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Christians: Why would an all-good God base our salvation from Hell on whether or not we believe in a 2,000-year-old supernatural story?

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This question needs to be addressed by anyone exploring christianity. For some reason, it isn't asked. I see pastors as culpable in the great con of Christianity because they just proselytize without ant critical thinking and seekers accept based on tradition or upbringing without critical thinking.  By the time they get around to thinking critically,  they are steeped in Christianity and its difficult to break free. In my case, it took shocks of divorce and experiencing that evangelical are just as much asshats as anyone else.  In fact,  many were more so. Christians are just religious ideologues and afraid to ask hard questions. The idea that BELIEVING changes God's attitude and actions towards you is absurd and very unjust. Its hard to conceive of how people could be so credulous and gullible. Bully Graham, that demented fraud, did immeasurable harm by pushing this " believe and be saved from hell"  lie. But it is shameful that so many millions have accepted this out of fear and dread of God's judgment.  

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On 6/5/2017 at 11:40 AM, OrdinaryClay said:

Yes he does.

 

 

 

Who are you to judge God? Are you omniscient? Are you eternal? 

Anyone has a right to judge anything .. even a fictional creature crafted to enslave humanity or deify Jews as the chosen. We have our reason and sense of morality.  The Jewish God of scripture is immoral based on its actions.  Furthermore,  there is no proof it even exists, so it's a moot point.

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Because churches want to make sure that everyone thinks that they have the only pathway to heaven, so they can keep bringing in the $, they tell people that everyone who doesn't believe what they teach will go to hell… but that's not actually what the Bible says! This verse shows how a good person who is not a believer can still be saved; whip this out the next time some deluded Christian tells you otherwise: 

 

Romans 2:6-16 (NIV)
6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

 

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Regardless the bible's teaching on God and jesus are without merit and historically baseless, so the fact it is fictional is all you need to convince someone, assuming they're rational.. Christians are skeptical of rationality however, because of proverbs 3 3-5 and Paul's BS  about the natural mind being corrupted and in need of divine reengineering. 

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On 8/1/2019 at 8:28 AM, Tarlc said:

Regardless the bible's teaching on God and jesus are without merit and historically baseless

Your comment is without merit and historically baseless.

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If we're talking about history:

 

"Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus

 

… and that's ALL the historical records prove!

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