themonkeyman Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Hey, Do any of you find it odd that John the Baptist asked his deciples to ask Jesus if he was 'The One'? What I mean is that Mary and Elizabeth were relatives so John was Jesus cousin - This is problematic for me that John is seamingly unaware that his own flesh and blood is the messiah. Considering that Mary said to Elizabeth that God had sex with her - You would have thought this information would have passed to John? Is this not really odd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ ficino ♦ Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Yes. There are a lot of disconnects in the composite gospel portrayal of JtB. Different gospel writers, different apologetic agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themonkeyman Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share Posted November 21, 2014 Its the fact that john acts ignorant or perhaps is it that its a family fraud that there both in on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burny Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Not surprising at all when you consider that even Jesus cried out on the cross that God had abondoned him... Taken in the context of the times, there were many prophets walking around claiming the end of the world was imminent. JTB was simply wondering if any of them were legit. They weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 I read that josephus has john the baptist dying in the year 36a.d.-not earlier according to the gospel accounts. Yeah i always wondered why john emphatically stated that jesus WAS the christ to the scribes and pharisees then later he sends his disciples to ask jesus if he IS the christ. Mary does the same thing in the gospel accounts. After all that sh*t gabriel said to her and after her giving birth to this super baby she still stands outside the tent with her other children thinking jesus is beside himself. baloney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
★ Citsonga ★ Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Yeah i always wondered why john emphatically stated that jesus WAS the christ to the scribes and pharisees then later he sends his disciples to ask jesus if he IS the christ. Mary does the same thing in the gospel accounts. After all that sh*t gabriel said to her and after her giving birth to this super baby she still stands outside the tent with her other children thinking jesus is beside himself. baloney Interestingly, apologists like to manipulate those details into "evidence" for Christianity, since it shows people in their humanity having doubts even after grand revelations, as if nobody making up a story would ever consider having characters doubt the lead character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centauri Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 The New Testament also portrays John the Baptist as being a stand in for Elijah, yet God promised to send Elijah himself, not a substitute. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Joshpantera Posted November 23, 2014 Moderator Share Posted November 23, 2014 In this myth they set John and Jesus birthdays 6 months apart. "Luke states that John was born about six months before Jesus...On the basis of Luke's account, the Catholic calendar placed the feast of John the Baptist on June 24, six months before Christmas." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Baptist) "The earliest identification of 25 December with the birthday of Jesus is in a passage, otherwise unknown and probably spurious, of Theophilus of Antioch (171-183), preserved in Latin by the Magdeburg centuriators, to the effect that the Gauls contended that as they celebrated the birth of the Lord on the December 25, whatever day of the week it might be, so they ought to celebrate Easter on 25 March when the resurrection occurred." "The next surviving mention of December 25 is in Hippolytus' (c. 202) commentary on Daniel. Jesus, he says, was born at Bethlehem on December 25" "Cyprian invokes Christus Sol verus, Ambrose Sol novus noster, and such rhetoric was widespread. The Syrians and Armenians, who clung to January 6, accused the Romans of sun-worship and idolatry, contending with great probability that the feast of 25 December had been invented by disciples of Cerinthus and its readings by Artemon to commemorate the natural birth of Jesus."(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology ... y_of_birth) Another point is that the writers have John saying of Jesus, who are six months apart: John 3:30 "He must increase, but I must decrease." The sun increases in light from Dec 25th to June 24th and then decreases back towards the winter solstice again. Who knows if real men are at the bottom of this myth. But by the 2nd century forward it appears that they each represent the solstices by that time, and they do based on close readings of scripture. But then again, scripture dates to the late 1st century at the earliest so if these were real men it could have already been embellished into a solar myth by that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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