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One thing that used to piss me off even at an early age was all the stereotyping I heard about

people who are "born-again Christians". You probably know what i mean. From hearing fundagelical

Christians talk about the rest of the world, you get the idea that everyone who is not like them is drunk

off their ass every single Friday and Saturday night and/or doing tons of drugs, wildly promiscuous,

lazy or corrupt on the job, and since the internet age has dawned every single "unsaved" guy is jerking

it to porn like six times a day.

 

Here's what I think is going on with this bullshit.

 

1. They have an insular subculture where broad-brushing the rest of the world helps enforce group solidarity.

Ironically and conveniently, they do not see how this behavioral social dynamic itself is very much like the rest of "the world" and then some. Some of their kids if sheltered enough will just blindly believe it and grow up to perpetuate the stereotypes.

 

2. We might gauge from lovingly told tales of past debauchery and drama in a lot of "testimonies" that a lot of people in the fundagelical world have personalities that couldn't get their shit together without some sort of religious rigamarole. Their crap about how atheists have no basis for morality is really about an atheistic(or really just religiously indifferent) version of themselves.I do not know if any research has been done on this, but maybe the same people who are in a bar 3 times a week at age 30 will be at church 3 times a week when they are 50?

 

3. Christians are kinda picky about which sins they villify. In the US at least, it's just fine to be a greedy imperialistic piglet.

God forbid you smoked pot once when you were seventeen, though...that would make you a bona fide sinner!

 

4. They are projecting. I think most of us on here grasp how a repressive religious environment makes things

stew in your subconscious, and desires can come out in twisted ways....like a kinky affair...or lots of jerking it to porn.

 

5. Their dad was an alcoholic, they went to one too many frat parties in college, etc. Somehow they have indeed had more than

average contact with the cliches they vilify

 

 

 

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

 

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In the beginning of my post I meant to say stereotyping of people who are NOT 'born-again christians".

Is there no edit function in this forum?

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Edit kicks in at 25 posts.

 

I'm going to go burn one and watch a few xxx while I ponder these excellent points.

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One thing that used to piss me off even at an early age was all the stereotyping I heard about

people who are not "born-again Christians". You probably know what i mean. From hearing fundagelical

Christians talk about the rest of the world, you get the idea that everyone who is not like them is drunk

off their ass every single Friday and Saturday night and/or doing tons of drugs, wildly promiscuous,

lazy or corrupt on the job, and since the internet age has dawned every single "unsaved" guy is jerking

it to porn like six times a day.

 

That's what they think about the unsaved? I thought they believed we were agents of Satan who ate fried, human babies on toast while raping each other. I guess the fundagelicals have varying ideas about who the unsaved are.

 

Here's what I think is going on with this bullshit.

 

1. They have an insular subculture where broad-brushing the rest of the world helps enforce group solidarity.

Ironically and conveniently, they do not see how this behavioral social dynamic itself is very much like the rest of "the world" and then some. Some of their kids if sheltered enough will just blindly believe it and grow up to perpetuate the stereotypes.

 

2. We might gauge from lovingly told tales of past debauchery and drama in a lot of "testimonies" that a lot of people in the fundagelical world have personalities that couldn't get their shit together without some sort of religious rigamarole. Their crap about how atheists have no basis for morality is really about an atheistic(or really just religiously indifferent) version of themselves.I do not know if any research has been done on this, but maybe the same people who are in a bar 3 times a week at age 30 will be at church 3 times a week when they are 50?

 

3. Christians are kinda picky about which sins they villify. In the US at least, it's just fine to be a greedy imperialistic piglet.

God forbid you smoked pot once when you were seventeen, though...that would make you a bona fide sinner!

 

4. They are projecting. I think most of us on here grasp how a repressive religious environment makes things

stew in your subconscious, and desires can come out in twisted ways....like a kinky affair...or lots of jerking it to porn.

 

5. Their dad was an alcoholic, they went to one too many frat parties in college, etc. Somehow they have indeed had more than

average contact with the cliches they vilify

 

 

 

 

Any thoughts?

It always annoys me as well when the believer say, "Atheists have no basis for morality". Most people are able to feel empathy and that is the reason for morality to exist. We don't need some god to tell us not to go on a killing spree, because we know that we would not want to be a victim of a killing spree and we know that killing sprees are not going to help our species survive, and will not do anything we don't want others to do to us or commit any actions that might jeopardize our survival as a species.

 

It takes religion and beliefs in certain gods to completely suppress empathy and justify personal biases against the lifestyles of others because they are not understood by the majority or not appealing to the majority. Quite a few Christians think their Bible is a basis for morality, but if they followed their entire Bible, then their foundation they build their idea of "morality on" is full of holes and cracks, making it extremely weak. Most Christians know this, so they reject the rules in their Bible that they know is absurd and say, "Well, that was the Old Testament, we don't need to follow those rules anymore."

 

Also, judging others negatively just gives them a way to feel better about themselves, it makes them "right" and gives them justification to discriminate against people who are different than they are and in some cases even persecute people who are different. The extreme fundamentalists need to feel like they are "right" and that everyone not a part of their collective is "wrong" or "evil".

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One thing that used to piss me off even at an early age was all the stereotyping I heard about

people who are "born-again Christians". You probably know what i mean. From hearing fundagelical

Christians talk about the rest of the world, you get the idea that everyone who is not like them is drunk

off their ass every single Friday and Saturday night and/or doing tons of drugs, wildly promiscuous,

lazy or corrupt on the job, and since the internet age has dawned every single "unsaved" guy is jerking

it to porn like six times a day.

 

Here's what I think is going on with this bullshit.

 

1. They have an insular subculture where broad-brushing the rest of the world helps enforce group solidarity.

Ironically and conveniently, they do not see how this behavioral social dynamic itself is very much like the rest of "the world" and then some. Some of their kids if sheltered enough will just blindly believe it and grow up to perpetuate the stereotypes.

 

2. We might gauge from lovingly told tales of past debauchery and drama in a lot of "testimonies" that a lot of people in the fundagelical world have personalities that couldn't get their shit together without some sort of religious rigamarole. Their crap about how atheists have no basis for morality is really about an atheistic(or really just religiously indifferent) version of themselves.I do not know if any research has been done on this, but maybe the same people who are in a bar 3 times a week at age 30 will be at church 3 times a week when they are 50?

 

3. Christians are kinda picky about which sins they villify. In the US at least, it's just fine to be a greedy imperialistic piglet.

God forbid you smoked pot once when you were seventeen, though...that would make you a bona fide sinner!

 

4. They are projecting. I think most of us on here grasp how a repressive religious environment makes things

stew in your subconscious, and desires can come out in twisted ways....like a kinky affair...or lots of jerking it to porn.

 

5. Their dad was an alcoholic, they went to one too many frat parties in college, etc. Somehow they have indeed had more than

average contact with the cliches they vilify

 

 

 

 

Any thoughts?

All those things and more.  They aren't worth my time.  They lie.  They cheat.  They are addicted to irrational thinking.  They aren't worth your time either.

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Mostly agreed to the points though I may find a few details should be tweaked a bit if I think about it. By and large yeah... they don't know shit about atheists, or worse, claim to know it all when they are dead wrong about everything. Of course it's also, indeed, a thing of "if we make Them the enemy, it binds us all together as a group of allies". As for being irrational, sure they are. But then, the true morontheist's mind doesn't care about truth or fallacy... only about the origin of any claim. If it comes from the right führer it's automatically true. It's a conveniently easy worldview I have to admit.

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They paint everyone who is not "one of them" with the same brush because it reinforces their need for salvation from themselves. As BrenF says, they love these testimonials from drug addicts, alcoholics and so on because it underlines their need for a god to fix their problems for them. They point their fingers at "non christians" or worse still, "ex-christians" because when these people get it together in life and succeed without going to church/praying/reading the bible, it undermines their need for religious authentication.

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Christians are a borg mentality with the bible as the hive mind. They don't convert they assimilate.

 

I once scared an apologist away by calling him a Borg and I told him to go back to his Borg cube.

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Christians are a borg mentality with the bible as the hive mind. They don't convert they assimilate.

I once scared an apologist away by calling him a Borg and I told him to go back to his Borg cube.

You mean borg pyramid.
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Christians are a borg mentality with the bible as the hive mind. They don't convert they assimilate.

I once scared an apologist away by calling him a Borg and I told him to go back to his Borg cube.

You mean borg pyramid.

 

 

Borg Pyramid with a steeple on it. Actually, the borg comment wasn't the only thing that scared the apologist away. I compared his god to Lex Luthor and the Joker as well.

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Believers stereotype us and we stereotype them. Probably the most maligned and stereotyped group is the Scientologists, and of course it turns out nobody actually knows any. The only times stereotyping gets noticed around here is if somebody stereotypes Muslims or Woos. They are protected species in the minds of many.

 

Stereotyping is normal for human groups. Stereotypes don't arise out of thin air, however. There is always some basis for it. We simply lose sight of the exceptions to the popular view.

 

Christians do have an excuse for stereotyping non-believers - the Bible. That book fills their heads with some pretty wild pictures that even the worst Non-believers could never live up to.

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Christians are a borg mentality with the bible as the hive mind. They don't convert they assimilate.

 

Personally, I think the Borg still make more sense than the morontheists. At least I can understand the Borg point of view, in a way. I fail do do that with morontheists. :pureevil:

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Another stereotype is that people disbelieve to justify their breaking god's rules. It's not about logic or finding moral problems in the bible. Any logical errors or moral errors in the Bible that atheists perceive are supposedly lies and excuses. Christians say atheists know that god exists and is good, but they deny it and overlook the evidence that suggests he is good. Since he healed people, it's supposedly makes it right to send people to hell.

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Heh yeah that one's absurd to the 4th power. "disbelieve to justify their breaking god's rules"? You can only break someone's rules if you accept the existence of that someone. If you accept the existence of the babblical monster gods you also accept their utter dominance compared to yourself (at least if you believe morontheist style, not the lukewarm way the mainstream churches are over here). Just how moronic is the claim that someone supposedly thinks just by actively (trying to) disbelieve in such an entity's existence will one be safe from its vengeful counterstrike?

 

But hey, for a few moments the claim sounds good, and a few moments are the longest time morontheists allow themselves to think about anything.

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I was relistening to 3vid3nc3  on youtube. 

 

When he was talking about his conversation with the professor,  the professor stated that there are people in the world who simply cannot function without a parental figure, or something similar.   

 

This is very much the thinking of many BACs.  THEY can't function without it, therefore  EVERYONE can't function without,  Therefore, if you don't have it  YOU are what's wrong with the world. 

 

It is very much US Vs THEM or Vs The Other thinking.   There is no other option.  You are either with them or you are the enemy.  The enemy can't be viewed as like US in anyway.  Therefore, they are the absolute worst in humanity.   If you think of propaganda put out by any side in a war about the enemy, then you get what I am talking about. 

 

Very much childish thinking.

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Childish, yes, from our point of view. But if one embraces the authoritarian way of thinking... it all appears very logical.

I guess.

Fortunately I never really was that authoritarian in my life, though some 10 to 15 years ago I was much more conservative than I am today. Actually many would say that I did a full U-turn regarding many of my views firedevil.gif

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I was taught that non-believers rejected the existance of God, therefore they rejected love. Therefore, they are incapable of feeling true love. When I was a Christian, I was shocked that an atheist girl gave me a hug because they are supposedly unloving. I've found out that love is naturally hard wired into the brain. Humans naturally crave human bonding even without belief in God.

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