RipVanWinkle Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 ..The movie I saw was a silent film that was once thought lost, but was found in a mental hospital in England in the 1980's or 1990"s. It was first made in 1918 in England, I think. It is a silent film with captions. When it first came out it was censored. The DVD that I have didn't say why but it's not hard to guess. The pompous asses from the church were the judges. They were all dressed up formally to intimidate.. The script from her trial was taken from a verbatim account. I have read about Joan of Arc years ago, but this movie truly brought home to me what a wretched thing it was. All these men (of course)from the church crowded in the courtroom to watch or participate in the festivities. She, of course. had no attorney, She was only 19 and couldn't read. There she was totally alone defending herself against THE CHURCH. One man verbally supported her and was unceremoniously thrown in the dungeon, his fate unknown. The questions were what one would expect from Catholics at the time. Like: Are you telling us that god spoke directly to you bypassing the Church? Do you think you are the daughter of god as Christ is the son of god? The atmosphere was as intimidating as it could be for such a young girl.The poor girl actually did pretty well in the first part of the trial. They couldn't get her to say anything damaging against herself. Then they virtually forced her to sign a confession which she later recanted. Her recantation was incredibly brave: It caused the change in sentencing from life to her being burned at the stake. And what had she done that was so horrible? She had talked with Gabriel who told her what to say publically. She was obviously delusional and hearing voices. Granted the Church didn't know that she was mentally ill, but would it have made a difference?. The real "evil" that got the Church riled up was the fact that she got messages from Gabriel, rather than the church. Their authority was challenged, or so they thought. There are times when I almost wish there really were a hell for those type of people who have tormented the helpless throughout history. And this is an example of just one such occasion in many millions. Rip 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdp Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 This film is not only my favorite film of all time, it's what I consider to be the only truly necessary film. It was actually a co-production of the French and Danish film industries and a huge financial failure upon it's release, and the captions were all taken from Joan of Arc's actual trial transcripts. It's funny because I used to belong to a classic film message board that was run by a fundamentalist Christian and had many Chrisitan members, and they couldn't understand why an atheist would be interested in a 'religious' film. Oh, and the moderator was also positive that Joan's voices were demons, since she was Catholic. Anyway, it's a haunting film and for me a cleansing film. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overcame Faith Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Is this the movie, Rip? It seems to be what you described? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdp Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 That's the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overcame Faith Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I watched the movie and it's a masterpiece! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarflungWanderer Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Not really talking about the movie, but... I can't say I'm an expert on Joan of Arc, but I'm more than certain that she was insane, but she served as a political tool to the Dauphin through her claims that God was on the side of the French. Obviously, this is just my personal feelings and without any historical backing, but that's what I'm putting my money on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Where can this movie be found? There aren't any more dvd stores around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I really liked this version of the story as well: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151137/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted January 6, 2015 Super Moderator Share Posted January 6, 2015 I really liked this version of the story as well: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151137/ I saw this movie shortly before my deconversion began and then watched it again a few months after my deconversion was complete. Somehow, what Dustin Hoffman said at the end made more sense to me the second time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 What did he say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted January 6, 2015 Super Moderator Share Posted January 6, 2015 What did he say? Among other things, "The creator of the entire universe needed... you?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 yeah that's how they like to think don't they-god's special elect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted January 7, 2015 Super Moderator Share Posted January 7, 2015 Watch the film, CC. It really is a powerful experience from an ex-christian perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdp Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 http://www.amazon.com/Passion-Joan-Arc-Criterion-Collection/dp/0780022343/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1420959095&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Passion+of+Joan+of+Arc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 http://www.amazon.com/Passion-Joan-Arc-Criterion-Collection/dp/0780022343/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1420959095&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Passion+of+Joan+of+Arc Thanks bdp for the link. appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdp Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 No problem! I'm waiting for a Blu-ray release of this film; haven't heard if one is actually coming though it's out on Blu-ray in other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdp Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I have to say though that I hate the music that plays with this embedded version here, AND they ripped off the actual video from Criterion who could probably sue their asses off for it. The Criterion DVD is really worth the price, the muci on that version is exquisite. The film's director actually preferred the film to be shown with no musical accompaniment at all - that isn't my own preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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