Ouroboros Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Are there (as some state in this forum) a conspiracy with a shadow government that work on a global level and control the events in the world? If not, why not? If yes, who are they? Are the Masons, Illuminati, Jews and the Bilderberg Group all the same or competing forces? Your thoughts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixentrox Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 No such thing. Anyone who ever has worked with in and with goverment agencies know that the idea is complete silliness. Nothing can fuck things up like a government operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotter Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I am aware of this book: "The Unseen Hand" by A Epperson: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0961413506/ Readers who are interested can pursue further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted January 9, 2006 Author Share Posted January 9, 2006 No such thing. Anyone who ever has worked with in and with goverment agencies know that the idea is complete silliness. Nothing can fuck things up like a government operation. And can agree to that. I never could believe the ideas of NSA or other organization recording everyones phonecalls and all. It would mean they need one or more clerk for each person they monitoring, which means they're hiding billions of people in charge of monitoring the world population. So no, I don't believe in that kind of conspiracy. But what got my attention about the Bilderberg Group is that they're not really a high-tech government or anything like NSA, CIA or FBI, but a group of powerful people from around the world, meeting in secrecy every year and talking about world politics. Some of these sit in some really important and high places and could affect politics (not complete control) but in some ways "guide" or direct it. (If they do, I think they do a poorly and crappy job! ) http://www.propagandamatrix.com/bilderberg_2003.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueGiant Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 No Such Agency may be able to pull off a monitioring system with a signifigant datamining operation...as far as shadow governments, nah, I have to agree that nothing can fubar things like a gov op as well. Now shadow groups...that is another story as far as I am concerned, but nothing that can control the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted January 10, 2006 Author Share Posted January 10, 2006 I'm surprised not seing Ssel in this debate. This should be well within his domain of opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japedo Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 My husbands a Mason and I can assure you there is no secret plot to take over the world. The masons is about becoming better men, and making a better world. I however do believe there are sinister forces pulling strings behind the scenes and usurping the law to achieve their goal. I dunno If I'd call it a Shadow Government, but for example; I don't believe Kennedy was killed by Oswald. I also know that nothing happens by accident in politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted January 10, 2006 Author Share Posted January 10, 2006 My husbands a Mason and I can assure you there is no secret plot to take over the world. The masons is about becoming better men, and making a better world. I however do believe there are sinister forces pulling strings behind the scenes and usurping the law to achieve their goal. I dunno If I'd call it a Shadow Government, but for example; I don't believe Kennedy was killed by Oswald. I also know that nothing happens by accident in politics. Like one of my sons would say... "or do they?" It can't be replicated in typed text, it's extremely funny when he says it. Maybe your husband is only telling you these "lies" to make it look like they're not going to take over the world, so he's fooling you too. Or maybe you do know they're going to take over, but you're not telling us the truth. Just kidding of course! I don't believe they're doing it. If they're trying to get control, they've been failing for a very long time. If they have control, they're doing a crappy job of keeping the world in order. Most likely, people are just paranoid and scared of the things they don't know about. Besides, wasn't there a guy that believed the conspiracy actually were aliens, looking like snakes, but dressed up as humans. Very much like the stupid TV-series "V" (if anyone seen it - long time ago). There used to be a website with that theory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuroikaze Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Look its simple...the illuminati joined forces with queen of england and her mutant ninja robots, also the carebears are involved somehow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japedo Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 YES, I forget the guys name, He thinks GW is a Reptile Takes all sorts I guess. That being said, The Only thing I trust the government to do is Cover things up. I think the extremism in Conspiracies sadly debunk the legitimate ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted January 10, 2006 Author Share Posted January 10, 2006 Somehow I get X-Files flashbacks... "Trust no-1" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandora Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Where's Ssel? I would love to hear his thoughts on this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poonis Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 The only conspiracy is the evidence that has been suppressed to inform the public that Elvis is comin back soon on a space ship. People need to know this.. But seriously; I think something is going on that we aren't told about and that is done by those who are powerful enough to be able to do so. Everything from how we think we decide how our kids are raised, to why we have certain likes/dislikes, to how we live our daily life. I can't help but think that things like this are intentionally and deceptively influenced upon us. It is as if we have been sculpted and molded to someone elses wishes; for the purpose of someone else. I think it may be easier to see who is really controlling our lives (with us living under the belief that we really make our own decisions) by studying who benefits from it. However, having done this, over the years I have become to live like a monk, rejecting commercialism and both religion and government. Good or bad, I'm not sure, but I am certainly glad to no longer be a walking billboard for faceless corporations and buying their shit just because I saw a commercial on TV or product placement in a movie. I think that is the greatest conspiracy; to be owned by a corporation and still think you are free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigile Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Perhaps capitalism itself is the conspirator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poonis Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Perhaps capitalism itself is the conspirator? I suppose one could think that, but without humans, there would be no capitalism. Capitalism is a tool, like terrorism is a tool, like a wrench is a tool, of which a human uses to achieve their objective. All conspiracies, wither true or illusory, necessitate human involvement. Capitalism may be removed, but the humans using such a tool will still try to control others; they will just have to revert to another tool to achieve the same objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddhistCommunist Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Perhaps capitalism itself is the conspirator? Of Course it is. Thats what the Lords Lenin and Marx said. I hate Capitalism, Socialism is my friend. At least if Socialism becomes corrupt you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigile Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Capitalism is a tool, like terrorism is a tool, like a wrench is a tool, of which a human uses to achieve their objective. I guess I see it as more of a motivating factor than a tool. As for conspiracy, couldn't capitalistic desires cause the haves to shape the have nots so that they can in fact have even more? For example, it benefits the haves to shape the have nots into mindless consumers who will work and not complain. As soon as the have nots start to get a little education they start asking tougher questions and become less satisfied. Thus the ballance of the system that benefits the haves becomes jeopardized. You don't need to imagine a vast organized shadow conspiracy necessarily, you just need a group at the top with similar motivation to protect a system that benefits them the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japedo Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Capitalism is good until it's dominated by corporatism (like the case we have now), then of course, it's no longer called capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightflight Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 I think there are organizations that seek to influence world events, but its much more mundane than the conspiracy people say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 If yes, who are they? Are the Masons, Illuminati, Jews and the Bilderberg Group all the same or competing forces? Actually, all those groups are just fronts and blinds for the Prieure de Sion which, protected by a secret police that rivals the EAC's, are close to ge NO CARRIER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted January 10, 2006 Author Share Posted January 10, 2006 AAAAH! Thurizas knew the truth and wanted to share it, but the Priori shut down his modem!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted January 10, 2006 Author Share Posted January 10, 2006 Bilderberg Group on CNN, 2005 WMV Clip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted January 11, 2006 Author Share Posted January 11, 2006 Absolutely. I don't think the conspiracy existed when the conspiracy theorists started to talk about it (at least to not in a big scale) but the leaders got the ideas from the paranoids and now fulfilling the theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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