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing;THEREFORE CHOSE LIFE, that both you and your descendants may live;" - The Lord God. 20. that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days; This is your "thinkers" proposition from God. Your trial and error! Choose correctly and you won't error!

 

Well fuck me sideways.

 

Be afraid...without Jebus....be very afraid. :-)

[midniterider]

I love his idea that the US Government founded separation of powers on the Bible.

 

Which he demonstrates by citing the fact that God is executive, legislative and judicial....

 

...

 

That's the exact opposite of separation of powers!

 

He himself proves that God has all three powers at once!

 

They musta forgot to fast when they came up with the 1st amendment. :-)

[owen652]

christians always roll out the names of fascist dictators in the twentieth century who were atheists. Obviously, we can roll out names too, as william mentioned all the crusades and colonial massacres of aboriginal populations etc etc. I think the point they miss is that when christians massacre people, they do it in the name of God, whereas the dictators mentioned did NOT do it in the name of atheism but rather in the name of greed/power/politics. Who flies planes into buildings and terrorises other countries in the name of atheism? The fact that they were atheists is a side note, not the actual root cause of the genocide.

[SquareOne]

 

 whereas the dictators mentioned did NOT do it in the name of atheism but rather in the name of greed/power/politics.

 

But as I have pointed out to him - even if they did do their acts in the name of atheism - then so what?

 

It still has no bearing on whether God exists.

 

It's a straw man argument.

[Akheia]

Precisely so and a distracting tactic besides.

 

"But..but..but..ATHEISTDICTATORSAREMEAN!" = "Quick! Get out! Don't look behind the curtain!"

 

Just as, technically, the actions of Christians doesn't prove God exists or doesn't exist. Though I'd say that when you claim your god fills you and guides you, and you still see vast herds of your fellow Christians managing to act like total douchenozzles, that's a glaring indication that something's wrong with the claim.

[SquareOne]

True that, Akheia.

 

I like Dawkins' joke that Hitler and Stalin both had moustaches, but that doesn't mean all people with moustaches are evil.

[Galien]

True that, Akheia.

 

I like Dawkins' joke that Hitler and Stalin both had moustaches, but that doesn't mean all people with moustaches are evil.

 

I thought they were all porn stars...

[Akheia]

TRUE.

[SquareOne]

But wait!  There's more!

 

SquareOne, thanks for your inbox response. I've been kind of busy and haven't had time to reply back like I want to. I will over the next couple of days. I don't want a knock down - drag out either. I will answer at least this question you posed concerning why I believe in the validity of the bible. 

 

Let me make a point here to set the stage for my answer; I know you said you lived in the United Kingdom. I'm not sure how a person obtains a drivers license there, but here in America there is a standard procedure pretty much across the country. Each state has a drivers manual that have rules that are uniform across the country. There may be slight variations in some peripheral rules like age to obtain a license, legal alcohol limits, etc., but everything else is the same. The purpose of the manual of course is to make sure a person knows what is expected of them to be able to maneuver through this country from point A to B without causing an accident, breaking the law, killing yourself or somebody else. Now the interesting thing is this, no one questions 1. Who wrote the manual? 2. Is it valid? 3. Is it true? 4. Another countries manual will work just as well here. Everyone goes in with the understanding that if they want their license and want to survive on the road, they MUST abide by the laws, procedures, and directions of this manual. Do I need to know who wrote the manual to understand that its true? No! Do I know if the people who wrote it were drunks, adulterers, liars, thieves, abusers, etc.? No! I will know if the manual is true if I obey or disobey what it says. It will be tried and tested. I will know that the people who wrote it knew what they were talking about. The penalty for disobeying can be anything from points against my license up to causing a death(s) - mine or someone else's. The bible is likewise the manual to get you through this life and into the life to come (point A to point B without causing a wreck or killing yourself or someone else. Is it important who penned the words? No! How will I know if its true? It is tried and tested! It has told of the past, and predicted with utmost accuracy the future. It has answered innumerable times the the seemingly unanswerable questions of the historian and archaeologists. The consequences for disobeying it have been consistently proven. The reward for obeying the same. It has stood the test of time and most certainly outlived and will always outlive as well as silence all its critics, skeptics, and haters. Greater minds than yours and mine combined have tried with relentless fervor to abolish it and it remains as steady, unshakeable, and as sure as the rising and setting of the sun. It remains hands down, the #1 best seller ever! Hitchens is simply another weak link in a chain of people who have futilely tried to abolish the thought of God and his Word, only to travel the same dead end route as the others. 

SquareOne, Hebrews 9:27 says this: "And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,..." The first clause of this verse is 100% accurate, it is never wrong. I happen to work in the mortuary business and I know this beyond any doubt. I refuse to take a chance that the second clause is wrong. There is too much at stake to lose. My friend, if you want to follow the path of Hitchens, you are certainly free to do so. But you had better have infinite knowledge of ALL things before you make the conclusion that there is no God and the Bible is wrong. By the way, if you had infinite knowledge, that would make you God. 

So God exists one way or the other. Let me leave you with this story, if you chose to follow the Hitchens ideology:
A man walking on his way home chose to take a shortcut through a cemetery. As he observed the different headstones, he came across one that had this epithet: "Pause stranger, as you pass by. As you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you will be; so prepare to die and follow me." The man began to contemplate this saying as he walked around the grave in deep thought. As he rounded to the rear of the headstone, he noticed that someone had attached a sign on the back that said; "To follow you, I'm not content, until I know which way you went."

I will leave you for now on that note, but you have a serious choice to make in the days ahead. If you really desire to know the truth and have assurance of your eternal end, we will keep talking. I will answer your other questions Monday or Tuesday.

[owen652]

But wait!  There's more!

 

SquareOne, thanks for your inbox response. I've been kind of busy and haven't had time to reply back like I want to. I will over the next couple of days. I don't want a knock down - drag out either. I will answer at least this question you posed concerning why I believe in the validity of the bible. 

 

Let me make a point here to set the stage for my answer; I know you said you lived in the United Kingdom. I'm not sure how a person obtains a drivers license there, but here in America there is a standard procedure pretty much across the country. Each state has a drivers manual that have rules that are uniform across the country. There may be slight variations in some peripheral rules like age to obtain a license, legal alcohol limits, etc., but everything else is the same. The purpose of the manual of course is to make sure a person knows what is expected of them to be able to maneuver through this country from point A to B without causing an accident, breaking the law, killing yourself or somebody else. Now the interesting thing is this, no one questions 1. Who wrote the manual? 2. Is it valid? 3. Is it true? 4. Another countries manual will work just as well here. Everyone goes in with the understanding that if they want their license and want to survive on the road, they MUST abide by the laws, procedures, and directions of this manual. Do I need to know who wrote the manual to understand that its true? No! Do I know if the people who wrote it were drunks, adulterers, liars, thieves, abusers, etc.? No! I will know if the manual is true if I obey or disobey what it says. It will be tried and tested. I will know that the people who wrote it knew what they were talking about. The penalty for disobeying can be anything from points against my license up to causing a death(s) - mine or someone else's. The bible is likewise the manual to get you through this life and into the life to come (point A to point B without causing a wreck or killing yourself or someone else. Is it important who penned the words? No! How will I know if its true? It is tried and tested! It has told of the past, and predicted with utmost accuracy the future. It has answered innumerable times the the seemingly unanswerable questions of the historian and archaeologists. The consequences for disobeying it have been consistently proven. The reward for obeying the same. It has stood the test of time and most certainly outlived and will always outlive as well as silence all its critics, skeptics, and haters. Greater minds than yours and mine combined have tried with relentless fervor to abolish it and it remains as steady, unshakeable, and as sure as the rising and setting of the sun. It remains hands down, the #1 best seller ever! Hitchens is simply another weak link in a chain of people who have futilely tried to abolish the thought of God and his Word, only to travel the same dead end route as the others. 

 

SquareOne, Hebrews 9:27 says this: "And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,..." The first clause of this verse is 100% accurate, it is never wrong. I happen to work in the mortuary business and I know this beyond any doubt. I refuse to take a chance that the second clause is wrong. There is too much at stake to lose. My friend, if you want to follow the path of Hitchens, you are certainly free to do so. But you had better have infinite knowledge of ALL things before you make the conclusion that there is no God and the Bible is wrong. By the way, if you had infinite knowledge, that would make you God. 

 

So God exists one way or the other. Let me leave you with this story, if you chose to follow the Hitchens ideology:

A man walking on his way home chose to take a shortcut through a cemetery. As he observed the different headstones, he came across one that had this epithet: "Pause stranger, as you pass by. As you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you will be; so prepare to die and follow me." The man began to contemplate this saying as he walked around the grave in deep thought. As he rounded to the rear of the headstone, he noticed that someone had attached a sign on the back that said; "To follow you, I'm not content, until I know which way you went."

 

I will leave you for now on that note, but you have a serious choice to make in the days ahead. If you really desire to know the truth and have assurance of your eternal end, we will keep talking. I will answer your other questions Monday or Tuesday.

nice copy/paste job from some apologist book he read. does he even realize that this is just a typical false dichotomy? We only have one 'driving manual' to follow when it comes to driving, but to say that the Christian 'manual' is the only available manual out there is idiotic. There are bookshelves loaded with innumerable different manuals. And even his little parting story of the cemetary actually undermines his argument. This person sounds like someone who likes to think he's intellectual and knows what he's talking about, but really just regurgitates crap he's read somewhere. Squash him like a bug.

[Akheia]

One manual? Huh. There are 30,000 denominations. I wonder which of the 30,000 driving manuals we're supposed to trust? One manual says we're supposed to turn right on red after stopping; one says no no, it's left on red after stopping; one says don't stop at all. One says stop twice then go straight on red.

 

And that's not even to mention the thousands of gods and hundreds of other religions out there all with their own manuals. Every manual says it's a real one, and many contradict the others entirely. Which of these manuals should we be following?

[SquareOne]

Duh, the one he's heard of!  (That is, heard of, not read.)

 

[Overcame Faith]

What that person wrote is very instructive and illuminating. Of course, I don't mean that what he said has any validity. Rather, it clearly demonstrates the absolutely rigid mindset of the true-believer. I believe the writer was being completely sincere and was sharing what he believed to be absolute truth. It again confirms what I have already come to know over the years: that trying to convince someone like that that Christianity is a false religion and that his Bible is not inspired by God is impossible until, if ever, they are ready.

 

I was recently with a group of people just like the writer quoted above. Their minds were made and closed and said many similar things as the writer. This is why Christianity endures with such fervor and strength. It's sad (and maddening), but that's the way it is.

[SquareOne]

 

It again confirms what I have already come to know over the years: that trying to convince someone like that that Christianity is a false religion and that his Bible is not inspired by God is impossible until, if ever, they are ready.

 

I agree.

 

For many people it is necessary to want to challenge the idea that God exists, in order to discover the truth.  If a person really wants God to exist, they will find a way to believe, even in the face of common sense, their own morals, and all the evidence.

[LoneTarus]

 

But wait!  There's more!

 

SquareOne, thanks for your inbox response. I've been kind of busy and haven't had time to reply back like I want to. I will over the next couple of days. I don't want a knock down - drag out either. I will answer at least this question you posed concerning why I believe in the validity of the bible. 

 

Let me make a point here to set the stage for my answer; I know you said you lived in the United Kingdom. I'm not sure how a person obtains a drivers license there, but here in America there is a standard procedure pretty much across the country. Each state has a drivers manual that have rules that are uniform across the country. There may be slight variations in some peripheral rules like age to obtain a license, legal alcohol limits, etc., but everything else is the same. The purpose of the manual of course is to make sure a person knows what is expected of them to be able to maneuver through this country from point A to B without causing an accident, breaking the law, killing yourself or somebody else. Now the interesting thing is this, no one questions 1. Who wrote the manual? 2. Is it valid? 3. Is it true? 4. Another countries manual will work just as well here. Everyone goes in with the understanding that if they want their license and want to survive on the road, they MUST abide by the laws, procedures, and directions of this manual. Do I need to know who wrote the manual to understand that its true? No! Do I know if the people who wrote it were drunks, adulterers, liars, thieves, abusers, etc.? No! I will know if the manual is true if I obey or disobey what it says. It will be tried and tested. I will know that the people who wrote it knew what they were talking about. The penalty for disobeying can be anything from points against my license up to causing a death(s) - mine or someone else's. The bible is likewise the manual to get you through this life and into the life to come (point A to point B without causing a wreck or killing yourself or someone else. Is it important who penned the words? No! How will I know if its true? It is tried and tested! It has told of the past, and predicted with utmost accuracy the future. It has answered innumerable times the the seemingly unanswerable questions of the historian and archaeologists. The consequences for disobeying it have been consistently proven. The reward for obeying the same. It has stood the test of time and most certainly outlived and will always outlive as well as silence all its critics, skeptics, and haters. Greater minds than yours and mine combined have tried with relentless fervor to abolish it and it remains as steady, unshakeable, and as sure as the rising and setting of the sun. It remains hands down, the #1 best seller ever! Hitchens is simply another weak link in a chain of people who have futilely tried to abolish the thought of God and his Word, only to travel the same dead end route as the others. 

 

SquareOne, Hebrews 9:27 says this: "And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,..." The first clause of this verse is 100% accurate, it is never wrong. I happen to work in the mortuary business and I know this beyond any doubt. I refuse to take a chance that the second clause is wrong. There is too much at stake to lose. My friend, if you want to follow the path of Hitchens, you are certainly free to do so. But you had better have infinite knowledge of ALL things before you make the conclusion that there is no God and the Bible is wrong. By the way, if you had infinite knowledge, that would make you God. 

 

So God exists one way or the other. Let me leave you with this story, if you chose to follow the Hitchens ideology:

A man walking on his way home chose to take a shortcut through a cemetery. As he observed the different headstones, he came across one that had this epithet: "Pause stranger, as you pass by. As you are now, so once was I. As I am now, so you will be; so prepare to die and follow me." The man began to contemplate this saying as he walked around the grave in deep thought. As he rounded to the rear of the headstone, he noticed that someone had attached a sign on the back that said; "To follow you, I'm not content, until I know which way you went."

 

I will leave you for now on that note, but you have a serious choice to make in the days ahead. If you really desire to know the truth and have assurance of your eternal end, we will keep talking. I will answer your other questions Monday or Tuesday.

nice copy/paste job from some apologist book he read. does he even realize that this is just a typical false dichotomy? We only have one 'driving manual' to follow when it comes to driving, but to say that the Christian 'manual' is the only available manual out there is idiotic. There are bookshelves loaded with innumerable different manuals. And even his little parting story of the cemetary actually undermines his argument. This person sounds like someone who likes to think he's intellectual and knows what he's talking about, but really just regurgitates crap he's read somewhere. Squash him like a bug.

 

So in other words he's likely to be a pastor then I wouldn't doubt it if he was I know i've heard the same tired old shit from the pulpit many times.

[RipVanWinkle]

Does that idiot Xtian have any concept that he is piling unsubstantiated opinion. upon unsubstantiated opinion, etc with not a single piece of evidence? Not to mention almost every mistake in logic one can think of.   bill

[Lilith666]

Holy grilled cheesus. I'm in high school, and I could give this guy a history lesson.

 

The bible did not invent democracy. The ancient Greeks did. They passed it on to us, and we made adjustments.

We got our ideas of "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" from John Locke. The Enlightenment writers, not the bible, gave us concepts of checks and balances (Montesquieu) and the right to overthrow an oppressive government (Rousseau).

The bible says that men may sell their daughters, and slave masters will not be punished if a slave dies a few days after a beating, because the slave is property. Anyone who cursed his or her parents was killed. Working on the sabbath warranted death. Women who were suspected of having slept with a man outside of marriage and could not prove otherwise were killed. Disobedient children were stoned. God killed about 72 people for touching the sacred ark. The YouTube "intellectual" can thank non-religious people that we don't live under the bible's human rights code.

 

The Inquisition was all about god, and look what happened there. Oh wait--they probably weren't REAL Xians. Didn't have the holy spook in 'em. (Gotta love that escape hatch.)