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Part of the problem of salvation is (to my mind at least) the different roads to it. The basic premise is that sin entered the world via Adam and Eve, and this inherited curse is lifted via Jesus, OK fairly easy in principle to understand.

 

So you have the basic way to get into Heaven: be baptised and believe that Jesus is the Son of God. OK I get that, and will accept it, and if it is true, then it should be just left at that, but of course it never is, then we have extras tacked on:

 

            You need to be born again

 

            Filled with the Holy Spirit

 

            Talk In Tongues

 

            Spread the Gospel to the whole world

 

            Confess your sins

 

            Glorify God, etc, etc

 

            Constantly praise God and read The Bible

 

Then of course you have the somewhat dodgy stuff, upset the Holy Ghost and that can never be forgiven, (even by Jesus)de-convert  and that can  never be forgiven, think of committing adultery is the same as committing adultery. I want to stress that last point particularly, thoughts are considered as bad as actual actions…………thoughts are generally accepted to arise naturally, so if you think something bad (and can’t help it) then are you denied entrance into Heaven? Surely Not.

 

Thoughts?

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Be baptised and accept Jesus=salvation. Baptism is a ministerial act with some magical words thrown in.

Accepting Jesus is merely a matter of belief. If you're brainwashed you're saved. These 2 steps to

salvation are vacuous. It means Hitler could go to heaven and continue to massacre Jews as long a he

stilled believed and was baptised.

 

But you don't solve any problems with the steps to salvation by adding things to those two steps. It just makes Jesus' sacrifice more meaningless. The fact about the matter is that the very ideas of

sin/salvation/heaven or sin/unbelief/eternal hell are ridiculous. Angels (according to the bible) are

with god, but not perfect. Else how did i/3 of them rebel against god? But actually there are no angels

or devil or hell or heaven. God and these other ideas are just a method of control of the masses.If there is a god he certainly is not into these silly games. bill

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what's so great about this heaven anyway that people wants to get there?

with so many doctrines about heaven and so many religions teach heaven, it seems like all roads lead to heaven

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Part of the problem of salvation is (to my mind at least) the different roads to it. The basic premise is that sin entered the world via Adam and Eve, and this inherited curse is lifted via Jesus, OK fairly easy in principle to understand.

 

So you have the basic way to get into Heaven: be baptised and believe that Jesus is the Son of God. OK I get that, and will accept it, and if it is true, then it should be just left at that, but of course it never is, then we have extras tacked on:

 

            You need to be born again

 

            Filled with the Holy Spirit

 

            Talk In Tongues

 

            Spread the Gospel to the whole world

 

            Confess your sins

 

            Glorify God, etc, etc

 

            Constantly praise God and read The Bible

 

Then of course you have the somewhat dodgy stuff, upset the Holy Ghost and that can never be forgiven, (even by Jesus)de-convert  and that can  never be forgiven, think of committing adultery is the same as committing adultery. I want to stress that last point particularly, thoughts are considered as bad as actual actions…………thoughts are generally accepted to arise naturally, so if you think something bad (and can’t help it) then are you denied entrance into Heaven? Surely Not.

 

Thoughts?

 

God reading your thoughts sort of nullifies the "free wll" argument. How free could it be if he is pulling an NSA on you?

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The Bible is a huge mess if contradictions, and salvation requirements are no exception. I keep coming back to this chart:

 

http://home.earthlink.net/~writetdrange/contradictions.html

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The Bible is a huge mess if contradictions, and salvation requirements are no exception. I keep coming back to this chart:

 

http://home.earthlink.net/~writetdrange/contradictions.html

 

Great handy-dandy chart! Thanks for posting it.

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     It's easy to get into heaven.  Tell yourself that you're special and that you, out of everyone that ever lived, *will* be going to heaven no matter what the rules might say.  In fact, don't even try to understand the rules they'll just mess with your convictions.  Once you've done this you're all set.

 

          mwc

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At least in principle, getting baptized and accepting Jesus is the Son of God is something you can tangibly do….

 

But getting born into spirit, or infused with the Holy Ghost….WTF 

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Part of the problem of salvation is (to my mind at least) the different roads to it. The basic premise is that sin entered the world via Adam and Eve, and this inherited curse is lifted via Jesus, OK fairly easy in principle to understand.

 

So you have the basic way to get into Heaven: be baptised and believe that Jesus is the Son of God. OK I get that, and will accept it, and if it is true, then it should be just left at that, but of course it never is, then we have extras tacked on:

 

            You need to be born again

 

            Filled with the Holy Spirit

 

            Talk In Tongues

 

            Spread the Gospel to the whole world

 

            Confess your sins

 

            Glorify God, etc, etc

 

            Constantly praise God and read The Bible

 

Then of course you have the somewhat dodgy stuff, upset the Holy Ghost and that can never be forgiven, (even by Jesus)de-convert  and that can  never be forgiven, think of committing adultery is the same as committing adultery. I want to stress that last point particularly, thoughts are considered as bad as actual actions…………thoughts are generally accepted to arise naturally, so if you think something bad (and can’t help it) then are you denied entrance into Heaven? Surely Not.

 

Thoughts?

 

God reading your thoughts sort of nullifies the "free wll" argument. How free could it be if he is pulling an NSA on you?

 

I wouldn't agree that reading your thought nullifies our free will, but I find it hard to believe even a God can read the thoughts of the six billion plus brains working today, let alone through history.

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Plus of course how arbitrary it all seems to be

 

Devoted and long time follower of Islam=Hell

 

Never heard the Gospel=Hell

 

Born prior to the NT=Hell

 

Born disabled=Possibly Hell

 

Got the wrong brand of Christian Theology=Hell

 

Got the correct brand of Christian Theology, did everything right, have doubts seconds from death=Hell

 

Serial killer, accepts Jesus seconds prior the death=Harp and wings

 

Bottom line, it appears to be based on what you believe seconds prior to death, regardless to the totality of your life

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