Flutters Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 This may be my go-to for when others give me the whole free will lie. If we actually had free will, truly given that right to decide, then why is it the only thing that matters according to xtianity - our eternal camping ground - is the only thing we don't get a choice over? Seems to me that if we were given this free will thing, we could choose where we spend eternity. Having no choice in the matter except to manipulate god into giving us a hall pass hardly seems like free will, it seems more like a con game. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astreja Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 You may notice that the "free will" expires as soon as you're dead and no longer able to tithe. Coincidence? I. Think. Not. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castiel233 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 This may be my go-to for when others give me the whole free will lie. If we actually had free will, truly given that right to decide, then why is it the only thing that matters according to xtianity - our eternal camping ground - is the only thing we don't get a choice over? Seems to me that if we were given this free will thing, we could choose where we spend eternity. Having no choice in the matter except to manipulate god into giving us a hall pass hardly seems like free will, it seems more like a con game. True facts. Great point 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Margee Posted September 23, 2014 Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2014 I had said this for a long time even before I joined this site. There is no free will in christianity. You absolutely must.. it is a fact... it is essential, crucial and necessary.... that you choose jesus...or you will go to hell. There is no choice in this. There was no choice from the very beginning. We were 'sunk' in the garden. We didn't have a chance. God designed his own plan and that was that. That stupid plan included sacrificing his only son on a cross (or tree) as a living sacrifice so we wouldn't go to hell. We accept jesus or live for eternity in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator TrueFreedom Posted September 23, 2014 Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2014 It's extortion, and that concept of God is one of an abusive father. It cannot be justified. No matter how perfect, holy, and mysterious this being supposedly is, no explanation can validate such an arrangement. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutters Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 It was just a really great moment of destroying yet another example of cognitive dissonance. If we were never able to choose the course of our eternity, free will and choice was always a lie. All the rest is just ritual, and at its very core, this truth renders every single word in their bible a lie. This kind of helps me to understand how the xtian has a need to dictate how others should live, and make absolute lines between right and wrong. They are trying to conjure the feeling of free will where there is none. In essense, they have a little god complex, mimicking the behaviour of a god who says they are free and saved so long as it's within the confines of his rules. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenaissanceWoman Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I asked my previous pastor this same question. He said we are actually free to choose hell, so it is really a choice. Ummmm, OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ crazyguy123 ◊ Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I asked my previous pastor this same question. He said we are actually free to choose hell, so it is really a choice. Ummmm, OK. Yeah, as if people would ever willingly choose to suffer relentless torment forever. That pastor should have been a comedian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Margee Posted September 28, 2014 Moderator Share Posted September 28, 2014 I asked my previous pastor this same question. He said we are actually free to choose hell, so it is really a choice. Ummmm, OK. And they looked at this in the bible as if it was our choice?? Isn't it just crazzzzzzzy? They also told me this in the Pentecostal church. A god who could have created Heaven for his creations (with all his spectacular supernatural powers) and he chose to make an earth so full of horrible suffering.... His plan was sooo fucked up. Talk about being psychopathic!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disillusioned Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 This may be my go-to for when others give me the whole free will lie. If we actually had free will, truly given that right to decide, then why is it the only thing that matters according to xtianity - our eternal camping ground - is the only thing we don't get a choice over? Seems to me that if we were given this free will thing, we could choose where we spend eternity. Having no choice in the matter except to manipulate god into giving us a hall pass hardly seems like free will, it seems more like a con game. Ah the problem of free will. I have met Christians who seriously do believe that we will all have one last choice after we die about where we get to spend eternity. How they know this is beyond me. Personally, I'm a big fan of what Christopher Hitchens had to say about free will. Something along the lines of "of course we have free will, we have no choice." The principle of course being that if we have free will, we can't really be granted it. We either have it or we don't. The notion that God gave it to us (whether we wanted it or not) and that it will one day expire is simply absurd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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