Adam5 Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 .. all-loving, so we have no reason to fear him. .. all-knowing, so we have no reason to pray to him. ... everywhere, so we have no reason to go to a building to find him. ... just, so we have no reason to fear punishment. .. reasonable, so we cannot make him angry or offend him. A major problem with religion, is that it tells its adherents to do the opposite of what you would expect from an all powerful, all knowing God. They tell you to pray, with all your petitions, as if trying to change God's mind. The holy bible tells you to fear him and fear hellfire as if God is an evil monster, not a just loving being. We went to church even though God is suposedly everywhere. We read the old testament and discovered God to be psychopathic, angry and vengeful, the opposite of a kind, just and reasonable person. Either you believe in an all loving, all knowing God or you dont. If you do, there is absolutely no reason to follow the dictates of any religion. If you do not, then "God" becomes a powerful extra terrestrial, who is petty, unjust and unworthy of worship. Do you agree? Thanks, all. 2
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted March 20, 2014 Super Moderator Posted March 20, 2014 god cannot be both omnipotent and omniscient. If he knows the future, then he can't change it; thus he is not omnipotent. On the other hand, if he can change the future, then he cannot know it; strike omniscient off the list. 4
Adam5 Posted March 20, 2014 Author Posted March 20, 2014 god cannot be both omnipotent and omniscient. If he knows the future, then he can't change it; thus he is not omnipotent. On the other hand, if he can change the future, then he cannot know it; strike omniscient off the list. I hadnt thought of it like that before. Knowing the future never makes a lot of sense, especially when the prophecies vague and without specifying names, times or places.
RipVanWinkle Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 So that means that prophesies are either phony or it is impossible for god to change them. Did god change his prophesies concerning the Jews, his "chosen people"? It seems to me that the prophesies concerning the Jews was bogus to begin with because god, even if he was not omniscient, would certainly have known that the Jews could not have complied with all of god's laws, which was a condition of his promises. bill
Adam5 Posted March 21, 2014 Author Posted March 21, 2014 It seems to me that the prophesies concerning the Jews was bogus to begin with because god, even if he was not omniscient, would certainly have known that the Jews could not have complied with all of god's laws, which was a condition of his promises. bill Agreed, an all-knowing God would already know that the vague prophecies of the old testament and laws were not to be fulfilled and the laws not to be kept. The God as described in the Bible is made out to be an inedpt bungler, rather than a all-knowing perfect entity
Adam5 Posted March 21, 2014 Author Posted March 21, 2014 One that I forgot is that God is supposed to be fair and equitable, so you would expect his communications to be consistent amongst his creation. However the confusing and contradictory teachings of the world religions are the opposite of this. This would imply that God either is sowing confusion to deliberately trip us up, or he is not communicating any messages, or does not exist. A God who cares about our salvation would give the exact same message to everyone, ideally at the same time, so there would be no doubt as to his existence and his message.
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