wndwalkr99 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Hi guys, Ok so this is not about science vs religion per se, but it could be classified in science vs woo. I have been seeing a chiropractor for some time. She is competent as a chiropractor, but she has rubbed me the wrong way on several occasions by being a little pushy about her Christianity. Since this is a small Midwestern town, I don't have that many options, and it doesn't bother me all that much, so I let it go. Last visit, however, I walked into the changing room, where she has bulletin boards with reading material. Usually they are silly platitudes, and sometimes information about chiropractics. This time there was a flyer with anti-vaccination propaganda. I was horrified at how irresponsibly it was presented. So I've decided not to see the dumb bitch anymore. I feel she deserves an explanation. This is what I've composed so far. I'm looking for ideas. I want this to be somewhat productive and for her not to write off what I've said, because there are a lot of impressionable idiots around here with children who don't need rubella. I think the last paragraph is too harsh but I do want to get my point across. Let me know what you think...edits are welcome!! ******** Dear Dr. XXXXX, Though I believe you are a competent chiropractor, I have decided to take my business elsewhere. I feel I owe you an explanation. The last time I was in your office, I was shocked to see anti-vaccination propaganda in the changing room, without any information about the consequences should one choose not to vaccinate. This is a personal issue for me, as my father and several family friends contracted polio in the early 1950s and struggle with the effects to this day. I do not feel that I can trust my health to someone who so irresponsibly portrays the perceived dangers of vaccinations, but does not even address the very real horrors that have been nearly eradicated by vaccines. Thank you, and if you would like to discuss, please reach me on Facebook. *********** 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentLoner Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I would have been way harsher, but I think you did a good job. Well done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wndwalkr99 Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 Thank you. I want to be way harsher. But I will probably see her "around", and I'm not interested in discussing in person....and I would be willing to have a discussion with her about it if she is willing. But, yeah, I want to burn her ass, and I want to do it publicly. Not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I don't see why owe her anything but the letter looked fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skepticalme Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 FYI, the field of chiropractic is just as woo as anti-vaccination. Not much of a suprise they run in the same circles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wndwalkr99 Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 FYI, the field of chiropractic is just as woo as anti-vaccination. Not much of a suprise they run in the same circles. I'm suspicious of that as well. In terms of the direct effects of spinal/skeletal adjustment, I have seen that in my own x-rays, and if I can go in there with a headache, a stiff back, and an ankle that's killing me, and leave in ten minutes without those problems (and it sticks), then that is good enough for me. But as for the claims that they can cure everything from allergies to cancer...that is bullshit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marty Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I had some great success with a chiropractor when I had whiplash and neck/headache problems. But they can not cure things like Tinnitus, ear infections, etc like they claim. They do tend to be more into the voodoo type stuff; my chiro would do this thing with my arm to "verify" my spine was in alignment, and apparently he said he could tell where I needed adjustment by how my arm resisted his pull. I tested him a few times by faking my resistance and he never picked up on my subterfuge. I didn't really care, because whatever he did did actually help me with my headaches, but that is about all I think they are good for... Oh, he also advocated ear candles for me, being a sound engineer. Complete bullshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miekko Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I had some great success with a chiropractor when I had whiplash and neck/headache problems. But they can not cure things like Tinnitus, ear infections, etc like they claim. They do tend to be more into the voodoo type stuff; my chiro would do this thing with my arm to "verify" my spine was in alignment, and apparently he said he could tell where I needed adjustment by how my arm resisted his pull. I tested him a few times by faking my resistance and he never picked up on my subterfuge. I didn't really care, because whatever he did did actually help me with my headaches, but that is about all I think they are good for... Oh, he also advocated ear candles for me, being a sound engineer. Complete bullshit For some people, tinnitus is closely linked to tension in the jaw, so in those cases it's possible it might be solved. Other types of tinnitus cannot be solved, of course, and with the approach to the scientific method that the chiropractic field seems to espouse, they may think that solving it for a few proves it'll solve it for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutantmoose Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Chiropractic is just a massage with woo sprinkled liberally over it. A good massage reduces all kinds of tension, without the weird "hey, let's take a few X-rays of your back and interpet them!" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wndwalkr99 Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 Chiropractic is just a massage with woo sprinkled liberally over it. A good massage reduces all kinds of tension, without the weird "hey, let's take a few X-rays of your back and interpet them!" I've never had a chiropractic treatment that resembles a massage. Also - insurance pays for my chiropractic treatments, and it takes ten minutes, not an hour. I don't think x-rays are weird, and we didn't do any "interpretation" - the problems were beyond obvious. I do not think that chiropractics is universally woo, but there are absolutely some woo aspects that I do no buy into at all. X-rays and spinal structure are not woo. Mutantmoose, did you have any suggestions on my note to her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I think your letter is good. If you get too militant, she'll just toss it away like you're the crazy person. I very much agree with you about vaccines and the fact that we (people born in the 60's or later) have not dealt with things like polio in our lifetimes, but definitely our parents and grandparents lived through very scary times. I can't imagine living before vaccines and being afraid of my children getting polio or diptheria, or all the things we don't even have to think about on a daily basis when we send our kids to school or the public pool. Yes, some stuff is coming back because of the anti-vaccination woos, but it's still not like before vaccines. I think your mentioning actual, real people who dealt with the consequences of polio is the best move. And keeping the letter short and to the point is better than going on too long and possibly ending up sounding ranting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wndwalkr99 Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 I don't see why owe her anything but the letter looked fine. I really don't owe her anything, but it's a nice way to say - "your dumb ass needs to know you're alienating patients, and you deserve to worry about this." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wndwalkr99 Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 Thank you, amateur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wndwalkr99 Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 Well, I did a few very minor edits and sent it. We'll see what happens. Thanks for the input, guys. I'm still interested in your (collective) views on chiropractics and vaccinations. Could start a new thread or put it all here...either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentLoner Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Well, I did a few very minor edits and sent it. We'll see what happens. Thanks for the input, guys. I'm still interested in your (collective) views on chiropractics and vaccinations. Could start a new thread or put it all here...either way. You might like this FB page: https://www.facebook.com/RtAVM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skepticalme Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 FYI, the field of chiropractic is just as woo as anti-vaccination. Not much of a suprise they run in the same circles. I'm suspicious of that as well. In terms of the direct effects of spinal/skeletal adjustment, I have seen that in my own x-rays, and if I can go in there with a headache, a stiff back, and an ankle that's killing me, and leave in ten minutes without those problems (and it sticks), then that is good enough for me. But as for the claims that they can cure everything from allergies to cancer...that is bullshit. For those same ailments, I take some aspirin and stretch. Cost about 25c. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wndwalkr99 Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share Posted September 24, 2013 FYI, the field of chiropractic is just as woo as anti-vaccination. Not much of a suprise they run in the same circles. I'm suspicious of that as well. In terms of the direct effects of spinal/skeletal adjustment, I have seen that in my own x-rays, and if I can go in there with a headache, a stiff back, and an ankle that's killing me, and leave in ten minutes without those problems (and it sticks), then that is good enough for me. But as for the claims that they can cure everything from allergies to cancer...that is bullshit. For those same ailments, I take some aspirin and stretch. Cost about 25c. That's great for you that those things work. Congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wndwalkr99 Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share Posted September 24, 2013 Well, I did a few very minor edits and sent it. We'll see what happens. Thanks for the input, guys. I'm still interested in your (collective) views on chiropractics and vaccinations. Could start a new thread or put it all here...either way. You might like this FB page: https://www.facebook.com/RtAVM Thank you, SilentLoner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gall Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Hi guys, Ok so this is not about science vs religion per se, but it could be classified in science vs woo. I have been seeing a chiropractor for some time. She is competent as a chiropractor, but she has rubbed me the wrong way on several occasions by being a little pushy about her Christianity. Since this is a small Midwestern town, I don't have that many options, and it doesn't bother me all that much, so I let it go. Last visit, however, I walked into the changing room, where she has bulletin boards with reading material. Usually they are silly platitudes, and sometimes information about chiropractics. This time there was a flyer with anti-vaccination propaganda. I was horrified at how irresponsibly it was presented. So I've decided not to see the dumb bitch anymore. I feel she deserves an explanation. This is what I've composed so far. I'm looking for ideas. I want this to be somewhat productive and for her not to write off what I've said, because there are a lot of impressionable idiots around here with children who don't need rubella. I think the last paragraph is too harsh but I do want to get my point across. Let me know what you think...edits are welcome!! ******** Dear Dr. XXXXX, Though I believe you are a competent chiropractor, I have decided to take my business elsewhere. I feel I owe you an explanation. The last time I was in your office, I was shocked to see anti-vaccination propaganda in the changing room, without any information about the consequences should one choose not to vaccinate. This is a personal issue for me, as my father and several family friends contracted polio in the early 1950s and struggle with the effects to this day. I do not feel that I can trust my health to someone who so irresponsibly portrays the perceived dangers of vaccinations, but does not even address the very real horrors that have been nearly eradicated by vaccines. Thank you, and if you would like to discuss, please reach me on Facebook. *********** Best thing you could do is be the silent customer and leave never saying anything and go to her direct competitor and give them your business. Forcing your views on your customers is a pretty big foul. I would never do business under this pretense and have taken mine elswhere many times over this. No sweat off my back I can always find another of them just as they can me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gall Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 FYI, the field of chiropractic is just as woo as anti-vaccination. Not much of a suprise they run in the same circles. I'm suspicious of that as well. In terms of the direct effects of spinal/skeletal adjustment, I have seen that in my own x-rays, and if I can go in there with a headache, a stiff back, and an ankle that's killing me, and leave in ten minutes without those problems (and it sticks), then that is good enough for me. But as for the claims that they can cure everything from allergies to cancer...that is bullshit. Total bullshit. Allergies have zero to do with how closely aligned your spine is. Cance is not even in the same area of medical science as back issues and spinal trauma. SOmetimes it could be a blood cancer? Think getting my back cracked good will free that up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wndwalkr99 Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share Posted September 24, 2013 Best thing you could do is be the silent customer and leave never saying anything and go to her direct competitor and give them your business. Why do you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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