The Curious Parodox Of Hating A God You Don't Believe In And Lying For Jesus

[Castiel233]

I think some of it is down , perhaps to pure emotion. Many of us, I am certain have suffered mental stress as a result of the doctrine of being told we are "sinful" and "worthless" and are bound for hell to be "deservedly" punished.

 

So people develop a quite natural hatred of God and Jesus as a result of the suffering they have gone through, while at the same time dismissing the actuality of their existence. This is quite normal, I think (although Christians many claim it shows that atheists still believe, but reject divine authority). I think its normal to transfer your hatred onto central religious figures, if that religion has caused you misery, even if those religious figures are pure (or partial) fiction.

 

Christian doctrine is nasty. If you understand it correctly (and I accept I am no expert), this leads people to lie for Jesus. WLC gave a lecture in which he said "Jesus did not call us slaves, he called us friends"......yet in a radio interview, Craig admitted he was a "slave" for Jesus....which shows how much of a mind fuck, Christianity is............

 

So to survive Christianity and perhaps even enjoy it, one most I feel, generally lie to oneself and others to what it teaches.

 

I have a casual friend who is a church going Christian and a Christian teacher, yet she has told me she supports gay marriage, even though the OT is murderously opposed to gay people. I guess she has created a god in her mind she can worship, who is kind and loving and just, but I submit that an extremely good case can be made from both OT and NT that the God portrayed is not nice at all....hence she must lie to herself to follow it, because she is very much a good and gentle person........

[buffettphan]

 I guess she has created a god in her mind she can worship...

 

 

That's what they all do -- they have to in order to keep being a christian.  (Unlike the people here at Ex-c who just couldn't keep doing that!)

[Geezer]

The de-conversion journey if often filled with a lot of pot holes. I think most people eventually work their way through all the various stages and manage to come out the other side with their sanity pretty much intact. Christians aren't an issue for me because I understand where they're coming from, why they believe the thing they do and why they say the things they do.

 

Christians are basically brain washed zombies, and because I understand that I don't take them, or what they say and believe seriously. And getting in discussions about religion with them is absolutely pointless.

[florduh]

Hating a god you don't believe in is not odd at all. Actors who play villains get accosted on the street all the time by fans who hate them for what they represent. People hate the serial killer in a mystery novel and everybody hates the Grinch!

 

As far as lying for Jesus, I see no alternative if you are to sell the concept to others.

[mymistake]

 

So people develop a quite natural hatred of God and Jesus as a result of the suffering they have gone through, while at the same time dismissing the actuality of their existence. This is quite normal, I think (although Christians many claim it shows that atheists still believe, but reject divine authority). I think its normal to transfer your hatred onto central religious figures, if that religion has caused you misery, even if those religious figures are pure (or partial) fiction.

 

Christian doctrine is nasty. If you understand it correctly (and I accept I am no expert), this leads people to lie for Jesus. WLC gave a lecture in which he said "Jesus did not call us slaves, he called us friends"......yet in a radio interview, Craig admitted he was a "slave" for Jesus....which shows how much of a mind fuck, Christianity is............

 

 

When dealing with Christian apologetics there is an often encountered gambit.  The apologist will respond to arguments that God does not exist as if the evidence and logic presented is merely hatred for God.  Then the apologist will present this hatred for God as evidence that the non-Christan really knows God is real.

 

In fact humans are clearly able to have emotional responses to imaginary characters.  We do this every time we watch a movie or TV show.  We can really hate a villain if the writer did his job right and the actor gave a decent performance.  But we don't seek revenge against the actor because we understand the character isn't real.

 

With God the followers have convinced themselves that God is real.  Meanwhile they go about doing real harm to others in the name of this imaginary God.  So yes unbelievers can have an emotional reaction to being harmed in the name of this imaginary character.  It doesn't help that the Bible describes him as the worst dictator in history.  Even if the Bible were a novel we can hate the genocidal dictator.

[Margee]

It is the lies I have been told that I hate.

[Guest Furball]

I have had this thought from time to time. If i know bible god/jesus/christianity isn't real/doesn't exist, then why do i keep hating on god and ranting about it. I figured it helps me from an emotional/psychological p.o.v. as it helps me release these inner feelings i have from being abused by this god and its doctrine. I am starting to get to the point though where i no longer need to do this. From time to time it helps though.

 

I also believe today's christian ignores most of what the bible teaches, otherwise if they really knew what the central message of the bible is, why would they stay in it? The only answer i can come up with is that they either are willfully ignorant of what the bible says and choose to worship a god in their own mind that they are more comfortable with, yet still call it the god of christianity, or they actually have yet to check the facts for themselves.

 

Todays' christian is no christian at all. 

[amateur]

I have had this thought from time to time. If i know bible god/jesus/christianity isn't real/doesn't exist, then why do i keep hating on god and ranting about it. I figured it helps me from an emotional/psychological p.o.v. as it helps me release these inner feelings i have from being abused by this god and its doctrine. I am starting to get to the point though where i no longer need to do this. From time to time it helps though.

 

I also believe today's christian ignores most of what the bible teaches, otherwise if they really knew what the central message of the bible is, why would they stay in it? The only answer i can come up with is that they either are willfully ignorant of what the bible says and choose to worship a god in their own mind that they are more comfortable with, yet still call it the god of christianity, or they actually have yet to check the facts for themselves.

 

Todays' christian is no christian at all. 

After many years, the feelings towards god fade away, which is nice.  Dealing with crazy things xians say about that god also gets easier to deal with, but I'm guessing if it's a family member that may never let up.

 

I also do believe that a lot of xians ignore what the bible teaches, in light of what we know now and how life has changed in 2000 years.  I have several xian facebook friends who have no issue with gay marriage, children born outside of marriage, premarital sex, living together, or porn.  I have a facebook friend who has always been single but has (thankfully) not remained a virgin over her 60 years, one with two children from a relationship with a boyfriend and she's gone thru a few other live-in boyfriend before (I think) settling on the guy she's currently living with.  I have a couple facebook xian friends who post pro-gay-marriage things and one who praised to high heaven the "50 Shades of Gray" books.  I have a rather fanatical xian facebook friend who was pregnant when she married and is very much enjoying the materialism she experiences because of her well-employed husband.

 

I have no issue with those people doing and believing what they do.  In fact, in my opinion, it's a good thing and a good change I've seen over my 51 years (when I was in high school, my gay classmates did not come out until college and the idea of gay marriage wasn't even a concept, and "living together" was still an embarrassment).  But it's not what the bible says.  I'm convinced that my facebook friends have created a loving god and jesus that accepts them and forgives them no matter what they do.  Which of course isn't the god and jesus of the bible.

 

Maybe this will ultimately kill the religion or at least disable it?