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Hey PPl, is it me (christian, im here reading things asking questions about things..pretty much very curious about WHY..especially the concept of hell), or does www.jesus-is-lord.com scare the shit out any normal human being...so much info on whos from satan..(i mean the list all different band that are satanists n stuff:S)....has ne1 been to it...its 1 of the websites that scared the hell out of me to see jesus.

 

And what all the contreversy about bush and all his satan symbols....and what the heck it Satanists...as they seem kinda posessed..so whats you thoughts on satanists and websites connecting 666 with hundreds of things involving bush..i.e 911 and all this consipercey....freemasons n stuff

 

I guess what im trying to say is..opinions on jesus-is-lord.com and some insite and opinions on all these supposed satanic cults and statnists and bush and all the anti-christ stuff around him...it all confuses me and i want a 'sane' view....all ppl welcome

 

Matt, 15, Perth,Australia L8er ppl

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Matt, that site is designed like some upskirt porno shit. C'mon man. Use YOUR head. Let me say that again: USE YOUR HEAD. This is not meant in an offensive way, it's a suggestion. They have much to say about different beliefs, but surprise surprise no criticisms of Christianity. Look around this site. It's a great resource for people looking for inconsistencies in Christianity. At the very least, it's a starting point.

 

What in aspects of Christianity do you question?

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Matt, that site is designed like some upskirt porno shit. C'mon man. Use YOUR head. Let me say that again: USE YOUR HEAD. This is not meant in an offensive way, it's a suggestion. They have much to say about different beliefs, but surprise surprise no criticisms of Christianity. Look around this site. It's a great resource for people looking for inconsistencies in Christianity. At the very least, it's a starting point.

 

What in aspects of Christianity do you question?

 

Dude, I question everything, its in my nature...ive read lost books of bible..questionsed most lines in the bible...looked up greek words, tried some translation..more a questions the more i dont feel secure

 

I question the justification of hell a lot....and btw ive read lots of posts about it..You Ppl Are Champs!...and Speaking in toungues coz i cant do it and i wonder how the hell other ppl supposebly can...i started questioning because i didnt feel any different, i coudlnt live up to biblical expectation, i didnt see the justification of hell..i mean im a 1 for all type person...id gladly not send any of you to hell even if u did anything very bad to me. (ok mayb not gladly) but my logic tells me its wrong, injust and i cant do it...besides if i made Hell, then why would i seriously.

 

So the more i think and question the more insecure i feel about my faith and ive read so many debates on theological issues etc...and guess who always wins...cough

 

Anyway i get to a point like yup wateva...then i see websites that make it seem so real to me again...like jesus-is-lord.com that scares the crap out of me...satanic websites...( i research a lot)...u know what i mean....catholics that exorcise..all these unanswered questions also...Anythought...Thnx for reading

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Scared of "Satanism"? Why? I thought you said you've been studying? Maybe you've been reading the wrong sources. Here's something short and sweet from Wikipedia.

 

Satanism.

 

Bottom line: "Satanism" is simply an idea. Most Satanists don't even believe in Satan OR "God", and THAT is the whole point of their existence.

 

The word "Satan" in Hebrew means "adversary", or someone who opposes. Therefore if you are in opposition to the prospect of "God", that makes you an adversary. That makes you a satan. E.G. a Satanist. You see how easy it is? No magic or demon spells involved. Just a philosophy.

 

Technically speaking, we here on this web site are ALL "Satanists", since we oppose Christianity and its "God".

 

And if you've been lulled to sleep with all those fantastic "stories" of Satanic cults and cow mutilations and sacrifices over the past years, rest assured that these are ONLY stories. Urban myths. The FBI has uncovered NO Satanic cults that are responsible for any such things. It's all made up nonsense, just like "Jesus" is made up nonsense, and just like "witchcraft" and "black magic" is made up nonsense.

 

Use your brain and quit allowing people to frighten you with ghost stories. What are you? A child sitting by a camp fire, being spooked by your peers? Or are you an adult with a rational brain?

 

"THINK! It's not illegal yet." - SerenityNow Avatar.

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Matt,

 

The intent of jesus-is-lord.com is to get you to (1) accept what they are offering by means of (2) fear-mongering. There is nothing more to this site.

 

Are your fears of Hell the sum of (3) personal experience thereof, or second-hand input by what you have (4) read somewhere and/or (5) heard someone else talk about it? If the results are from #4 or #5, have these people who wrote/spoke about Hell been there?

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Hello Matt.

 

I can assure you that evil does, indeed exist.

 

However, it exists solely in the minds of men. The same as God.

 

 

I looked at that site briefly. If I had the right one, it looks the brain-child of a King-James-only nut-job.

 

Some guys are so whacked-out that they think the King James version is the only inspired version of God, and all others are from Satan. Verily Verily hysterical bullshit.

 

Dude, if you're being bothered by a goof like this, you seriously need to take a scrub brush to that brain of yours. You got some shit in there that doesn't need to be.

 

Oh, and if you've been following the news lately, scholars seem to think that the number 666 is a misinterpretation. Many think the right number should be 616. Looks like all the hype about 666 might be off by about 50. So, look for a whole new batch of shit involving 616. Of course, it will all be new proof that Jesus is coming.

 

Watch the clouds, Christians. Watch the clouds.

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Okay. I just took a peek at this jesus-is-lord web site. And let me just say that Fred Phelps, John Calvin and Martin Luther would be proud of it! What horrific scare-mongering! THAT site represents everything that I HATE about Christianity.

 

Oh, and yes, Mythra, they ARE KJV-only. The cult within a cult that has turned the KJV bible into an idol of worship. ("Bibliolatry.") Any Christian who dares to read ANY other "bible" is a tool of the devil! I.E. not a True Christian™. (Open_Minded, this means you! Bwahahahaha! :grin: )

 

Anyone of a weak mind will be consumed by fear and stupidity in short order. This web site is patterned after Old School Puritanism, Calvinism and Augustinian-Lutheran theology. A true horror story if there ever was one.

 

Why fear "Satanism", when you've got "jesus-is-lord.com"?

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Oh, and yes, Mythra, they ARE KJV-only. The cult within a cult that has turned the KJV bible into an idol of worship. ("Bibliolatry.") Any Christian who dares to read ANY other "bible" is a tool of the devil! I.E. not a True Christian™. (Open_Minded, this means you! Bwahahahaha! :grin: )

 

Yes, you are right, Mr. Grinch: According to the KJV-only crowd I am a "heretic". But I do get some joy out of that label, you know. It makes them squirm that people like myself have the audacity to call ourselves Christian :wicked:

 

 

Matt.... By the way... keep asking questions. Anyone trying to sell you a load of crap like that website is full of it and you should run in the opposite direction.

 

You're heart knows what's right... and it isn't fear and damnation and hell. Listen to that.

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Hey Peeps, Thanks for your responses, really appreciated. On that note jesus is lord scared the crap out of me about a year ago and 'led' me to jesus. What actually springs to mind is um...kick me to jesus's front door...and holding a knife to me and saying KNOCK THE DOOR OR UR DEAD. :D ...I am 15 years old now and what a great christians i was...less then two weeks after becoming a christians i was doubting all of it. I have only read the new testatment...and read it about 5 times (as its the salvation part you understand). I was just inquiring about your opinions and I didnt know anything about satantism so thank you whoever replied. Dang heaps of satanists lol. WOW jesus is lord is a way fundie site. Jst a quick story i began to question many things after i couldnt figure out which church to join, like beliefs. A Pastor came over once at my request so i could clear things up, my questions. I asked him about alcohol (wine). YOU CANT DRINK IT. Um but jesus had wine. THAT WAS DIFFERENT WINE. NO ALCOHOL. But then how is being a drunkyard a sin. UM,HAVE FAITH..cough...BAHAHA...Yeh um i did however read an interview with serial killer expert Robert K Ressler, who works for the FBI, inteteresitng stuff. 'i got involved with bizarre cases such as vampirsm,cannibalism satanism..' Like is their more to satanism, torture or anything..goats blood. What i mean is maybe some 'satanists' actually belive they are spawns of the devil and try to act it out in sick rituals or anything. Can anyone elaborate on that, such as the 'grandfather' of satanism, surely he musta drank goats blood.

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What i mean is maybe some 'satanists' actually belive they are spawns of the devil and try to act it out in sick rituals or anything. Can anyone elaborate on that, such as the 'grandfather' of satanism, surely he musta drank goats blood.

 

 

Matt... I honestly don't know much about satanists. But, as I said earlier, if what you are exploring is steeped in fear and anger and hatred than be very very leary of it. Life should not be about fear and anger and hatred, there is something more... :close:

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There's no doubt that people can get convinced of something and start acting like complete fucking idiots.

 

Some of the fundies that come here are proof of that.

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HEY!.....um i know my weakness....Fear...the lsightest bit of fear makes me think...maybe hell is real mayb mayb, does anyone understand me??..every1 seems pretty set on what they belive..im scared of things i cant control and christianity and its concepts is a big 1

 

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I guess what im trying to say is..opinions on jesus-is-lord.com and some insite and opinions on all these supposed satanic cults and statnists and bush and all the anti-christ stuff around him...it all confuses me and i want a 'sane' view....all ppl welcome

 

When I was a fundy christian, I used to go to sites like the one you posted and cutting edge, along with some like minded end times prophecy sites, Jack VanImpe type stuff. After awhile you get the feeling that the only way to "live" is to move to an extremely rural area and lock yourself in your house. I actually got depressed immersing myself in these sites.

 

I don't know what to tell you about Bush except I think both the far right and the far left are starting to have similar opinions about his character but for different reasons. It doesnt' mean that hard Baptist sites are some kind of oracle from God.

 

 

OMG UR ME...i spent a whole holiday on those kinds of websites...everynight after hard work lookin at shit that scares me id cry to sleep...crying for the souls going to hell and in self-pitty that i couldnt be the christian im supposed to be....Example, i felt bad about everything i did...i guess that why i locked myself in room for those days...if i went outside i was sure to sin

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HEY!.....um i know my weakness....Fear...the lsightest bit of fear makes me think...maybe hell is real mayb mayb, does anyone understand me??..every1 seems pretty set on what they belive..im scared of things i cant control and christianity and its concepts is a big 1

 

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Well Matt,

 

I've got some rough news for you. It doesn't get any better. There are a LOT of things in life that you have absolutely no control over, but will wind up affecting you in various ways.

 

One thing you have the most control over is yourself. A good place to start for you is to question the "rightness" of any system and or person who uses fear in order to get you to conform. Question any system that discourages questions about itself.

 

Learn from history....not the bullshit in your textbooks, I mean REAL history.

 

Never never never stop learning.

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HEY!.....um i know my weakness....Fear...the lsightest bit of fear makes me think...maybe hell is real mayb mayb, does anyone understand me??..every1 seems pretty set on what they belive..im scared of things i cant control and christianity and its concepts is a big 1

 

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Matt... I'm not sure how to answer you here, because I don't know where your fear comes from :scratch:

 

But, you say that Christianity and its concepts are a big fear for you. I am really sad for your right now because it seems that you've been exposed to a pretty negative branch of Christianity. So, I'm going to be honest with you from my own perspective and let others jump in and add their perspective.

 

I am Christian... it is possible to be Christian and NOT believe in hell, and NOT believe God would send people to such a place. There are many, many, many Christians who reject this theology.

 

Also, I've learned from people in this forum that when one is exposed to such extreme fundamentalism as you seem to have been exposed to, often it is best to reject the whole. Do you know what I'm saying, it's not important whether you are Christian or not. It really isn't. I want you to really understand this.... I am a Christian telling you that the most important thing is for you to find peace. And if this means walking away from Christianity altogether, then do it. Really - drop all of it and seek answers elsewhere. Really, Matt, it is possible to find answers that are based in a sense of peace and well-being, rather than fear and anger and hatred.

 

It might help you to read another thread in this forum. It was my introduction to this crowd, but many of the things you are asking questions about are addressed in this thread, particularly the last portion where people here took the time to explain to me how imbedded fear is in the literalist mindset. If any group of people can help you get past the fear, these people can...

 

Following is the link to the other thread: http://www.ex-christian.net/index.php?showtopic=5088

 

Hope this helps. :shrug:

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wow, lol im quite excited, someone else who understands. Yeh i felt so bad i couldnt speak in toungues and be as holy as others..phht..Id pray for the lord to send something to kill me so i didnt have to spend the rest of my life feeling guilty and depressed..but then i thought but more people need to be saved by me....or the common one...wait, what if im not saved..WAIT LORD DONT KILL ME...

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HEY!.....um i know my weakness....Fear...the lsightest bit of fear makes me think...maybe hell is real mayb mayb, does anyone understand me??..every1 seems pretty set on what they belive..im scared of things i cant control and christianity and its concepts is a big 1

 

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Muslims have hell too, how come your not a Muslim?

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Matt, dude, you need to get out of this religion. ANYTHING that causes someone THIS much grief, anxiety and FEAR, should be shitcanned. Pronto!

 

If you MUST belong to some religious body, try Buddhism. I don't see many (try NONE) Buddhist people walking around so angst-ridden.

 

Seriously, for your own health--BAIL!

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I just read that you are 15? Don't spend your life in this stuff. I escaped at 30, returned with a vengance at 31- to hardcore fundy Baptist but no charismania, then escaped again. It's all the same garbage in different packages. Iit is not worth a lifetime of self doubt and worry. I got really bad before I deconverted the first time, to the point where if I heard the word "hell", I would have a panic attack complete with hyperventilation and I would beg God to please save me. ...

 

Fear is not good, it is not normal. I used to have a really good article on cult think and how one can be triggered back into their "cult personality". The fear doesn't go away in one day or one week. I'm not completely through it, but it doesn't rule my life. I don't have panic attacks anymore. Part of the problem with Christianity is we have to rely on "feelings" which we don't know if they are from God, ourselves or the Devil. I know people whose whole lives are pretty much in the toilet because they are sitting around waiting for god to act on their behalf or for god to send a sign so they can make a decision.

 

I will try to find some articles for you. I also recommend, though you are too young for college classes, a good psychology class. Understanding how the human mind works, how pliable it is and how easily can be messed up is very helpful. I am going to try to find some of the articles that have really helped me. There is one in particular that a poster here, who I believe is taking a break (Brother Jeff) sent me when I was leaving christianity for the second time. Anything on cults and mind control will probably help you.

 

Madam M.

 

What a wonderful reply. Matt the only thing I would add here, is to be really honest with yourself and with people on this forum. They can help you if they know what you're dealing with. The reason I say this, is because where I live there is a very fundamentalist youth group who is always evangelising at the school where my own 15 year old attends. I have noticed that the young people who get caught up in this group are teens who have other troubles as well. Not always... but for the most part I can say this. They may have difficult home lives, or school may be particularly tough for them, or it may be some other big problem. Anyway Matt, if you got caught up in this form of Christianity because of some other troubles in your life... it's ok to talk about it here. No one will judge you :close:

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Hey, Thanx for your replies. Well i have no difficult home life. I live in a good home in Perth, Western Australia. Attend a Private School. Have great non-christian friends, great parents, great family in general, no financial difficulties, do fun things. I came to christianity because i was scared of death, and took the step to jesus because of websites that freeked me out. And when i was at my highest point in christianity i was abandoning my friend, my school, my normal life. All i would do is worry all day.

 

Your support and understanding is greatly appreciated. I never went to a church. I didnt really get caught up in any fundie church. What happened was i wanted to join a church to see which one was right about salvation, so i looked up many websites on different demoninations from the very extreme, christians bands are actually devils children, to universalist/liberal christians. Then i began to think of the possibility of WHY, WHY these things happen. Lets say i used my mind instead of simply putting up a wall of faith.

 

I am simply angry and have hate toward the concept that imoprisons, hurts, nullifys many christians the way i was. The thing that really hurt me the most was what one of you said about how the mother had a stillborn and the preist said couldnt burry the child at the church grounds because of its original sin it was burning in hell. I was so infuriated by that. I will NOT partake in that injustice. What am i now. A song comes to mine 'losing my religion'.Through your websites and you people i am weening myself off of it. I am 15 and dont want to have this feeling like i do till the day i die, which for all i know could be 100.

 

Btw any comments on things i couldt get when i was a christian, babtism of the hly spirit, toungues, u know the things your pastor would say, you needed more faith for. Where any of you faking it because you thought god was telling you to.

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Your support and understanding is greatly appreciated. I never went to a church. I didnt really get caught up in any fundie church. What happened was i wanted to join a church to see which one was right about salvation, so i looked up many websites on different demoninations from the very extreme, christians bands are actually devils children, to universalist/liberal christians. Then i began to think of the possibility of WHY, WHY these things happen. Lets say i used my mind instead of simply putting up a wall of faith.

 

I was pretty much in the same position as you are now. As to why there are different denomination in Christianity, there is a very simple answer. Just look at the history of the bible and christianity

 

 

Different Biblical Canons of the World

Books of The Different Bible

Who Decided What Went In The Bible

Textual Intergrity of The Bible

Biblical Canon of The World

 

It was a religion that was decided by fallible men, not an infallible God.

 

I also recommend three good sites

 

www.religioustolerance.org(This should tell about what are the beliefs about other religion including Satanism)

 

http://www.geocities.com/b_r_a_d_99/]Agnostic Review of Christianity[/url](The Best Counter Apologetic Site)

 

Two Paths Bible Study(An Honest bible study which demonstrate the fact that the bible is not able to give any absolute answer to any single doctrine in the christian world)

 

Education, is my friend ,is the best defense against ignorance

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Hey, Thanx for your replies. Well i have no difficult home life. I live in a good home in Perth, Western Australia. Attend a Private School. Have great non-christian friends, great parents, great family in general, no financial difficulties, do fun things. I came to christianity because i was scared of death, and took the step to jesus because of websites that freeked me out. And when i was at my highest point in christianity i was abandoning my friend, my school, my normal life. All i would do is worry all day.

 

I'm happy there are no bigger troubles in your life Matt.

 

It's also good that you understand how this was affecting your life, that you were starting to abandon your friend and school and your normal life. I hope that you are starting to reconnect to these other parts of your life? Call your friend up go out to do some fun things with him. It will help you with your worry.

 

And when you need to come and write here... we will do our best to help you get past the worry as well.

 

pritishd is correct..

 

Education, is my friend ,is the best defense against ignorance

 

Matt, one other thing, if you can talk to your parents about this, please do. I have children myself and I would want to help them with their fears. But, I do know that sometimes it's not possible to talk to ones parents about these things. You are the only one who can determine whether it is a good idea, or not. But, if you think they will listen to you, it might help to tell them about the fears you have been having. :close:

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Hi, Matt, I'm a 16 year old atheist.

When I was first Christian at 11, I cried and cried.

I hated hell but I believed in it.

I went liberal Christian, gradually til I was 14 or 15, when I found Religious Forums and got introduced to this wonderful forum and I'm here ever since.

 

Cults suck ass.

They robs.

They kills your mind.

They laugh at you.

They talk behind your back.

They force you to do something you don't want to do.

 

 

But take heart, there's happiness on the horizon.

My advice to you about cults is, flight!

Flight! Go away from the church!

Soar like an eagle!

 

Welcome to EXC!

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