Jeff Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Yes but those 10 words led me into atheism so, worthless, you best stick to your memorized tripe and don't think too deeply about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExCBooster Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Hi, I'm a Christian here. Just wanted to say I read the posts every now and then. Let us pretend that Jesus is not real. He was just a man, a lunatic, or didn't even exist. He never died for you, He never saved you. You were brainwashed etc. But what if IT is true? What if there really is a heaven and hell, and you are going straight to hell, where you will burn and be tormented for all eternity? A wise person would go back and return to the flock and serve Jesus just in case. Maybe you will have to put up with hypocrisy, and judgment inside the church....but at least that is only for a short while compared to suffering in hell for all eternity. It's not worth it. That's Pascal's wager, it's a very old and notoriously very bad argument, because it's based on a fallacy called "false choice" - where you give people only two choices (to believe my religion, or none) where there are really an infinitude of other options, that are discounted for no reason at all: Why not ask yourself that question about every single other religion out there? What if it is true that you'll be reborn as a potato beetle for failing your obligations in this life? What if you're going to hell for not being Muslim? What if you're going to be a hungry ghost after you die, because you're not the right religion? You see, all of these other options have just the same stakes, and just the same evidence that you have. This is no way to try to convince people. Seriously, though, I think all of us, including yourself, deserve an explanation as to why you're Christian, as opposed to all of the other religions, or - if you'd prefer - why your specific sect of Christianity, in the face of all of the various alternatives. Arguments of the form: "it's true because I believe it's true" are also circular thinking, and similarly no kind of argument, so none of that nonsense, please. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Why doesn't the Holy Spirit send us a Christian who can answer our questions and astound us with God's wisdom? It should be easy since God can do anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Why doesn't the Holy Spirit send us a Christian who can answer our questions and astound us with God's wisdom? It should be easy since God can do anything. The almighty Jesus doesn't just, you know... 'do' stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesOpened Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Why doesn't the Holy Spirit send us a Christian who can answer our questions and astound us with God's wisdom? It should be easy since God can do anything. "It isn't in Gods plan". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Why doesn't the Holy Spirit send us a Christian who can answer our questions and astound us with God's wisdom? It should be easy since God can do anything. "It isn't in Gods plan". I noticed that Worthless was on last night and read this thread for quite a while. However the Holy Spirit called him to do something else instead of responding to the conversation here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesOpened Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Why doesn't the Holy Spirit send us a Christian who can answer our questions and astound us with God's wisdom? It should be easy since God can do anything. "It isn't in Gods plan". I noticed that Worthless was on last night and read this thread for quite a while. However the Holy Spirit called him to do something else instead of responding to the conversation here. I wonder what could be more important for the Holy Spirit than to save a bunch of sinners going to hell? I guess that us puny humans don't have the means to determine what the Great Ghost has in store for us or why it does what it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Not sure it's a good idea for a Christian to hang out on a website with those destined for Hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Not sure it's a good idea for a Christian to hang out on a website with those destined for Hell. Shhhhhhhh! Don't let our secret out. I was about to win another soul for Satan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I think most people here have committed the unforgiveable sin, which is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. There is no hope for most of you here. Your fate is sealed. I'm not God and I can't see into each person's heart, but if you had the Holy Spirit as some of you say you have, and now have renounced it...that's it. That makes me sad. Make yourselves as comfy as you can now because that is all that is left for you. What you think doesn't matter. If you did think, you would have made a real thinking decision on whether christianity is true or false based on evidence. Most people on here have not committed the blasphemy against the holy spirit, becoming an unbeliever is not committing that sin. No one here renounced the holy spirit. We didn't choose this. I begged and pleaded with your version of god to not let me depart from your version of faith. Since your version of god did absolutely nothing to prevent me from becoming an unbeliever, doesn't that leave the fault with your god and not me?????? I am very comfy thank you. Your right, this life is all that i have left for me because there is no after life. You have -0- proof that there is an after life. Since you have no clue what any of us have gone through in our deconversions, and are making blatant false accusations against us, that makes you a liar, and all liars will have their part in the lake of fire. So Mr. Worthless, make yourself comfy as you can now because that is all that is left for you now. -peace/cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Post deleted due to the wrath of the super moderator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted April 27, 2015 Super Moderator Share Posted April 27, 2015 What is really "not worth it" is arguing with these folks with blinders firmly in place and thinking we might penetrate their darkness. BUT, others do see these exchanges and many will see how religious belief can get us mired in denial and prone to make stupid and unfounded statements and arguments. Posters such as this, even the hit and run variety, provide a valuable service to those wanting to take an honest look at beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Furball Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Posters such as this, even the hit and run variety, provide a valuable service to those wanting to take an honest look at beliefs. Well excuse fucking me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted April 27, 2015 Super Moderator Share Posted April 27, 2015 Wrath? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Why doesn't the Holy Spirit send us a Christian who can answer our questions and astound us with God's wisdom? It should be easy since God can do anything. "It isn't in Gods plan". I noticed that Worthless was on last night and read this thread for quite a while. However the Holy Spirit called him to do something else instead of responding to the conversation here. I suspect he has nothing else to say without repeating himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
◊ crazyguy123 ◊ Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I think perhaps some of you secretly wish you could come back, but can't anymore because of the unforgiveable sin. You guys took the long hard road alone. I can respect that in essence. I have read some of the testimonials and see that it is not easy. You weren't meant to do it alone. You weren't meant to walk alone in this world. I urge everyone who has not committed blasphemy to return to their Maker, the One who loves them. Nah, I have no interest in going back. I'm best buddies with Satan now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Wrath? Eh, as far as sins go that one is kind of meh. I prefer lust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarflungWanderer Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 By the way, "Worthless", if you're going the Ecclesiastes route, it's "meaningless", not "worthless". Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Good answers but this is just a stupid thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Good answers but this is just a stupid thread. Stupid is as stupid does. - Forrest Gump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRIANHUGHGRIFFITH Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I was as extreme as it gets, a KJV ONLYIST, YOUNG EARTH CREATIONIST, GEOCENTRIST and realizing The Bible teaches Ancient Hebrew cosmology of FLAT EARTH.I probably know The Bible better than your pastor, it's what all my time was spent on last few years and I really sincerely believed it every word. I had 30+ bumper stickers promoting "Christ or Hell " YEC Geocentric, KJV anti evolution etc etc. I bought old Gideons KJV bibles off ebay to give to people along with chick tracts to let everybody know they are wicked evil sinner guilty of being born.I know all the argument for and against the positions and I was a loyal apologist, I'm probably a street preacher's worse nightmare now and may send them crying to their mommy with their "faith" in shreds.I could not have believed this stuff any more and could not have been any more zealous yet then realized it just isn't true.All you have to do is stop for a second and allow the possibility in your mind that perhaps the " supposed contradictions" in The Bible are actual contradictions and that Robert Price, Richard Carrier, and Bart Ehrhman have valid arguments. Imagine then what "Christianity" would look like if was just manmade with no holy spirit" leading anybody and you see that is exactly what Christianity actually looks like"Christian guy" think about it how many denominations there are and how that simply proves John 16: 13 false and 1 Cor 14:33 false, all you gotta do is compare the Bible with reality within Christianity and easy to see is what you would expect if it is just manmade.Street preachers most zealous can yell in a bullhorn at people at the beach or wherever and be living by the book 24-7 and yet cannot ever lay hands on and heal a single person on the spot when according to Jesus Christ they are supposed to Mark 16:18, go look at Ray Comfort's evangelism stuff motto Mark 16:15 as an order to all Christians yet the 16:18 is ignored because none of them can actually heal anybody ever. The Bible never said that after Jesus, Peter, Paul, that healing would stop when preaching and yet ask a streetpreacher and the "excuse is the healings stopped when Bible was finished and "those "miracles" were only for 1st centuryCompare the average Christian life with how the new testament says Christians will be led by "Spirit" and see it just is not true.apologists claim that you got your conscience, your knowledge of basic right and wrong from the "God" of the Bible who is supposed to be Jesus Christ front to back and yet Old Testament morality violates that conscience over and over with activity ordered by that "God". apologists brush it off as "Old Testament " while same time saying God cannot lie, doesn't change and ignoring that Hebrews 13:8 has Jesus Christ supporting all the OT stuff that goes against your conscience while then contradicting it all with sermon on mount.Once you shake the mindset of needing the Bible to be the inerrant infallible word of God, you will see that hell is no more a threat that Darth Vader sending you to the deathstar 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymistake Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Hey Brian, welcome to ex-C! Sounds like you are going to fit in here just fine. I do look forward to hearing more from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ ficino ♦ Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 All you have to do is stop for a second and allow the possibility in your mind that perhaps the " supposed contradictions" in The Bible are actual contradictions Love it! Welcome, Brian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Shit just got real again for OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRIANHUGHGRIFFITH Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 What solidified it for me as completely fake, when having severe doubts and interacting with the persons associated with the KJV YEC Geocentric basically people who were 24-7 Bible people, all of them accused me of never having believed, being a fraud, a devil possessed, a CIA plant a Jesuit, a wicked evil devil not just possessed but an actual devil, when the actual truth was I was a true believer as zealous as claimed and seeing that all of these people who follow that Bible literally as possible and yet no "Holy Spirit" was around to tell any of them they were wrong in accusations it showed me John 16:13 completely false and all the arguments against Christianity are actually true. My "born again" experience did change me but I think it was just the start of a religious psychological simulacrum and I had the personality type susceptible to it. If I had been in Pakistan would have been Muslim for same reason I suppose. A Christian with zeal is annoying at most not physically dangerous had I been muslim would probably killed somebody.I see now how religion had it's time when society needed it but now it's just.... stupid.After being a young earth creationist I still see design in nature I just do not know who done it and sure do not believe whoever created really cares if I watch the Kate Upton Cat Daddy video 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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