Guilt-Trip Because Of A Fucking Song

[Ralet]

I dont know why i still listen to this song. Maybe because i like to scratch healing wounds or only because I still love this band.

 

Emery- You wanted it

 

Run you coward, you run
These words crippled my confidence
The hymn I can't escape from
This is over and done with
This race had made me more than weary, I am dead

I created everything here that I wanted to see
So what that your plan, to leave me out?
We were all reciting messages and pushing repeat
But this world you made does it let you breathe?
Does it let you feel anything but yourself?
When was the last time?

Does it let you breathe?
Does it let you feel anything but yourself?
When was the last time you saw anyone else?

Whispers and echoes of love fading

The plans you made, you wanted it
The bitter taste, you wanted it
What god became, you wanted it
But the one thing you need, you'll never get
There was more of you and less of me
You blamed it on the chemistry
Can you close your eyes and when you rest your head?
It didn't have to be this way, but you wanted it

They were just calendar days
I'm sure it's all written down
But if you'll let me just ask
Is this how you bring the crowd to their feet?
You hurt because it wasn't about you (About me?)
You're always scared the floor is gonna give way (I call the shots!)
We could end this, we could end this (Don't you ever tell me what I've got)

Whispers and echoes of love fading

The plans you made, you wanted it
The bitter taste, you wanted it
What god became, you wanted it
But the one thing you need, you'll never get
There was more of you and less of me
You blamed it on the chemistry
Can you close your eyes and when you rest your head?
It didn't have to be this way, but you wanted it

I wanted!
I wanted!
I wanted!
I wanted this!

You made it such a lonely world
Such a very lonely world
You bent the answers into questions
You let the voice go unheard
And you couldn't trust yourself
Cause what if everything you felt
Meant this was not yours alone
Every single word
Every single little word that was said
And all the simple fears
And all the nights that you cried in your bed
Hoping I was there but you told yourself
You're old and alone
But you were never the widow
You left on your own

I was washed in the blood
I was born of a spirit but I drowned
When you found me out there

Rejoice!
Rejoice the old King is dead!
Long live the new king!
I am the new King!

Whispers and echoes of love fading

The plans you made, you wanted it
The bitter taste, you wanted it
What god became, you wanted it
But the one thing you need, you'll never get
There was more of you and less of me
You blamed it on the chemistry
Can you close your eyes and when you rest your head?
It didn't have to be this way, but you wanted it

I know it is just a fucking song made by a stupid christian band, but it still triggers something inside of me.

I know there is no christian god, I do not believe in him, but how can i stop this feeling of missing out on something? I feel so incomplete and lost without faith and I am so angry at myself for this foolish feelings. It seems like my brain and my feelings aren't connected.

[◊ crazyguy123 ◊]

Is this supposed to be a song about how sad the Christian god is when people stop believing in him? If that is the case, this song was probably meant to be one big guilt-trip.

[Ralet]

jup. and it pisses me off that it still works for me.

[◊ crazyguy123 ◊]

jup. and it pisses me off that it still works for me.

 

Well, if it works, then all you've got to do is remember this: "If some god wanted me in my life, my relationship with him wouldn't have been so one-sided and besides, I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with a narcissist anyway. That's a toxic personality I don't need to be stuck with!"

[ExXex]

Maybe you just need some songs to guilt trip you the other way!

 

Here's a start; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk41Gbjljfo

Dear God don't know if you noticed but
Your name is on a lot of quotes in this book
And us crazy humans wrote it, you should take a look
And all the people that you made in your image
Still believing that junk is true
Well I know it ain't, and so do you
Dear God
I can't believe in
I don't believe

I won't believe in heaven or hell
No saints, no sinners, no devil as well
No pearly gates, no thorny crown
You're always letting us humans down
The wars you bring, the babes you drown
Those lost at sea and never found
And it's the same the whole world 'round
The hurt I see helps to compound
The Father, Son and Holy Ghost
Is just somebody's unholy hoax
And if you're up there you'll perceive
That my heart's here upon my sleeve
If there's one thing I don't believe in

It's you

 

Or maybe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaGXVU2CbNs

God wants peace
God wants war
God wants famine
God wants chain stores

What God wants God gets

 

And then of course there's always Slayer

[DarthKoopa]

When I go to church with my wife (she believes) I rewrite all the songs in my head. It's fun! I usually make them about how god was never there at all. Sometimes I turn them into songs praising my dark lord Cthulhu!

[DarthKoopa]

You could sneak in a small device with YOUR FAVORITE TUNES and have ear buds in your ears and ignore what is being preached or sung.

I could but I want to hear their ignorant poison so I can't point it out to my wife. There is still hope for her. At the very least she already hates most of christian culture.

[mymistake]

I prescribe some good, old-fashioned rock and roll.

[ToHellWithMe]

As an ex-christian you're not supposed to listen to that kind of garbage. Shame on you! Goes against the creed. Start looking into the church-burning norwegian bands. That should set you back on the right path.

[traveller2]

I prescribe some good, old-fashioned rock and roll.

 

 

Yes that's what i thought too! or anything that's your genre that makes you feel good.

i actually hated christian music as a christian and even tried to 'like' it and conform but it seemed too feminine and wishy washy.However it was actually a good secular song by 'Disturbed' that  first got thru my 'christian amour' and began my real deconversion by connecting me with my true feelings and self.Hooray for evil secular bands!

[ExXex]

I remember when my home church's pastor's wife asked me what music I liked, I floundered vaguely a bit so she prompted 'any Christian bands?'. Felt like such a christian failure haha.

I always felt a bit conflicted between my love of sweary confrontational shouty music and my beliefs. I remember when my dad found my Wumpscut (don't particularly like them but I guess with titles like 'Christfuck' they stood out) MP3s, oh the shaaame.

[Endemoniada]

Maybe you just need some songs to guilt trip you the other way!

 

Here's a start; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk41Gbjljfo

Dear God don't know if you noticed but

Your name is on a lot of quotes in this book

And us crazy humans wrote it, you should take a look

And all the people that you made in your image

Still believing that junk is true

Well I know it ain't, and so do you

Dear God

I can't believe in

I don't believe

 

I won't believe in heaven or hell

No saints, no sinners, no devil as well

No pearly gates, no thorny crown

You're always letting us humans down

The wars you bring, the babes you drown

Those lost at sea and never found

And it's the same the whole world 'round

The hurt I see helps to compound

The Father, Son and Holy Ghost

Is just somebody's unholy hoax

And if you're up there you'll perceive

That my heart's here upon my sleeve

If there's one thing I don't believe in

 

It's you

 

Or maybe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaGXVU2CbNs

God wants peace

God wants war

God wants famine

God wants chain stores

 

What God wants God gets

 

And then of course there's always Slayer

And Nine Inch Nails:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BB-W7jIeobU

[◊ crazyguy123 ◊]

This is a song I really liked as a believer (It may be a guilt trip, so anyone who thinks the song might have that affect on them should not listen): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic8SZbRbxvA

 

I have a feeling it is probably another guilt-trip song, since when I heard it, I interpreted it as "God" feeling like nails are being driven through his soul when believers left him for whatever reason. I was quite a fan of Demon Hunter, once, but I kind of fell away from listening to the band after I came to the conclusion that "God" was a pretty messed up character.

 

Lol, when I saw some of the comments to the music video, it made me want to debate religion, but I know that if I did, especially in the comment section of a religious band, I might as well be poking a needle in my finger and then dipping it into a fish tank filled with piranha.

[Fernweh]

Your German right? Try this one. Let the sunrise on a new chapter of your life and contemplate the world around without the constraints of religious guilt. Enjoy your neue Freiheit!

 

[stryper]

I still like this one. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WlRt8z5bHA

 

 

Though I am finding it more and more irritating.  I am not broken.  I don't need an outside force to fix me.  There is no disease of self. etc etc etc. 

[greylight]

Can't think of a specific song right now that could help. But, here's a something I do for myself if I end up listening to a band that I know is xian.... i still have a lot of them on my itunes and enjoy listening to them sometimes. I replace the subject matter  that could be about god to something that is applicable to myself. So I might think, wow these lyrics really describe how I felt during my deconversion, but then how I found myself again and created meaning for myself. It might be harder to do if the lyrics specifically say 'jesus' or 'god' though, but it might help you out.

[swdee]

To the op, you have thrown the baby out with the bathwater when you now don't believe in God at all.

Yes the christian God is shit, but that's just their idea of God that's shit, doesn't mean that there is no God/creator.

 

You say you know there is no God/creator, but no one knows that really.

It makes a lot more sense to me that the universe had a cause and that there is an intelligence behind everything.

 

It's a fundamental mistake people make, the church/christians annoy them so they discard everything including a God/creator.

 

I actually feel like "piggy in the middle" where I agree with christians idea of a creator but dislike their other teachings, but also agree with atheists attack on christianity but dislike their lack of belief in a creator.

 

You say you now feel lost and incomplete without faith in God, well that's why. There can be a love and peace that comes from God's spirit, and you've turned your back on it. The most I feel closest to God that is when I'm walking in nature.

[greylight]

How about the OP can process their beliefs in their own time? They don't have to believe anything, and how do you know that's why they are feeling the way they are now? Just because a certain belief works for you doesn't mean it works for everyone. Maybe it involves a god, maybe it doesn't. Saying things like "you've thrown away the baby with the bath water", isn't helpful or constructive.  I'm not sure if you are trying to help, but it came across as rude and judgmental. Respect a person's process as they go through a struggle, and maybe try rephrasing your opinion in a different way.

[swdee]

Saying things like "you've thrown away the baby with the bath water", isn't helpful or constructive.  

 

I just meant that it's a real shame that because someone is pissed off with christianity and christians the whole lot goes when it doesn't have to.

That is being constructive.

[Ralet]

I just said that I know there is no christian god, meaning how he is presented in the bible. I don't know if there are gods or other spiritual beings but actually I don't care if they exist. He/She/They don't communicated clearly with use and do affect our lives so why should I waste my time looking for them?

 

You say you now feel lost and incomplete without faith in God, well that's why. There can be a love and peace that comes from God's spirit, and you've turned your back on it. The most I feel closest to God that is when I'm walking in nature.

Which God? How do you know that it is God that you feel close to? May you connect with ghosts, aliens or the feelings are given by yourself via a form of mediation.

[swdee]

Which God? How do you know that it is God that you feel close to? May you connect with ghosts, aliens or the feelings are given by yourself via a form of mediation.

 

I don't accept any particular religious idea of God, especially not the christian idea, just an abstract idea of a creator.

 

I understand what you're saying but I'm just talking from personal experience, that feelings of love etc, how can that just be some chemicals?

I really think that there has to be more than the physical.

 

Maybe you feel lost without this? I'm not saying it is but maybe?

 

I do wish you all the best

[Ralet]

It is good if it works for you,swdee, but i can't settle for vague spirituality. I don't see the point in believing in a loving god that cant or do not want to help or guide me. Of course, I miss the feeling of being loved and that someone created me the way I am, but replacing it with a belief that has no foundation and no influence of my actual life, seems like a waste of time for me. I can find joy in nature, watching clouds,seeing children play and the little things in everyday life without making up a concept of a god/divine love/ creator.

 

@all: thanks for your posts and music suggestions