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How can fundy christians be 'saved' and still continue 'sinning' and when they die still go to heaven?

 

Read this from xxxchurch:

 

 

 

Hi everybody. My name is yan-oliver. I am 24 yrs old and married with 2 kids. Before I got saved I was relly heavy in pornography. I was doing fine until 2004. I started to go back into it because I had some marital issues. Then things took an ugly turn when my wife discovered that I was into pornography. An it almost destroy my marriage. And then God forgave me and wash me clean and clean out my mess. But today is feb 5 2006. And for this past few days I was tempted to go back into it. And I fell back into it. And my wife found out about it and now is threatening of divorcing. We are in new york right now and for few days and before we came here we had an argument and we had some problems and then I was tempted to go back into it and I was fighting it. But I evantually fell into temptation. I was battling the issue and did not wanted to tell my wife about it because of what happened the first time. In actually I told her the first time she didn't know. But right now I need help. Please someone help me. I want to serve God with all that I have but this flesh is driving me crazy. It's like sometime I don't have any control over it. I am thinking of suicide right now knowing that it is not good and that I may end up in hell. And also I feel like because I betrayed God eveything that I have done in the past is coming to hunt me now. When i was 17 I was demon possess and did not not know God like I do now. And I sexually mollested my cousin who was 8. Now she is about to be seventeen and she confronted me about it yesterday. I did not deny it but I appologize for it.She knows that I am save now that is the reason why she talked to me about it because she knows that I wouldn't lie about it. Even know I am saved now, for years it has been in the back of my mind. And she told me that she might tell her mom aout it. Her mom is very dramatic and if she knows it that is pratically my end. I have my whole life on the line. I prayed about it but I don't feel conforted about it. It's like God is gone now and I'm done. So please pray for me.

 

the man who want to be sold out 4 christ

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean if before being 'saved' you are a sinner and 'after' being saved you are still a sinner, then christianity is baloney, any comments?

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I'm surprised he hasn't mutilated himself yet. If any part of you causes yourself to sin,

cut it off and throw it away. I too feel sorry for him. I hope he isn't that stupid to hurt

himself. Perhaps he is on the verge of deconversion. :scratch:

You never know.

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I prayed about it but I don't feel conforted about it. It's like God is gone now and I'm done. So please pray for me.

 

He doesn’t need prayer, he needs a shrink. :rolleyes: That's what pisses me off with some Christians...they believe that all they need is God and prayer to fix their problems when really, they need mental and/or physical help from the PhD. professionals.

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I battled with the guilt associated with pornography addiction, lust, masturbation, etc, during my entire christian experience. I had men in the church pray for me numerous times. I would feel some relief, attribute that to god answering prayers, but would soon get the desire to look upon the female form once again.

Now, had I of known that it was due to male hormones, and my particular psycho-social (is that a word?) make up, and not the "sinful nature" rearing it's ugly head, or a tactic of "Ol Slew foot", it would have saved me a lot of mental self abuse over the years.

I really feel for this fellow.

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When i was 17 I was demon possess and did not not know God like I do now. And I sexually mollested my cousin who was 8.

 

I think suicide might actually be the right choice for this scumbag.

 

I don't think anyone would threaten divorce over "regular" porn. I'm thinking this guy is a pedophile and in my estimation, the less of them around polluting the world, the better.

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Poor guy. You have to wonder at the wife being willing to divorce him over this. Isn't divorce a sin?

I mean what kind of porn was this guy checking out? Playboy? Gay porn what? What could be soooo horrible that she's willing to take this step?

 

:shrug:

 

 

EDIT: just noticed the 8 year old comment. Never mind, I'd ditch the fucker too...

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Poor guy. You have to wonder at the wife being willing to divorce him over this. Isn't divorce a sin?

I mean what kind of porn was this guy checking out? Playboy? Gay porn what? What could be soooo horrible that she's willing to take this step?

 

:shrug:

 

I'd be willing to bet money it's child porn. He's an admitted child molester.

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I think he fears she will go to the authorities and tell them she was sexually abused by him, he is facing many years behind bars for sexual abuse of a minor, its nothing to do with sin, he knows his actions have come to haunt him and now he is using his 'religion' as cover to avoid paying foe what he has done.

If he was a real christian, he should have confessed long ago...

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When i was 17 I was demon possess and did not not know God like I do now. And I sexually mollested my cousin who was 8.

 

I think suicide might actually be the right choice for this scumbag.

 

I don't think anyone would threaten divorce over "regular" porn. I'm thinking this guy is a pedophile and in my estimation, the less of them around polluting the world, the better.

I have to agree with Jose I also think all child molesters should drop dead. As it so happen my fucked up cusion did the same to 2 of my younger cousins and he tried to pull that the devil made me do it crap I told him bullshit. Funny that a "all loving god could forgive child molesters". :Wendywhatever:

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There is SO much wrong with this yan-oliver person's situation, that it is almost impossible to pinpoint a solution.

 

Number one, he's hiding behind religion (sins of the flesh, demon possession, prayer) to excuse his crimes and absolve him from responsibility for his actions. He needs to quit THAT shit immediately. There is nothing "supernaturally" wrong with him. No excuses allowed. It's HIM, not the devil.

 

Number two, he's sexually confused and repressed. People with unhealthy sex views and unrealized sex urges typically act out in unhealthy ways. (See Catholic Priests, child molesters and rapists.)

 

Note that he is hiding his porn habits. He MUST. As we have noticed in his wife and with posters here, the child pornographer/molester has NO HOPE of getting help. What he will get is a bullet in the brain for having his perversion. Is that fair?

 

Sure, child porn is reprehensible, but if people can't come out of the closet, so to speak, how can they get help? So long as the unhealthy repressive environment exists around this guy, he will be denied help and will continue to be sick.

 

I feel sorry for the guy. He's damned and bound for loneliness or suicide no matter what he does. His situation does not allow for him to get or even SEEK help without becoming an instant pariah. "Prayer" is an empty gesture and a placebo, since the solution MUST come from him. But he also needs help, which NO ONE is willing to give him because they view him as a diseased, demon-possessed pervert to be avoided at all costs UNTIL AFTER he changes.

 

Not fair at all. His only hope is to stumble upon a shrink who knows his/her shit. Good luck finding THAT needle in a haystack.

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Mr. Grinch, I would have to agree with you on this one.

 

He molested his cousin when she was 8. She's turning 17. That was nine years ago, when he was what..15?

 

Makes you wonder what was going on with him at that time? If he came from a fundiemental family, there was no discussion of sex, only that it is either 1) dirty, or 2) reserved only for marriage.

 

Now, imagine a 15 year old boy..I can't imagine it, as I"m female. But..some of you guys perhaps can see how this fundiemental stuff could really mess up a young man's psyche?

 

Yes, he needs to get rid of the crutch, stand on his own two feet and face what he must face, whether it be charges for what he did to his cousin or censure from his family (which might be a good thing, after all!)

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  • 2 weeks later...

Sounds like the guy have all the "talents" to become a priest in the Catholic Church... uuuuh... bad joke! :grin:

 

hahaha bad joke, but funny! but this guy needs to see a shrink. oh wait... he doesnt have to because he's saved!

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There are different types of Child sexual predetors. One is the child molester who takes advantage of a child because they are available. The other is a pedophile who has a sexual preference for children. Pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated!

 

Research shows that Child sexual predetors do not have an isolated victim. They molest as many children available.

 

He admits to one victim, but I would ask him, how many victims are there?

 

Taph

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