Freedom

[Guest end3]

Freedom seems to be important.  I keep seeing successes in areas where freedom exists....joy, happiness as "success".  And thinking I could correlate that to the Scripture.  Thoughts please.

[Fweethawt]

Can you show us more examples of freedom within the bible than examples of slavery and subjugation?

[TheRedneckProfessor]

I have my doubts, End3.  Scripture says that you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.  You've been on this website for the better part of a decade now, learning the truth from us; but you're still not free.  I think freedom comes from within; it's a gift we have to give ourselves.  You haven't quite figured out how to do that, yet.

 

[LogicalFallacy]

3 hours ago, end3 said:

And thinking I could correlate that to the Scripture.  Thoughts please.

 

We can correlate the idea of freedom to many writings.

 

Also there is a personal perspective to it. My parents consider themselves free and have the revealed light while I am in darkness and bound by satan. I consider myself recently freed from mental indoctrination while my parents are still slaves to their religion.

 

So define freedom for me that is applicable for all.

 

Also even the NT talks of being servants of Christ, a bride to the groom (Remembering what 'bride' meant 2000 years ago... they were subservient which is what the scriptures are meaning)

 

No where does the bible advocate letting people believe what they want to, allowing to follow their intellect etc. No you must follow this path, believe this God, repent for sins you did not commit.

 

You call this 'freedom'? I think our definition of freedom differs!

 

 

[sdelsolray]

4 hours ago, end3 said:

Freedom seems to be important.  I keep seeing successes in areas where freedom exists....joy, happiness as "success".  And thinking I could correlate that to the Scripture.  Thoughts please.

 

It always helps to begin a discourse about a word with several meanings and interpretations (such as the word "freedom") by seeking consensus from the participants as to what that word or concept means to them.  This avoids talking past each other (when each has different meanings) and encourages better communication.

 

So, with that in mind, what do you mean by "freedom"? 

[Fweethawt]

12 hours ago, sdelsolray said:

So, with that in mind, what do you mean by "freedom"? 

If this boils down to freedom meaning, free to choose to submit to...

 

I'm pretty sure I'm gonna throw up in my mouth.

[bornagainathiest]

16 hours ago, end3 said:

Freedom seems to be important.  I keep seeing successes in areas where freedom exists....joy, happiness as "success".  And thinking I could correlate that to the Scripture.  Thoughts please.

 

My thoughts?

 

Ok, so you could correlate your (currently undefined) ideas about freedom to scripture, End.

But it's already been pointed out to you (many times) that correlation doesn't equal causation.  

Yet, here you are again, for the umpteenth time, stretching correlation for meaning and scripture-based comfort, because you're driven by your emotional needs to do so.

Once again you're searching for some kind (any kind) of significance, no matter how tenuous, that will give you your emotionally-satisfying confirmation (fix) of religion.

Having been driven in the first place by those needs, you've pre-decided that this is the outcome that you really, really want.

Because, deep down, you're not actually interested in rigorously exploring this topic - you just want your pre-decided outcome to be confirmed. 

And you probably only raise this topic in the Den because you know beforehand that we will try (and fail) to get you to think dispassionately, rationally and critically about it.

But you're counting on that, because the more you can fight the good fight of fuzzy, undisciplined, emotion-powered faith against us, the better you will feel inside.

Doing that makes you feel good, makes you feel like you're standing up for what you feel is right - Jesus and God and the Bible.

And you've been repeating this pattern in Ex-C for years, never recognizing the loop you're stuck in, never learning and never changing.

The End3 of May 2017 is indistinguishable from the End3 of August 2009, the month I registered and joined Ex-C.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[knightcore]

@end3 Honestly this is... too open ended to give you any kind of solid answer to? Other people have asked for the definition of freedom that you're asking about, and I'd do the same. I'm also curious what you would define as a success, if not feeling accomplished? You put it in quotations. I know you're probably just going to say there's no true success outside of god, but still. Give us a better springboard and we'll give you a better answer even though it's probably still not what you want to hear.

[Guest end3]

Sorry, I forgot I had offered this post.  Without digging into the Bible for now, it appears that the freedom to seek and execute our path that brings us joy, then yields the same.  

 

It seems that the greater the population and the smaller the opportunities to be "free" become, the more effort it takes to allow these freedoms for everyone.   

[TheRedneckProfessor]

1 hour ago, end3 said:

Sorry, I forgot I had offered this post.  Without digging into the Bible for now, it appears that the freedom to seek and execute our path that brings us joy, then yields the same.  

 

It seems that the greater the population and the smaller the opportunities to be "free" become, the more effort it takes to allow these freedoms for everyone.   

Do you mean like the freedom gays have to get married?  Or the freedom to piss in whichever bathroom one feels most comfortable?

 

Or were you thinking more along the lines of everybody having the freedom to choose whatever the religious right wants everybody to choose?

 

Because for everyone to be able to walk their own path that leads to joy; we're going to need everybody to respect everybody else's path, with neither hindrance nor hatred.

 

How you're ever going to square that up with a book chock full of "thou shalt fucking nots" and "abominations unto the god damn lord", is quite beyond me.  Why you'd want to is even further beyond me.

[bornagainathiest]

1 hour ago, end3 said:

Sorry, I forgot I had offered this post.  Without digging into the Bible for now, it appears that the freedom to seek and execute our path that brings us joy, then yields the same.  

 

It seems that the greater the population and the smaller the opportunities to be "free" become, the more effort it takes to allow these freedoms for everyone.   

 

Why do you need to dig into the Bible at all, End?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest end3]

54 minutes ago, bornagainathiest said:

 

Why do you need to dig into the Bible at all, End?

 

Just that the Bible makes mention of freedom as well.  It's not the sole source of my observation...

 

 

 

 

 

[bornagainathiest]

1 hour ago, end3 said:

 

 

Why do you need to dig into the Bible at all, End?

 

Just that the Bible makes mention of freedom as well.  It's not the sole source of my observation...

 

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How about this then?

 

1 Corinthians 10 : 23 & 24.

 

 The Believer’s Freedom

 

²³ “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. 

²⁴ No one should seek their own good, but the good of others.

 

The use of personal freedom to serve the needs of others.

 

 

[midniterider]

12 hours ago, end3 said:

Sorry, I forgot I had offered this post.  Without digging into the Bible for now, it appears that the freedom to seek and execute our path that brings us joy, then yields the same.  

 

It seems that the greater the population and the smaller the opportunities to be "free" become, the more effort it takes to allow these freedoms for everyone.   

 

You have an example?