Guest afireinside Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 So God made this mess right? He built the ship. He employed the crew. He knew the waters were treacherous but he sailed anyway. He let the crew run the ship while he rested, he knew about the reef but let the crew run upon it. He blames the crew, jumps in his life raft and sails ashore. The crew are left to drown. If God was a good captain he would have accepted his responsibility and gone down with the ship but instead he punished the crew for his stupidity. A good captain he is not. 1
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted April 25, 2014 Super Moderator Posted April 25, 2014 So God made this mess right? He built the ship. He employed the crew. He knew the waters were treacherous but he sailed anyway. He let the crew run the ship while he rested, he knew about the reef but let the crew run upon it. He blames the crew, jumps in his life raft and sails ashore. The crew are left to drown. If God was a good captain he would have accepted his responsibility and gone down with the ship but instead he punished the crew for his stupidity. A good captain he is not. Some might argue that god killing himself on the cross was his way of going down with the ship, which raises an interesting question I've asked before: Do suicides go to heaven?
Guest afireinside Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 I know Christian will say Jesus went down with the ship but he didn't come soon enough and only saved a couple, the real solution was God owning the mistake and not deflecting his foolishness onto lesser beings.
FreeThinkerNZ Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 So God made this mess right? He built the ship. He employed the crew. He knew the waters were treacherous but he sailed anyway. He let the crew run the ship while he rested, he knew about the reef but let the crew run upon it. He blames the crew, jumps in his life raft and sails ashore. The crew are left to drown. If God was a good captain he would have accepted his responsibility and gone down with the ship but instead he punished the crew for his stupidity. A good captain he is not. Some might argue that god killing himself on the cross was his way of going down with the ship, which raises an interesting question I've asked before: Do suicides go to heaven? When I was a xian and was, occasionally, suicidal, I believed that I would still go to heaven, because if god loved me he would have understood how hard my life was and would have forgiven me. I was taught the strange doctrine that "god never gives you more trouble than you can handle". Now that I don't believe in an afterlife, I am even more convinced that the act of suicide has no negative eternal consequences. My belief that we get this one life only, has fully innoculated me against suicidal thinking. When I am referring to a person's suicide, I prefer not to use the term "commit" suicide as it should not be considered a crime. It's a health issue, end of story. I use the term as a verb.
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted April 25, 2014 Super Moderator Posted April 25, 2014 I know Christian will say Jesus went down with the ship but he didn't come soon enough and only saved a couple, the real solution was God owning the mistake and not deflecting his foolishness onto lesser beings. Yup.
amateur Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 When I was a xian and was, occasionally, suicidal, I believed that I would still go to heaven, because if god loved me he would have understood how hard my life was and would have forgiven me. I was taught the strange doctrine that "god never gives you more trouble than you can handle". Now that I don't believe in an afterlife, I am even more convinced that the act of suicide has no negative eternal consequences. My belief that we get this one life only, has fully innoculated me against suicidal thinking. When I am referring to a person's suicide, I prefer not to use the term "commit" suicide as it should not be considered a crime. It's a health issue, end of story. I use the term as a verb. I'm so glad you've worked this out for yourself, FreeThinker! I agree the "god never gives you more trouble..." line never made sense as people DO die by suicide, so obviously there are times people get more than they can handle (or mental illness is involved, which can also be more than people can handle). No, suicide has no negative eternal consequences; it just ends one's life sooner. I'm glad you're still with us and sharing what you've learned in your life!
FreeThinkerNZ Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 Thanks Amateur. Conversations like this remind me how important it is to live life to the full and make the most out of every day we have. In an estimated 90% of suicides, the person had a diagnosable mental illness, usually some form of depression. I suffered from long bouts of depression so I definitely experienced being "given more than I could handle". It was that suffering that finally spurred my deconversion. Xianity nearly killed me - deconversion saved my life. That's why I'm such a passionate athiest and freethinker now. Religion poisons everything. 1
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted April 25, 2014 Super Moderator Posted April 25, 2014 So God made this mess right? He built the ship. He employed the crew. He knew the waters were treacherous but he sailed anyway. He let the crew run the ship while he rested, he knew about the reef but let the crew run upon it. He blames the crew, jumps in his life raft and sails ashore. The crew are left to drown. If God was a good captain he would have accepted his responsibility and gone down with the ship but instead he punished the crew for his stupidity. A good captain he is not. Some might argue that god killing himself on the cross was his way of going down with the ship, which raises an interesting question I've asked before: Do suicides go to heaven? When I was a xian and was, occasionally, suicidal, I believed that I would still go to heaven, because if god loved me he would have understood how hard my life was and would have forgiven me. I was taught the strange doctrine that "god never gives you more trouble than you can handle". Now that I don't believe in an afterlife, I am even more convinced that the act of suicide has no negative eternal consequences. My belief that we get this one life only, has fully innoculated me against suicidal thinking. When I am referring to a person's suicide, I prefer not to use the term "commit" suicide as it should not be considered a crime. It's a health issue, end of story. I use the term as a verb. It makes me so sad to know that you ever thought you were so worthless that you wanted to kill yourself, Baby Girl. You are such a brilliant person. This world, and this website, would be a much darker place without you in it.
FreeThinkerNZ Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 So God made this mess right? He built the ship. He employed the crew. He knew the waters were treacherous but he sailed anyway. He let the crew run the ship while he rested, he knew about the reef but let the crew run upon it. He blames the crew, jumps in his life raft and sails ashore. The crew are left to drown. If God was a good captain he would have accepted his responsibility and gone down with the ship but instead he punished the crew for his stupidity. A good captain he is not. Some might argue that god killing himself on the cross was his way of going down with the ship, which raises an interesting question I've asked before: Do suicides go to heaven? When I was a xian and was, occasionally, suicidal, I believed that I would still go to heaven, because if god loved me he would have understood how hard my life was and would have forgiven me. I was taught the strange doctrine that "god never gives you more trouble than you can handle". Now that I don't believe in an afterlife, I am even more convinced that the act of suicide has no negative eternal consequences. My belief that we get this one life only, has fully innoculated me against suicidal thinking. When I am referring to a person's suicide, I prefer not to use the term "commit" suicide as it should not be considered a crime. It's a health issue, end of story. I use the term as a verb. It makes me so sad to know that you ever thought you were so worthless that you wanted to kill yourself, Baby Girl. You are such a brilliant person. This world, and this website, would be a much darker place without you in it. Aww shucks, Prof, you made my eyes water. It wasn't a rational thought process, my brain was disordered with depression. I turned again to xianity looking for healing, which of course never came. Ironically, it was facing the fact that god was silent, and therefore not there, that started me on the journey out of that dark place. I am so relieved that I figured out heaven wasn't real before I acted on my thoughts. I ended up healing my own brain, with some help from scientific medicine. I have survived life threatening illness and I give thanks to myself and medicine, not the imaginary god. 1
amateur Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 ^^FreeThinker, now THAT is a beautiful testimony.
Guest afireinside Posted April 25, 2014 Posted April 25, 2014 I have to admit FFNZ that I needed to hear that, it's encouraging to say the least
FreeThinkerNZ Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 This thread: http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/62075-the-meaning-of-life-after-deconversion-your-manifesto/ is really inspiring. It would be great to see some more "manifestos" from ex-Cs. Share the love :-)
rach Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Maybe it got worse than he ever imagined and he got scared and ran away
FreeThinkerNZ Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Maybe it got worse than he ever imagined and he got scared and ran away Probably. Either that or he is taking a break and will return and pretend the last few days didn't happen.
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