1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 excellent question orbit consisted of athiest writings dawkins christopher hitchens watching the athiest experience, anytime they said things i didnt understand i wanted to know all about it, so these are outside sources of the bible just learning the basics also there are outside jewish historians that talk about the events that happened in the bible that non christians agree with that existed because well they are documented can find these people in a library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 So you became a Christian by researching atheist writings that demonstrate there is no reason to believe Christianity is true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 i looked at all aspects atheist writigns and christian to get a full perspective, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Did you read the entire Bible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 yes but i i want to read at least 2 or 3 different translations and even learn hebrew and greek. and go to school for world religions to really get a full perspective. Also want to attend some dawkins teachings in real life and call in and talk to matt dillhaunty on athiest experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waitingongod Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Are you also planning to read the Quran, Book of Mormon, Tao Te Ching, I Chi, Bagavad Vita (I may have butchered that one), Catholic Bible (including the Apocrypha), Gnostic writings, etc. to be sure you've come to the proper god/conclusion? Or are you going to stick with just reading the bible and assume that's sufficient "research"? If "God's Word" was true and accurate, you wouldn't need to read other translations or Hebrew or Greek. No legit god would allow their life altering message to twisted by simple translation issues. Spend your time researching other religions and actually PRACTICE them, so you can legitimately compare them to christianity. You'll likely get the same results you have now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pratt Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 yes but i i WANT to read at least 2 or 3 different translations and even learn hebrew and greek. and go to school for world religions to really get a full perspective. Also WANT to attend some dawkins teachings in real life and call in and talk to matt dillhaunty on athiest experience I WANT to do many things,,,,,, so much to do and so little time,,,,,, maybe you should learn some CRITICAL THINKING in the process somewhere, rather than WANT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 i looked at all aspects atheist writigns and christian to get a full perspective, And that full perspective was to throw away reason and blindly believe what you cannot demonstrate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par4dcourse Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Where is all the christians in this Joint anyway? Total mystery why there's few xians on an EX-Christian site. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 Who is more versatile the christian that goes to church and reads the bible and listens to only preachers. or the christian who reads books other than the bible and doesnt always listen to the preacher but also athiest scholars and at least makes an attempt to see both sides rather than one with other religions You decide. If you say they are the same. That is your conclusion not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExCBooster Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Who is more versatile the christian that goes to church and reads the bible and listens to only preachers. or the christian who reads books other than the bible and doesnt always listen to the preacher but also athiest scholars and at least makes an attempt to see both sides rather than one with other religions You decide. If you say they are the same. That is your conclusion not mine. Why the assumption that it's either/or? If you believe something, you should at least know what it is, and what it's based on. If you're going to defend it in an argument, you absolutely better have a very firm idea of what your opponents think, and what their own side is based on. That said, I haven't posted in this thread until now, because I don't know what kind of Christian you are. Clarify what you believe, exactly, and on what do you base this belief? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 I believe I exist because I was put here for a reason, I based this belief on the fact that we all hae purpose. If we didnt have purpose then why do we love people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disillusioned Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I believe I exist because I was put here for a reason, I based this belief on the fact that we all hae purpose. If we didnt have purpose then why do we love people? You believe you were put here for a reason, because you believe you were put here for a reason. Really? You must be able to do better than that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipVanWinkle Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 the christian who reads books other than the bible and doesnt always listen to the preacher but also athiest scholars and at least makes an attempt to see both sides rather than one with other religions 1AcceptingATheist The phrase in bold letters is interesting. It seems you think if one tries to be objective in studying the bible, he has done enough. Trying to be objective is not enough. ne mus actually be objective. If you read the bible through Xtian glasses you wo't see its defects which are glaring if you ddo reads it objectively. I assume you knowt that the word "virgin" in the OT, which apologists claim was a prophesy of the Messiah being born of a virgin, actually means a young female of marriaging age? The NT, when first written in Greek mistakenly used the word "virgin" rather than "a young woman"? That mistake was carried forwrd in the English version of the bible and in other languages. But my question to you is , do you consider that to be a minor error in the bible? It resulted in the Catholic Church and all protestant churches erroneously claiming that the OT prophisized that Jesus would be born of a virgin. Trivial? bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted August 5, 2014 Super Moderator Share Posted August 5, 2014 Who is more versatile the christian that goes to church and reads the bible and listens to only preachers... How is versatility relevant? Want to be versatile? Then read Dianetics and follow through with the Scientology course. Practice Voodoo. Look into the Druids (yes, the religion is still alive). Join the Mormons. IOW, there are a hundred thousand beliefs to weigh before deciding on only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moanareina Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 you went to school you expect me to learn in a few hours in a day? lol maybe you can let me borrow some of your brain through a text message so i can use it before i message. Its going to take time and by the time i DO learn, you wont even notice or care anymore. These kind people trying to help, better to teach then to taunt Well, if you did not go to school it is a different story...So you did not go to school at all? But still, you are native in English, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moanareina Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 i never listen to my parents or my christian family or friends, I became a christian on my own and didn't attend chruch for 1 year after the fact because i wanted to make sure i did research on my own You might not have listened to your Christian family or friends. Still you have been exposed to Christianity your entire life and that is the difference of you and someone who had no religious background choosing religion. I got and get that you claim to have become a Christian on your own and I know that you believe this whole heartedly. I said that as well. When I was a Christian still I would have told you that I took that decision on my own. That my believes where quite different from my parents and they where. That my parents somehow did not understand the gospel because if they did, they would live a different life...and so on. Now let me ask you: When you where a Child and not in an age where you took your own decision (like from birth do about age three), did your parents go to church and take you along? Did they read children's stories to you at bedtime? Did they tell you about God, how he created the world etc.? Did they let you listen to tapes with stories about missionaries who went to Africa or Latin America or China? Other amazing God-stories? Did they send you to Christian camps later on? If any of the answers is yes, you have been influenced by Christianity to a point where it is not that uncommon for someone to convert to Christianity at the age of 15. It is the age where you feel insecure and look for stability. If there is not enough foundation within you you are looking for that outside of you and religion offers that. And just the fact that your parents are Christians is important to understand because most Christians have a weird mentality. They think their worth comes from God. So there is that sense of not being worthy without God. And they show this mentality to their children. It builds their foundation of confidence or lets say their lack thereof. Religion offers you to complete you and it is not that hard to jump on the bandwagon. Even if you did your research, whatever that research might be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moanareina Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I believe I exist because I was put here for a reason, I based this belief on the fact that we all hae purpose. If we didnt have purpose then why do we love people? Basically you believe you are some machine to be used by God (put here for a reason) and when your purpose is no more you have no reason to love people anymore either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 my spelling erros probably attributed to you feeling i became christian at 15 i apologize im not sure what grammatical atrocities i made to mistakenly bring you to that conclusion lol so i will calrify, i became a christian at the age of 23 i am now 27. up until 23 i lack full belief in God despite all what i was told when i parted ways from my family. MY dad was never there and mom passed when i was 16. so from 16 to 23 i still didnt beleive. They didnt read anything to me, i went to church on my own to TRY this christianity out like a superman cape, I was bored and left Mom was never forceful she encouraged me but she always let me make the decision what i wanted to do. Teenagers with lost identity look for attention i wanted to be alone playing video games. Teenagers will grab on to any teaching that tickles their ears and makes them get warm fuzzies, Me i was always needed more than emotional fantasies. I know love is the most pwoerful thing on earth more powerful than quatum mechanics and quarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 no i do not go to school but i failed high school 3 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 no i do not go to school but i failed high school 3 times. Then maybe you should stick with religion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenstar Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I've received a very minor education… undergraduate level university, but I am no scholar and I struggle with some of the works cited on this site. (though I love to learn and I will try - with my dictionary beside me). I learn something every day from the posts and topics here. It's difficult to assess something that is above your comprehension level. I'm not trying to be insulting, or suggest you are not intelligent at all - just that it helps to have a firm grasp of at least one language to be able to read difficult literature. A decent base education is essential for this purpose. You say you want to be able to study and research these things though so you may want to consider this, or self-education. (I have a list for self-directed education! ) I would suggest going back to school, if only for your own satisfaction. Some of the best books I've ever read (the ones that make you think) are above a high school level of comprehension … especially classics (like Plato and Homer), religious, science-based and philosophical works...(including the Bible) but not all. Example: George Orwell's works are accessible to pretty much anyone who is literate. In understanding scientific concepts I've had to do extra studying on the side because my education is not in the sciences or maths (English, art and history are my areas, at least enough to get by) - I have to work extra hard to grasp chemistry, astronomy, biology and such. I have found that the people on this site are scary smart… even the less educated. It's part of what I like about it. I don't know why but it seems to be the norm. If you want to communicate effectively here you will probably have to up your game, so to speak. Unsolicited advice… I know, but helpful anywhere if you are sincere about your desire to learn. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted August 6, 2014 Author Share Posted August 6, 2014 Thanks RavenStar awesome advice again! woot Woot Go Ravenstar! I'll go to school just for you!!..oohkay maybe not. Im not sure i understand the point of school. The Teachers just give me homework and expect ME to figure it out. Why give homework just teach me, and i do my own study and apply it. I dont need homework to apply it. Anything in school i can learn on the internet and library. Plus i dont have money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipVanWinkle Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Me i was always needed more than emotional fantasies. I know love is the most pwoerful thing on earth more powerful than quatum mechanics and quarks I admire your willingness to candidly admit your limited education. Good for you. You seem to me to be a very honest guy. One example of not using critical thinking in your analysis, however, is demonstrated by the 2 sentences from one of your prior posts that I quoted above. You say you always needed more than emotional fantasies. Fair enough. But in the next sentence you say love is more powerful than "quantum mechanics and quarks". Love is an emotion, pure and simple. Quantum mechanics is a sub-field of the study of Physics, if my understanding is accurate. So it is a subject of study and therefore is not powerful in itself. Quarks are small, subatomic particles of energy, if I understand correctly. Love has no power in itself (neither it nor faith can move mountains), but can be a motivator, to be sure. But quantum mechanics and quarks are in a different sphere, so to speak, than is love. Quarks have power on a subatomic level. They can't be compared with love by the same scale, so to speak The are not analogous nor are they related to each other in any way. Since they are so different, I don't think that one could properly use a metaphor with these words. So your second sentence has no meaning that I can see. You or others may disagree with me on this analysis. If so, I'd like to hear about them, bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Thanks RavenStar awesome advice again! woot Woot Go Ravenstar! I'll go to school just for you!!..oohkay maybe not. Im not sure i understand the point of school. The Teachers just give me homework and expect ME to figure it out. Why give homework just teach me, and i do my own study and apply it. I dont need homework to apply it. Anything in school i can learn on the internet and library. Plus i dont have money The point of school is to drain the US education fund. :-) I'd say the smart people hang out on the internet and engage in forums like these. This kind of thing would not appeal to idiots. I'll count you as one of the smart ones. Maybe formal education isn't your thing but I'm sure you're quite intelligent. Like you said you can learn a wide variety of stuff on the internet. So have at it. :-) The not-that-smart people surely will get on the internet but they wont put their brain to work. I see you putting your brain to work here on the forum. I don't agree with your conclusions about your faith but the debate is interesting. Ok, then, back to my porn surfing javascripting. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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