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Philomena is a motion picture based upon a book about a 14 year old Irish girl

(Philomena) who got pregnant and was abandoned by her father and placed in an

orphanage run by nuns.The nuns sold the child to an American couple for 1,000

pounds. The movie begins 50 years after the child's birth and chronicles her

looking back on her unwavering search for her son.I think it is an exceptionally good movie which I would highly recommend.

 

The book depicts the twisted mindset of the nuns that ran the orphanage.When

Philomena gave birth to the child she and the baby almost died because it was a

a breech birth. She was torn up badly as a result of the delivery, but she was

refused pain medication because "god intended for her to suffer for her sins".

The nuns treated the pregnant girls and the young mothers punitively because of their sins.They were required to stay in the orphanage for 4 years providing

free labor for various tasks.

 

The story is much more involved than this brief description, but I'm sure you

get the idea.But I want to focus on the nun who was mostly responsible for the

mistreatment of the girls. She (from her depiction in the movie) was a

vindictive woman who seemed to enjoy the torture she put the residents through

continually reminding them that, "you have brought this upon yourselves and

your child". They were not allowed to see their child except one hour a day and were required to nurse their babies until he/she was a year old.This place was a haven for sadists.

 

One of the criticisms atheists and agnostics get from some Xtians is that we

leave Xtianity or refuse god to lead a sinful life, full of reckless sex, drugs,

alcohol, partying and other "immoral" behavior. They do this to discourage other

Xtians from deconverting and are not interested in whether their charge is true.We know it's a bunch of lies.But that is the public image in which they wish us

to be seen. They don't want us to be seen as we are but rather as haters of

god.

 

It occurs to me that "the nun" in the movie had a nasty disposition and enjoyed hurting people simply because that's the kind of person she was. Catholicism

provided her the perfect cover for he vindictiveness. It allowed her to have the image of a chaste nun serving god while getting her perverted kicks out of

abusing innocent children.Disgusting does not even come close to describing her behavior

 

I don't believe I have thought much of this (at least not clearly) before. But

certain forms of Xtianity are an enticement to perverted little minds to obtain a cover for their own sickness. An obvious example is the priest child

molester. But it goes beyond that.It provides an opportunity for abuse of

children and adults by Pat Robertson types who want to control people and mess

with their minds. It's a nasty game.Diverting vulnerable folks into extreme

forms of politics is another nasty game, with serious consequences. Con artists

selling investments fraudulently is another.There must be numerous ways that I

have not even thought of where a cover is provided by religion for unsavory

characters.

 

So the next time a Xtian tries to put a guilt trip on you, this aspect of

religion providing a haven for perverts, sadists and thieves may provide a more interesting conversation. bill

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Very good points, Bill. I will put that movie on my "must watch" list.

 

I think you are right about Christianity (and other religions) providing a cover for various con artists, power mongers, child abusers, etc. I doubt the nun depicted in the movie was that way because of her religion. Rather, she was probably a cruel person who was able to satisfy her sadistic blood thirst by being a nun. It's all so sad.

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Phelomeno is a motion picture based upon a book about a 14 year old Irish girl

(Phelomeno) who got pregnant and was abandoned by her father and placed in an

orphanage run by nuns.The nuns sold the child to an American couple for 1,000

pounds. The movie begins 50 years after the child's birth and chronicles her

looking back on her unwavering search for her son.I think it is an exceptionally good movie which I would highly recommend.

 

The book depicts the twisted mindset of the nuns that ran the orphanage.When

Phelomeno gave birth to the child she and the baby almost died because it was

a breech birth. She was torn up badly as a result of the delivery, but she was

refused pain medication because "god intended for her to suffer for her sins".

The nuns treated the pregnant girls and the young mothers punitively because of their sins.They were required to stay in the orphanage for 4 years providing

free labor for various tasks.

 

The story is much more involved than this brief description, but I'm sure you

get the idea.But I want to focus on the nun who was mostly responsible for the

mistreatment of the girls. She (from her depiction in the movie) was a

vindictive woman who seemed to enjoy the torture she put the residents through

continually reminding them that, "you have brought this upon yourselves and

your child". They were not allowed to see their child except one hour a day and were required to nurse their babies until he/she was a year old.This place was a haven for sadists.

 

One of the criticisms atheists and agnostics get from some Xtians is that we

leave Xtianity or refuse god to lead a sinful life, full of reckless sex, drugs,

alcohol, partying and other "immoral" behavior. They do this to discourage other

Xtians from deconverting and are not interested in whether their charge is true.We know it's a bunch of lies.But that is the public image in which they wish us

to be seen. They don't want us to be seen as we are but rather as haters of

god.

 

It occurs to me that "the nun" in the movie had a nasty disposition and enjoyed hurting people simply because that's the kind of person she was. Catholicism

provided her the perfect cover for he vindictiveness. It allowed her to have the image of a chaste nun serving god while getting her perverted kicks out of

abusing innocent children.Disgusting does not even come close to describing her behavior

 

I don't believe I have thought much of this (at least not clearly) before. But

certain forms of Xtianity are an enticement to perverted little minds to obtain a cover for their own sickness. An obvious example is the priest child

molester. But it goes beyond that.It provides an opportunity for abuse of

children and adults by Pat Robertson types who want to control people and mess

with their minds. It's a nasty game.Diverting vulnerable folks into extreme

forms of politics is another nasty game, with serious consequences. Con artists

selling investments fraudulently is another.There must be numerous ways that I

have not even thought of where a cover is provided by religion for unsavory

characters.

 

So the next time a Xtian tries to put a guilt trip on you, this aspect of

religion providing a haven for perverts, sadists and thieves may provide a more interesting conversation. bill

Careful now, you're talking about my mother.

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I'll look forward to this movie also Bill.

 

Religion can be the perfect 'cover up' to disguise the dark side of the personality. Humans (including myself) tend to need big egos to survive. People can't handle being inferior.  Being 'religious'  and 'acting good' all the time is one of the ways a human can feel better about his dark side. I did this for years. I've been studying the human personality (along with evolution) since I deconverted. I don't like some of the things I see. I've discovered a lot about human nature. We all have a bit of con artist in us. It's there for survival. Most won't admit to this because it would make us look bad and we can't allow our ego's to feel that way. People will go to great lengths to make themselves look good. We all have a touch of 'evil' in us. It's how aware we are of this human problem and what we will do to improve ourselves. The nun sounds like a

social path to me with a little 'habit' hat on that allows her to look good to the world. Very interesting Bill. I love this stuff.

 

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Thanks, Bill. I've seen Philomena. It's a very good (not great, but very good) movie with terrific performances by Judi Dench and Steve Coogan. The story contains some amazing developments, which are true to the real-life events. While I can't mention the biggest of those because it's an enormous spoiler, it makes it clear that the cruelty of those nuns extended from Philomena's long-ago past into her modern-day quest to find her lost son. The book the movie was made from is sitting on my bedside table now, waiting to be read. 

 

Another (even better) movie about that horrible Irish system that's very much worth seeing is 2002's The Magdalene Sisters.

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The Magdalene Sisters. I'll see if I can get it at the library. Thanks, MerryG. Religion and

religion-like organizations (like the Nazis) can do really unbelievable things to peoples' minds.The

victims can't see and understand what a 4 year old child can see. If mankind is "sinful" it is its lack

of immunity to brainwashing that makes it so. I am in the process of reading Philomena I can already

see that it fills a lot of interesting details not in the movie. bill

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"I wanted to punch that cunty nun in the face by the end of the film. It made me so angry that the lady didn't react but just let it go. Grr." Jadedatheist

 

 

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"I've discovered a lot about human nature. We all have a bit of con artist in us. It's there for

survival. Most won't admit to this because it would make us look bad and we can't allow our ego's to

feel that way. People will go to great lengths to make themselves look good. We all have a touch of

'evil' in us. It's how aware we are of this human problem and what we will do to improve ourselves."

Margee

 

 

That is one of the ugly realities about myself that I learn more and more as I age. I'm not the

boy scout I used to think I was. I think it is this shortcoming of us humans that the creators of

Xtianity called sin. But it's only the "survival of the fittest" instinct left over from primitive

times. Thanks Margee. bill

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