rach Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 The scripture book "song of Solomon" is one of a few scripture books that I still read, other ones being such as "psalms", "esther" and "proverbs"....I still enjoy reading some of the nonviolent books/passages. Interestingly song of solomon is the only scripture book I found that had no violence. I read the whole book "song of solomon" although I did not understand much due to the biblical language. But when I looked online to find out what it's about someone said it's about a brother being in love with it's sister ("How delightful is your love, my sister, my bride"). And also I wonder why this book is part of the bible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 It is pornography. No joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duderonomy Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 It is pornography. No joke. It's drop dead sexy, no doubt. Oh, and to rach, it's still part of the Bible because the Catholic Church said it was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megasamurai Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 5:6 I opened to my beloved; but my beloved had withdrawn himself, and was gone: my soul failed when he spake: I sought him, but I could not find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer. Beautiful. There's a fisting reference in the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosier Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Has anyone here ever heard a sermon preached from this book? Personally I haven't but it would be interesting to hear someone try to spin this into one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthKoopa Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Has anyone here ever heard a sermon preached from this book? Personally I haven't but it would be interesting to hear someone try to spin this into one. Yes my church is all about this book. They say its an allegory about how god loves us and pursues us. Check out the IHOP (international house of prayer) people in Kansas City. Those freaks are all about songs of Solomon as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ crazyguy123 ◊ Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 It is pornography. No joke. It's drop dead sexy, no doubt. Oh, and to rach, it's still part of the Bible because the Catholic Church said it was. I thought the Catholic church hated pornography because having fun and showing too much skin is depraved and evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylight Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Actually, I've heard that this book should be about the WONDERS OF MARITAL SEX... but if the popular belief that this is by Solomon is true...didn't he end up having hundreds of wives? Also i feel like it's really stretching it to say that this is about gods love for the church especially considering the sexual references. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShackledNoMore Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Actually, I've heard that this book should be about the WONDERS OF MARITAL SEX... but if the popular belief that this is by Solomon is true...didn't he end up having hundreds of wives? Also i feel like it's really stretching it to say that this is about gods love for the church especially considering the sexual references. Spot on. It's a risque story about Solomon and one of his hundreds of wives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Biblical marriage is one man having great sex with hundreds of women. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ crazyguy123 ◊ Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Biblical marriage is one man having great sex with hundreds of women. All of which that one man got by giving money to their fathers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miekko Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 It is pornography. No joke. It's drop dead sexy, no doubt. Oh, and to rach, it's still part of the Bible because the Catholic Church said it was. It's also part of Jewish bibles, and of the bibles of the earliest still living schisms in Christianity, none of which were influenced by anything we can reasonably call 'the catholic church' (unless we use a very wide definition of 'catholic'); we have more evidence of people being upset over the inclusion of Esther (in which God is not mentioned once) than over the inclusion of Song of Songs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megasamurai Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Interpreting Song of Solomon as God's love is sick. God wants us to literally suck his dick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene39 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I've heard the book used in a couple of manners - a lesson plan for God's view of intimacy (obviously married people ONLY!) and then others view it as a type of Jesus and the church (very disgusting!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rach Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 Has anyone here ever heard a sermon preached from this book? Personally I haven't but it would be interesting to hear someone try to spin this into one. We had a few sermon from this book when I was a child. Hard to remember. They had the children leave for childrens lessons but I stayed a couple of times in the auditorium with a-mum. The minister taught it as being a celebration of marriage, love and sex basically. But I just remember how it got silly and people started giggling when the minister read "Your teeth are like a flock of sheep just shorn, coming up from the washing" and "Your breasts are like two fawns". I was a child and I really didn't understand but the atmosphere did get pretty awkward at parts as song of Solomon is a sexual book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rach Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 Is it true that it's about sex between a brother and sister? Was that acceptable back then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fweethawt Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Is it true that it's about sex between a brother and sister? Was that acceptable back then? Ever wonder how Adam and Eve's kids blossomed into the populace we have today? There ya go! SOMEBODY banged their sister along the way. Actually, a growing populace started by just two people would need plenty of sister banging. Haven't you ever heard a preacher teaching that incest was allowed by god back then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Is it true that it's about sex between a brother and sister? Was that acceptable back then? Even to this day there is a local culture that practices marriage between close relatives. Abraham and Sara were supposedly brother and sister (not that they were real people). But all through the Old Testament there is a 'marry your relative' theme. Isaac and Rebecca were cousins. Lebban was Rebecca's brother so Israel married two of his own first cousins. The Irony is that the practice might have originated from the "false" Egyptian religions that Christians and Jews despise so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miekko Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Is it true that it's about sex between a brother and sister? Was that acceptable back then? Even to this day there is a local culture that practices marriage between close relatives. Abraham and Sara were supposedly brother and sister (not that they were real people). But all through the Old Testament there is a 'marry your relative' theme. Isaac and Rebecca were cousins. Lebban was Rebecca's brother so Israel married two of his own first cousins. The Irony is that the practice might have originated from the "false" Egyptian religions that Christians and Jews despise so much. Marrying cousins isn't exclusively a Jewish thing; basically, the only cultures on earth where it's considered even somewhat objectionable are Europe and cultures derived from Europe - and it stems from a ban the catholic church came up with in medieval times. Not that the ban is entirely bad - it weakens clans and tribes a lot, as the idea of having your fortune pass on within a restricted relations-based clan once you kick the bucket doesn't work as well if marrying cousins isn't permitted. Ascribing it to Egyptian influence when even Australian Aborigines do it seems somewhat superfluous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miekko Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Is it true that it's about sex between a brother and sister? Was that acceptable back then? It was not considered ok in Judaism. Most cultures around the world have strict bans on sex within the immediate family - and it turns out the 'most primitive' cultures often have elaborate systems that reduces the risk of accidental half-sibling incest. (More on that further down.) However, familiar terms - especially 'brother' and 'sister' sometimes are used metaphorically, that much should be pretty damn obvious. Skin Groups and the Incest Taboo It is not entirely unusual in cultures around the world to marry cousins. It is not entirely unusual either for a man to avoid marrying his father's brother's daughter or his mother's sister's daughter. Why would that particular cousin be out of bounds? Well, it is well know that marital faithfulness is not something we can rely on - there is always the risk that your father's brother's wife has gotten pregnant with your father instead, or that your mother's sister got pregnant with your father. However, assuming the incest taboo holds, your father's sister's offspring are definitely kosher. Your mother's brother's offspring are a slight bit less certain: who knows, your dad may've scored with his wife. However, in that case, the offspring is likely to look significantly different from the purported father, (unlike if the wrong brother impregnates a woman)... Anyways, in Australian Aboriginal Culture, different tribes have different systems along these lines, where everyone is, depending on the skin group of their parents, assigned into some other such a skin group. Each skin group has details as to whom a member of what group can marry. However, all of them have as a consequence that you cannot marry your dad's brother's daughter or your mother's sister's daughter. E.g. among the Lardil, a male member of the Burrarangi can marry Ngarrijbalangi girls exclusively, and they will have kids who are Kamarrangi, who can marry a Balyarriny. If your father is a Burrarangi, then your uncle too is a burrarangi. Both these marry ngarrijbalangi women, and both you and your cousins will be kamarrangi, so you cannot marry each other. However, both of you can marry balyarriny persons. The male kamarrangi and female balyarriny will have burrarangi offspring, and the opposite couple will have buranyi offspring. (This system may seem peculiarly restrictive in who you can marry; however, these tribes were not very large, and you were likely to be related in some way to everyone in them. Ultimately, better systems could have been devised for to ensure this, but this system is what they did come up with, and it's a system that did spread over a whole continent so there's got to be something to it - maybe it's stable over time unlike some more detailed taboos that only exclude the specific cousins? I am not advocating this system, just saying we shouldn't judge them before really thinking it through in detail.) The incest taboo seems to be one that easily is generalized - there's a valley in Papua New Guinea where a bunch of tribes all speak different languages. Marrying someone who speaks the same language natively is objectionable to them, probably as a result of the incest taboo having been extended rather strongly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duderonomy Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 We've all missed the worst thing about the Song of Solomon...you just can't dance to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blood Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Isn't Song of Solomon one of the few OT texts not referenced anywhere in the NT? Along with Esther and Ecclesiastes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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