Kaiser01 Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 In your opinion, what is dumber in Christianity, Young Earth Creationism or dispensationalist end-times theology (Left Behind series/countless Christian projections on world events, Israel is number one! Ect.) Personally, I'm going to go with end times theology because that prevailing Christian attitude has a real world political effect, particularly on U.S. treatment towards Palestine.
mymistake Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 End Times Theology guided me to make all kinds of bad decisions. 2
xtify Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 I choose YEC because it requires denying so much evidence. End times theology will always be speculative, but YEC must deny history and science (facts). End times theology - and this is why so many of us have fallen for it - is not falsifiable until after the time frame occurs. 2
bfuddled Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 I can see xtify's point, but I voted for End times theology because that crap NEVER made any sense to me, even when I was in the thick of things. 1
FreeThinkerNZ Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 In your opinion, what is dumber in Christianity, Young Earth Creationism or dispensationalist end-times theology (Left Behind series/countless Christian projections on world events, Israel is number one! Ect.) Personally, I'm going to go with end times theology because that prevailing Christian attitude has a real world political effect, particularly on U.S. treatment towards Palestine. YEC is dumber. Both are wicked, YEC denies many US children the right to a full education, end times theology contributes to the murder and oppression of Palestinian civilians, and wasted lives in the West (like what MM mentioned). 2
miekko Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 I go with End Times here, because the result of these beliefs is so much more dangerous for everyone both outside and inside of their coterie of madmen. 1
Deva Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 YEC is dumber because people refuse to see the evidence for evolution. End times theology is in a different category - it is just plain incredible.
DoubtingNate Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 YEC is worse, no question. But they are really two sides of the same coin. 1
Super Moderator buffettphan Posted May 5, 2014 Super Moderator Posted May 5, 2014 I just can't decide. I go to select YEC and find myself shaking my head. Then I go to select End Times and I shudder. I agree with DoubtingNate in that they really are two sides to the same coin. ---------------------------- ETA: I finally chose the End Times because shuddering over the future impact these loons could have is so much worse that just shaking my head about the general willful ignorance of the YECs.
Fernweh Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 YEC's are dumb but they can't do anything about the past. The end time nutters are more dangerous because they are busy trying to do something about the future. 1
seeker001 Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 YEC's are dumb but they can't do anything about the past. The end time nutters are more dangerous because they are busy trying to do something about the future. That was my reasoning for selecting it. Also this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events These people actually want the end to come and some will attempt to "facilitate" its coming and turn it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
DoubtingNate Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 YEC's are dumb but they can't do anything about the past. The end time nutters are more dangerous because they are busy trying to do something about the future. The problem is, it is usually the same people. I'm not sure how you can have one without the other, because it's just two ends of the same sweeping narrative of human history as directed by the Christian Yahweh/Jesus. YECs/end timers - lets just call them fundamentalists, because that's what they are - are hugely responsible for the American public's bizarre ignorance of evolution and overall scientific illiteracy. And thus why climate change denial is such an easy sell. These people are very well funded and thus well positioned to have incredible influence on both our foreign policy AND our school curriculums. We should be scared... But not too scared. We just need to get smarter / better people into office, and I think one day we will. The Fox News generation is going to die out in the next 20 years or so, and I think lots of the crazy is going to die with them. 3
Super Moderator buffettphan Posted May 5, 2014 Super Moderator Posted May 5, 2014 YEC's are dumb but they can't do anything about the past. The end time nutters are more dangerous because they are busy trying to do something about the future. The problem is, it is usually the same people. Exactly. I can't think of a single YEC'er who isn't an End Times'er. The christians who don't take the creation story literally don't usually take the book of Revelation literally either. And vice-versa.
Fernweh Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 I agree that YEC'rs and End Time'rs are normally one and the same. However, the OP made the distinction between Dispensationalist and YEC'ers. Dispensationalist don't believe in a young Earth. They have lots of pretty charts showing how the Earth existed way before Adam and Eve.
Aries256 Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 whoo man hard one, as both are equally thick, steaming piles of bullshit. Ill have to go with young earth, since well science bitchslapped that idea into the ground, into a grave, and left it rotting. End times theology, actually can happen xtians with nukes, muslims with nukes........yeaaaaahhhhh. The xtians are getting more batshit crazy, the muslims are getting more batshit crazy, and the more that reality, logic, and actual intelligence is burying their BS into the dustbin of time, they're going to get more desperate about "purifying" the world.
flockoff Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 My initial thought was the same as what most of the above said. End Times is more dangerous to both society and the individual. YEC is more intellectually dishonest/bankrupt. I voted YEC because it seems easier to get sucked into End Times once you're conditioned to interpret current events as predicted in the bibblebabble. I fucked myself up pretty bad that way.
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted May 5, 2014 Super Moderator Posted May 5, 2014 The earth is too young to die!
florduh Posted May 5, 2014 Posted May 5, 2014 I agree with those who point out that YEC denies observable fact and is therefore dumber. Of course there is no evidence for the end time scenario, but as with any imagined future event there can be no way to prove it can't happen. I can't prove Xenu won't come back to this planet with the revived L. Ron Hubbard on board his ship, either. But there are mountains of evidence to show YEC is false so YEC wins the dumb contest.
francesco Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Both are dumb oh don't forget the christians who speaks tounge as proof of faith, faith healing without medical help, prosperity gospel, pray to maria, papacy, pastor can forgive sin, bible quoter, bible idol (bible = word of god), bible literalist, annoying street preacher, and using god's name on war, hatred, discrimination and business * they are all dumb *feel free to add 1
Guest afireinside Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 whoo man hard one, as both are equally thick, steaming piles of bullshit. Ill have to go with young earth, since well science bitchslapped that idea into the ground, into a grave, and left it rotting. End times theology, actually can happen xtians with nukes, muslims with nukes........yeaaaaahhhhh. The xtians are getting more batshit crazy, the muslims are getting more batshit crazy, and the more that reality, logic, and actual intelligence is burying their BS into the dustbin of time, they're going to get more desperate about "purifying" the world. ^^^^ What Aries256 said Young Earth Creationists are ignorant, End Timers are fucking insane. Build an underground bunker in the back yard with 2 tonnes of weaponry inside ready for shit to go down next tick of the clock crazy!
Aiyana Posted May 7, 2014 Posted May 7, 2014 End Times caused me years of anxiety. I go with that for my vote. 1
LoneTarus Posted May 7, 2014 Posted May 7, 2014 As a person that was obsessed with the end times and spiritual warfare etc. for almost 10 years I have to vote end times. I basically did no long term planning because I believed that Jesus was coming back soon. and if I dared to do something with my life I would make him angry and open doors for him to make my life even more miserable than it already was.
Guest afireinside Posted May 7, 2014 Posted May 7, 2014 As a person that was obsessed with the end times and spiritual warfare etc. for almost 10 years I have to vote end times. I basically did no long term planning because I believed that Jesus was coming back soon. and if I dared to do something with my life I would make him angry and open doors for him to make my life even more miserable than it already was. Looking back it was dumb and paranoid but I did the same thing. I thought forget higher education, forget long term aspirations, forget children, forget mortgage on a house cause Jesus is comin round the bend annnnnnnnnnnny seconnnnnnd! What an idiot I was, I would monitor Rick Joyners and Chuck Misslers websites about deals going on in the Middle East and all these paranoid rambling about one world governance and Bible prophecy being fulfilled. 1
sdelsolray Posted May 8, 2014 Posted May 8, 2014 I voted YEC. Although either belief (YEC or end of times) requires a cocktail of religious faith, wishful thinking and willful ignorance, YEC requires more, much more, particularly regarding the willful ignorance part. In addition, YECs typically lie and misrepresent each time they open their mouth about that subject. End of Timers? Not so much because it is a prediction of future events, not a recollection of past events. Of course, as other posters have stated, there are many that profess both delusions/fantasies. They're usually quite comical.
older Posted May 8, 2014 Posted May 8, 2014 Dumber: YEC More dangerous: End Times Nevertheless, I voted for end times. I think these folks are a real threat. Our Air Force has a significant fundy component and they are the ones with their fingers on the nuke triggers. All we need is for a couple of them to decide that the end times have arrived and we have a big problem. 2
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