1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 So i haven't posted a new topic in while because I been making honest effort to answer BAAs questions and all else's to the best of my ability so I am not running from anything by posting a new topic caprise? I wanted respectfully avoid the collective thoughts of castrsting me.because before in was posting too many new topics. But now as I post this new one...BAA I will still be doing what I can to answer yours and everyone else's in their respective threads So get right to it Simple question. are your five senses axiomatic and can they be wrong about being axiomatic and wrong about not being axiomatic?
RogueScholar Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 You do understand there are more than "five senses?"
Orbit Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 If you are biologically typical, your senses are your only way of interacting with the world. To the extent that you are biologically typical, yes your senses serve as a baseline for your reality.
RogueScholar Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 To have productive dialogue we need to develop a definition for "sense" and go from there. Unfortunately, this will likely be difficult as there is some debate as to how we should rigidly define a sense.
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted February 2, 2015 Author Posted February 2, 2015 the question was can you be wrong
RogueScholar Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 I'm not sure where you're going. If I use a broad, working definition for a sense as a method for delivering information about the external environment and internal environment of an organism, then yes, dysfunction can occur that may prevent "normal" transmission of said information. I have a sneaky suspicion you are asking about the processing and interpretation of said information however? Again, I ask that you define the concepts you wish to discuss or are you okay with my rough working definition? 1
mymistake Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 the question was can you be wrong Of course we can be wrong. What of it?
Admin TheRedneckProfessor Posted February 2, 2015 Admin Posted February 2, 2015 the question was can you be wrong How do you know that you're reading my answer? Or that this was the answer I originally gave? Or that this even is an answer to a question I have no real way of knowing you asked? 1
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted February 2, 2015 Author Posted February 2, 2015 the question was can you be wrong Of course we can be wrong. What of it? If you are biologically typical, your senses are your only way of interacting with the world. To the extent that you are biologically typical, yes your senses serve as a baseline for your reality. thing is....if yall can be wrong then how do you knwo the senses 5 or more, is all there is to know to verify reality?
amateur Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 the question was can you be wrong Of course we can be wrong. What of it? I had to look up "axiomatic." For us amateurs, it means "self-evident or unquestionable." Oh my, yes, I certainly can be wrong! I often make several wrong decisions before breakfast. And can my senses be wrong? Oh dear, yes. My young adult children love to point out when I am wrong, and they have loved doing so since they were, oh, 10 years old or so. Unfortunately, they have usually been right. For instance: when they were younger, they liked to play those little handheld computer games with the "tinkly-tinkly" music. That "tinkly-tinkly" music drove me up the wall!!!! I would BEG for them to turn that music down or preferably OFF!!!! Sometimes they would humor me, sometimes they would just laugh over my obvious discomfort over the endless "tinkly-tinkly" music. Then one night, when both kids were in bed and I was in mine, I COULD HEAR that damn "tinkly-tinkly" music from my son's room!!! I was ready to break! So I went to his room, ready to tell him to turn that damn thing off and go to sleep, when I opened the door to his bedroom, and found that not only was the game not on, but he was sound asleep and not faking it. Unfortunately for me, this happened more than once. I eventually told my kids about it, and they enjoyed harassing me about it, well, to this day they still harass me and giggle joyously about the "tinkly-tinkly's" and what it did to mommy! So yes, I can unequivocally state that my sense of hearing has been fooled by the "tinkly-tinkly" music. Can we talk about castration now? I find it axiomatic that castration is more interesting than hearing "tinkly-tinkly" music in my head. (I used my new word!!!)
RogueScholar Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 We don't. However, if you are claiming there are "supernatural" methods for understanding the universe, please write up your framework and use it to make predictions that are better than current models. Be sure to get through peer review and have said framework published so anybody can see if it's falsiable. Until robust evidence is presented, we are under absolutely no obligation to "believe" your assertions. 1
Admin TheRedneckProfessor Posted February 2, 2015 Admin Posted February 2, 2015 the question was can you be wrong Of course we can be wrong. What of it? If you are biologically typical, your senses are your only way of interacting with the world. To the extent that you are biologically typical, yes your senses serve as a baseline for your reality. thing is....if yall can be wrong then how do you knwo the senses 5 or more, is all there is to know to verify reality? Did you miss the part where I asked you to verify your own reality by explaining how you knew you were reading my answer? I did so in the hopes that you'd realize you can be just as wrong, so that we could circumvent this entire pointless exercise. 1
1AcceptingAThiest1 Posted February 2, 2015 Author Posted February 2, 2015 the question was can you be wrong How do you know that you're reading my answer? Or that this was the answer I originally gave? Or that this even is an answer to a question I have no real way of knowing you asked? Well there u go. Now we getting somewhere Without an ultimatenon subjective truth source how can anything be known? Notice I haven't appealed to anything specific yet How do you know what is true or isn't true is the senses are NOT axiomatic And if they are axiomatic how do you KNOW they are and can u be wrong?
florduh Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Senses, it must be important because the government periodically takes the senses. What does that have to do with being wrong? Who would know why such questions, or perhaps idle queries, were made in the great tradition or our earliest sex workers? It is not! Regardless of the variables, we press on to understand the variables. But then why shouldn't it? It is, after all, the most soothing of all songs. Whether we see, hear, taste, feel or smell we should consider others and refrain from the smell. In the words of the great and dead Professor Irwin Corey, I say goodnight on this perpetual Groundhog Day and wonder if this is actually a real topic.
RogueScholar Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Again, you fail to appreciate how understanding works. Nearly every lucid and reasonably intelligent person will admit that our best models of how things work are typically approximations of the "real" world. It's not a matter of "absolutely knowing," but rather accepting models and frameworks are valid based on their predictions. When other models are developed that make better predictions, we accept those models. I don't believe that quantum mechanics is absolutely true I accept that it is an excellent method for making predictions about and understanding the universe because it...well...makes predictions.
Ravenstar Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 *sigh* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s3I51mpNZ0&spfreload=10 2
Admin TheRedneckProfessor Posted February 2, 2015 Admin Posted February 2, 2015 the question was can you be wrongHow do you know that you're reading my answer? Or that this was the answer I originally gave? Or that this even is an answer to a question I have no real way of knowing you asked? Well there u go. Now we getting somewhere Without an ultimatenon subjective truth source how can anything be known? Notice I haven't appealed to anything specific yet How do you know what is true or isn't true is the senses are NOT axiomatic And if they are axiomatic how do you KNOW they are and can u be wrong? You seem to be confusing "true" with "real". I can sense the keyboard I'm typing on and see the words appear on the monitor. Because I can sense them, I perceive them to be "real". I'm not sure you want to go down the road of "Can 'truth' be perceived by the senses?"; at least, I wouldn't recommend it with this crowd.
amateur Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 the question was can you be wrongHow do you know that you're reading my answer? Or that this was the answer I originally gave? Or that this even is an answer to a question I have no real way of knowing you asked? Well there u go. Now we getting somewhere Without an ultimatenon subjective truth source how can anything be known? Notice I haven't appealed to anything specific yet How do you know what is true or isn't true is the senses are NOT axiomatic And if they are axiomatic how do you KNOW they are and can u be wrong? I already answered that! I thought I was, I was SURE I was, hearing "tinkly-tinkly" music, and I wasn't! My kids let me know when I am wrong! Sometimes at work my manager lets me know I'm wrong. Sometimes at home my husband lets me know I'm wrong. I have a long history of being wrong. About a lot of things. Oh, and I looked up "castration" in Wikipedia and decided it is NOT a good topic of discussion. Very icky.
mymistake Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Notice I haven't appealed to anything specific yet But we know you are going to. It's all about your magical invisible friend.
amateur Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Notice I haven't appealed to anything specific yet But we know you are going to. It's all about your magical invisible friend. And I can't keep waiting because I only use the computer at the library and have to go home soon. I'm afraid I won't be able to catch up to this scintillating conversation for another couple days. But I will reiterate that my senses have failed me at times, like in the "tinkly-tinkly" music story. And in another "for instance," I was recently in a bad car accident and I thought I was seeing and feeling correctly; I felt very calm while the accident was happening. After the car came to a stop, I was surprised to find that the driver window had completely blown in all over me, among other things. I had no idea that the roof and door had been bent in towards me, smashing into my arm, ripping my coat, and giving me a slight black eye. For two weeks, I kept finding bits of window glass in my bag and in my coat pockets, etc. My memory of the accident does not match the reality of my poor totaled car, or the story the man who was driving behind me, and helped me out, told me. So yes, for those few seconds, what I saw and felt were different than the reality of what really happened. But I don't think some god was helping me through the crash. I am grateful to the engineers who designed a good, strong car that could withstand a bad accident.
sdelsolray Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 the question was can you be wrong Of course we can be wrong. What of it? If you are biologically typical, your senses are your only way of interacting with the world. To the extent that you are biologically typical, yes your senses serve as a baseline for your reality. thing is....if yall can be wrong then how do you knwo the senses 5 or more, is all there is to know to verify reality? Evidence helps quite a bit. The evidence supporting the existence of the five senses among many species of life on this planet is extensive. A reasonable conclusion that they exist follows. Of course, this is a tentative conclusion and is subject to change, modification or complete falsification based on additional evidence. Nothing is certain, but some things are more likely than others. As to other ways, methods or tools to interpret reality, again please present your evidence for consideration.
duderonomy Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Is it just me, or is this End3's Everything is Subjective argument in a different suit of clothes? Amateur, I'm glad you are OK...that's sounds like a bad accident. 2
Admin TheRedneckProfessor Posted February 2, 2015 Admin Posted February 2, 2015 Is it just me, or is this End3's Everything is Subjective argument in a different suit of clothes? Amateur, I'm glad you are OK...that's sounds like a bad accident. As I understand it, he's going for "there must be an objective source of truth beyond what our faulty senses reveal... therefore, GOD!"
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