CliffordStamper Posted August 29, 2013 Author Share Posted August 29, 2013 Don't run off before we even know why you came here. Your posts are all over the place. Can you focus a little bit? Yes I will try to focus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornagainathiest Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 To be sure stryper Don't go on my account man! I won't hold you to that. But just be a tad more careful about what you write and how you write it, ok? 2 Peter 1 : 3 - 9 Titus 1 : 6 - 9 1 Timothy 2 & 3 Galatians 5 : 22 & 23, NIV. "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentless and... self-control." Thanks, BAA. This post just goes to show that even in the midst of the all the BS and ancient propaganda there is some good stuff in the bible. Course that could probably be said about Mein Kampf too. There is some wisdom in the Bible, Stryper. But it's source is the mind of men, not god. BAA 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExXex Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I'm not angry, just disappointed. Well really, this is a place where many of us come to deal with our anger, frustration and pain caused by our religious experiences. I think most of what you're seeing IS us working through our anger. You can't just switch it off, you have to prod at it and poke it and talk about it with other people and this is a website in which we can do that without it being destructive. Aaand I think some of us are learning (or maybe just me haha) that anger is a human emotion and we have a right to it. So I'm not sure you are getting it, if you're basing your judgements from what you've seen here then you're just getting the small slice of it where most of the anger is processed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 It's going to be better ... It's going to get better. It will be alright down the road. But you have to get past the anger Not for IT Not for them, but for yourself. Yes, it did! When I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryper Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 But it's source is the mind of men, not god. BAA Which is another excellent point in favor of humans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilith666 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 .... OK, Christian guy, come in here and tell us you know how we feel but we need to just get over it. I guess you really didn't come here for Amy reason other than to yell at us and tell us how to run our lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I did not say one word about going back to Christianity, I haven't said that anywhere in this forum. And I won't Had I not been labeled "Authentic Christian Believer" when I signed up here you all would have taken this thread a whole lot different It's OK Only an idiot would open a hornets nest and not know they will get a sting or two. I won't argue / debate the bible, not with anyone. I won't argue/debate Doctrine.. I have not and will not defend any part of Christianity. Show me one place where I have and I'll leave!!! So who decides that your God is the God of the Bible? Who filled in that value? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ crazyguy123 ◊ Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Clifford, why do you think we need to "get past the anger" as you put it? Anger can be a very useful thing. Anger is a strong motivator and can be used to make change, whether good or bad. The anger is not and never has been a problem. All that matters is what is done with that anger. But from what I have seen, a lot of the anger towards Christianity and certain Christians has very little to do with personal experiences with Christianity (though for some that is a major part of it). I have not had a lot of the terrible experiences with Christianity and Christians that some people have had, though my deconversion was certainly not a pleasant experience for me, with the fear of Hell and a violent god with a bad temper, but I still feel angry at Christianity. The reason is because of the harm that I see it do. I have seen the damage that is caused by some of the Bible's teachings and in my opinion, that makes Christianity a poison. I feel disgusted that children, from a very young age, have Christianity either spoon-fed to them or jammed violently down their throats, but either way, they are converted before they even have a chance to learn how to think critically. I realize that anger can sometimes make a bad situation worse, but I will never drop the anger I have towards Christianity until that abominable religion stops destroying people. What I do with that anger will depend on whether or not it makes the situation worse. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezer Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I did not say one word about going back to Christianity, I haven't said that anywhere in this forum. And I won't Had I not been labeled "Authentic Christian Believer" when I signed up here you all would have taken this thread a whole lot different It's OK Only an idiot would open a hornets nest and not know they will get a sting or two. I won't argue / debate the bible, not with anyone. I won't argue/debate Doctrine.. I have not and will not defend any part of Christianity. Show me one place where I have and I'll leave!!! I went back and read C.S. original post in the context that he is not a Christian. That did change my perspective. I still think your basic premise is wrong CS, but I will cut you some slack and agree that I misinterpreted your original post. I would encourage your to get a mod to change your pubic status from believer to whatever it is that you are now. If they can't do that then I think you might want to consider creating a new account. And I apologize for taking you out of context in my response to your original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted August 29, 2013 Super Moderator Share Posted August 29, 2013 I would encourage your to get a mod to change your pubic status from believer to whatever it is that you are now. If you'll notice, where the profile says "Any gods?" he answers "The God of the Bible." I think that qualifies as "Believer" status. Oh, and it's "public" not "pubic." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaLeah Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Hi, Cliff, I agree that getting past anger is healthy. But while people are working through anger, it's healthy to express and acknowledge that anger, not pretend you don't feel it, or shove it down and repress it. In a way, I think of this site as a support group: That is, it's a safe place to express anger or sadness or fears and work through those feelings. I don't think anyone should have to apologize or feel bad for feeling or expressing their anger and frustrations as they work on healing. That said, there are healthy and unhealthy ways of expressing anger--name calling, sarcasm or lashing out at others doesn't help. Acknowledging the pain they've endured and giving an honest account of their own personal experiences can help them and help other people come to terms with the wrongs that have been done to them and others, and they can learn to forgive or move past those wrongs to live a healthy life. They can discuss ways of protecting their own children from going through the same pain and damage. They can discuss upcoming legislation that would suppress others and bring awareness to issues like that so that we can vote against it or write to our congress person. If I understand your post correctly, you think it's better if people stop feeling angry... but the ranting way you write your post is a lot like screaming at a person to just, "Get over it!" if they're going through grief or depression. You seem angry yourself, and angry at other people for being angry. Maybe we just aren't understanding the tone you're trying to convey? Your post reads like an angry rant, but maybe that isn't the way you mean it? Are you intentionally trying to provoke people here or just trying to get their attention? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliffordStamper Posted August 29, 2013 Author Share Posted August 29, 2013 I did not say one word about going back to Christianity, I haven't said that anywhere in this forum. And I won't Had I not been labeled "Authentic Christian Believer" when I signed up here you all would have taken this thread a whole lot different It's OK Only an idiot would open a hornets nest and not know they will get a sting or two. I won't argue / debate the bible, not with anyone. I won't argue/debate Doctrine.. I have not and will not defend any part of Christianity. Show me one place where I have and I'll leave!!! So who decides that your God is the God of the Bible? Who filled in that value? I decided that the God of the bible was my God. I filled in that value myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ crazyguy123 ◊ Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 This may sound like an odd question Clifford, but is that guy in your avatar from Maple Story? I have never played Maple Story before, but I have seen a few images of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipVanWinkle Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 "Maybe we just aren't understanding the tone you're trying to convey? Your post reads like an angry rant, but maybe that isn't the way you mean it? Are you intentionally trying to provoke people here or just trying to get their attention?" RaLeah asked you a good question. I'd like an answer too. If find it difficult to know from your posts where you are coming from or where you are going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliffordStamper Posted August 29, 2013 Author Share Posted August 29, 2013 I would encourage your to get a mod to change your pubic status from believer to whatever it is that you are now. If you'll notice, where the profile says "Any gods?" he answers "The God of the Bible." I think that qualifies as "Believer" status. Oh, and it's "public" not "pubic." "Christian" is in big red letters placed directly in the center, The assumption is that all "Christians" are trolls or here to convert or lost. Yes I believe in the God of the bible But the label "Christian doesn't mean to you what it meant when it was given. And it was given!!! Not claimed as today. Christianity is NOT what it was then. I do not claim to be "CHRISTIAN I don;t like being called CHRISTIAN. Read my posts without the big red CHRISTIAN beside them and see if they doesn't read different. Cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliffordStamper Posted August 29, 2013 Author Share Posted August 29, 2013 This may sound like an odd question Clifford, but is that guy in your avatar from Maple Story? I have never played Maple Story before, but I have seen a few images of it. When avatars first started getting popular I used a program to make the little guy He is a caricature of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherJosh Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Yes I believe in the God of the bible But the label "Christian doesn't mean to you what it meant when it was given. And it was given!!! Not claimed as today. Christianity is NOT what it was then. I do not claim to be "CHRISTIAN I don;t like being called CHRISTIAN. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Tough guy is tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fweethawt Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I would encourage your to get a mod to change your pubic status from believer to whatever it is that you are now. If you'll notice, where the profile says "Any gods?" he answers "The God of the Bible." I think that qualifies as "Believer" status. Oh, and it's "public" not "pubic." "Christian" is in big red letters placed directly in the center, The assumption is that all "Christians" are trolls or here to convert or lost. Yes I believe in the God of the bible But the label "Christian doesn't mean to you what it meant when it was given. And it was given!!! Not claimed as today. Christianity is NOT what it was then. I do not claim to be "CHRISTIAN I don;t like being called CHRISTIAN. Read my posts without the big red CHRISTIAN beside them and see if they doesn't read different. Cliff. I'm not going back to reread your posts, but I DO understand what you are saying about the WORD 'christian'. I believe it started out being a derogatory label towards people of the faith. It means/meant something along the lines of 'little christ' or 'little savior'. I'm also aware that even before Rome adopted/made/rebuilt what came to be known as the christian faith, the adherents were mostly a strange and outcast group(s) of people from various other religions -- not just one. So, yeah, I can see why you may not want to be called 'christian' from that standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaLeah Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I think "Christian" means a believer in the Bible and a follower of Christ. If you believe the Bible and follow Christ... that means being a Christian. I could say I don't like it when people call me an agent, because they think agents are books snobs who are preventing a bunch of good books from getting published. But I am an agent. It's what I do for a job. It doesn't matter if some people think pleasant thoughts about my job and other people think unpleasant things about my job. It's still my job, and it accurately describes a part of who I am. If you believe in God, but you aren't a follower of Christ, then you aren't a Christian. If you follow Christ, you are a Christian. If some other people calling themselves Christians are giving Christians a bad name, that's on them, not on you. (Maybe you think THEY aren't truly Christians because they aren't following Christ?) Be that as it may, YOU can still strive to be one of the good ones. To truly live what you believe, to be kind to others, forgiving of others, and working to have more love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, meekness, goodness and faith. I have said before that I have a lot of very dear friends and family members who are Christians--they live it out in their lives. They are smart and kind, and they enjoy going to church and believing in God. I say, good for them and good for their friends, family and communities. I'm not angry with them, and I don't try to de-convert them. So what I'm trying to figure out--what are you mad at? Your posts do sound angry though, and I'm trying to figure out what has you upset. Are you angry at Christians for not living a Christ-like life? Are you angry at people who are no longer believers who sound too judgmental of Christianity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fweethawt Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I think "Christian" means a believer in the Bible and a follower of Christ. If you believe the Bible and follow Christ... that means being a Christian. That is the NEWER "definition" -- not what the word initially meant at its inception. 'Christian' was originally meant as an insult. Think of it like the word 'nigger'. Some black people like being called that by other black people so, they use it with each other as a way of claiming the insult for themselves and not allowing it to give the sting that it used to. The word 'christian' has a similar history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 The assumption is that all "Christians" are trolls or here to convert or lost. Nope. That is not the assumption. But it is the experience that most christians do those things. There have been exceptions and there will be exceptions again. Given how much you've been trolling I cannot count you as one of those exceptions. Yes I believe in the God of the bible But the label "Christian doesn't mean to you what it meant when it was given. And it was given!!! Not claimed as today. Christianity is NOT what it was then. I do not claim to be "CHRISTIAN I don;t like being called CHRISTIAN. Read my posts without the big red CHRISTIAN beside them and see if they doesn't read different. The OP here and in the PunkASSkidd thread look like trolling to me. Doesn't matter what your profile says; I'm talking about the words in your title and the message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I decided that the God of the bible was my God. I filled in that value myself. Publicly stating that you follow a Christian book is what made the mods suspect that you are probably Christian. They can't read minds you know and their eyes have been blinded to spiritual truth because they don't have the Holy Spirit dwelling in their hearts. Give them a break. Don't act like you have a chip on your shoulder and people won't treat you like you have a chip on your shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owen652 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 you're funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankStranger Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Hey Clifford- I'm glad you're here. Seriously... whether you're genuinely curious or a christian troll that we can kick around... either way I hope you stick around. People haven't been exactly welcoming to you- myself included. I mean, this is an EXchristian forum- most of us have very real logical, philosophical, political, and experiential problems with that cluster-fuck of a religion. Now you've shown up displaying "god of the bible" as your gawd and posting pretty much the same shit we hear from christians regularly. So why does it surprise you that most of us have been less than positive in our reactions? Now if you really ARE here in the spirit of genuine curiosity, reconciliation, friendship, or the like- that's great. But you're gonna have to communicate more clearly else you'll be dismissed as just another blow-hard christian... we get lots of those on this site. They generally either lose interest or get banned because they can't/won't have an honest dialogue. Personally I'd lean towards keeping all but the absolute worst ones around... but not everybody sees it that way. So what are you trying to accomplish here? Is the christian label truly not appropriate? Why not (I mean, you do have "god of the bible" listed)? How do your beliefs differ from a billion or so fools who call themselves 'christian'? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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