Not homophobic

[whitehorse]

So I'm listing to an ad on the radio about mothers wearing a acceptance for sexual equality ring.

 

She says

 

"I wear this ring until people accept sexual equality"

 

At this point I'm getting those old fashioned religious brainwashing feelings.

 

I say at the top of my mind

 

"Do I have a fucking choice, or must I accept all sexual persuasions"

 

[★ Citsonga ★]

They're not harming you in any way by simply being themselves, so why wouldn't you be accepting? Would you want people condemning you for just being yourself, even if you're not harming anyone? 

 

[whitehorse]

 

They're not harming you in any way by simply being themselves, so why wouldn't you be accepting? Would you want people condemning you for just being yourself, even if you're not harming anyone? 

 

That's not entirely true, I have had a few other oriented minded guys and girls push their sexual preferences on me.

 

Anyway, that's not really relevant.

 

I think I have a choice to not accept some sexual orientations, it's got nothing to do with Christianity. 

 

And if someone is rubbing their sexual orientation in my face, and believe that I must accept it to accept them, then no thank you.

 

[★ Citsonga ★]

Nobody should rub anything in your face. I can understand objecting to that. However, that behavior is not the orientation, and there are tons of LGBT people who don't do that. So, don't write them all off as jerks on account of some of them. That goes for any group of people, be it atheists, religious, ethnic, or any other category. 

 

[whitehorse]

 

Nobody should rub anything in your face. I can understand objecting to that. However, that behavior is not the orientation, and there are tons of LGBT people who don't do that. So, don't write them all off as jerks on account of some of them. That goes for any group of people, be it atheists, religious, ethnic, or any other category. 

 

Nah I wouldn't.

[Vigile]

 

That's not entirely true, I have had a few other oriented minded guys and girls push their sexual preferences on me.

 

Anyway, that's not really relevant.

 

I think I have a choice to not accept some sexual orientations, it's got nothing to do with Christianity. 

 

And if someone is rubbing their sexual orientation in my face, and believe that I must accept it to accept them, then no thank you.

 

 

What exactly does accepting or not accepting entail for you? If you don't accept, does that mean you make snide remarks to their faces/behind their backs? Do you refuse them service? Do you decide they can't be friends with your kids? 

 

Just trying to get a bead on what you mean here. If it is some of the things I mentioned, do those things not feel quite discriminatory and maybe hurtful to you? 

[♦ Fuego ♦]

I have a few gay friends online that are social justice warriors, so they are so very concerned about appropriating this or that from other cultures, having genderless bathrooms, exulting over not being called Ms, and a long list of other things that they believe strongly must be adopted by everyone. I typically ignore them and go on with my life. I am tempted from time to time to respond with a "Really? Chinese food cooked by whites is robbing their culture?" but there is truly no point, since they've already posted that they don't want to hear anything to the contrary, especially from a white male. Kinda clues me into their mindset. So I take the attitude that they are being themselves by touting these things, and I can simply let it go since I am not being compelled to respond or to adopt their views. But it does make me want to say "You are one of the main reasons your precious Hillary lost. The Right sees this shit and says you have a bizarre agenda to change our culture and want the Feds to enforce it (and I lean more left these days)." 

 

The whole bit about wearing ribbons back in the 90s for each and every cause under the sun got very tiresome. Now I guess it is rings. Whatever. I focus on being, not on showing others that I am ___.

 

Also, I've been hit on by gay men several times, but a simple look or no thanks has always been sufficient to clue them in that I'm not interested. No different to me than a female that I don't find attractive.

 

 

[Ellinas]

The problem is that, where there is prejudice, someone has to fight against it.

 

Where there is such a fight, some take approaches that are sufficiently extreme to be counter productive.

 

Doesn't alter the fact that it is the prejudice that is at the root of the issue.

 

It's a difficult one.  Gender, sexuality, religious prejudice will continue to be a problem until we all learn to ignore such issues as irrelevant.  But we can't ignore them without allowing the prejudice free reign.  So, I do not criticise the campaigners - though I may have issues with some of the dafter ideas that some of them may come up with.

[Vigile]

 

I have a few gay friends online that are social justice warriors, so they are so very concerned about appropriating this or that from other cultures, having genderless bathrooms, exulting over not being called Ms, and a long list of other things that they believe strongly must be adopted by everyone. I typically ignore them and go on with my life. I am tempted from time to time to respond with a "Really? Chinese food cooked by whites is robbing their culture?" but there is truly no point, since they've already posted that they don't want to hear anything to the contrary, especially from a white male. Kinda clues me into their mindset. So I take the attitude that they are being themselves by touting these things, and I can simply let it go since I am not being compelled to respond or to adopt their views. But it does make me want to say "You are one of the main reasons your precious Hillary lost. The Right sees this shit and says you have a bizarre agenda to change our culture and want the Feds to enforce it (and I lean more left these days)." 

 

The whole bit about wearing ribbons back in the 90s for each and every cause under the sun got very tiresome. Now I guess it is rings. Whatever. I focus on being, not on showing others that I am ___.

 

Also, I've been hit on by gay men several times, but a simple look or no thanks has always been sufficient to clue them in that I'm not interested. No different to me than a female that I don't find attractive.

 

 

 

Some of the stuff kids are coming up with these days is pretty loopy. I just read about cultural appropriation the other day. I cook Indian, Mexican and Italian food all the time. I'm probably the devil. 

[Jeff]

I gladly borrow from any culture. 

If they got something right, I want some of that. 

Complain all you want... I like sushi and saki(with 2 drops of tabasco)

[knightcore]

I think that the problem with LGBT issues being such a touchy subject is that... it's so close to home for people who are. Just like your faith is to you. Maybe now that you've been dealing with it for years and years you can handle it more logically, but it's still touchy sometimes yeah? It's a core part of your identity yeah? Just like there's atheists and Christians who jump down people's throats there's going to be LGBT people who do the same. Anyways, I think it's worth examining why you don't accept it and how there might be some societal influence there. 

[♦ ficino ♦]

I'm gay, am married to a man, am VERY concerned that the Republicans don't take away our marriage. Looking back at my boyhood, I see stages where I started to be aware that I was attracted exclusively to boys-- though by this point in my life, *anyone* younger and good looking seems attractive, har har.

 

Preachers and such people sometimes seem to think that gay and lesbian people decide one day that they want to overturn society and morality so they just start going after their own sex as one of a number of out-there lifestyle choices they could pick. Choosing a religion is a lifestyle choice, with more or less environmental influence, depending. Choosing your orientation, as far as I know, is a false idea. I am not aware that people choose to be straight or gay.

 

Anyway, I'm not sure what pushing their orientation in your face would amount to. Can you elaborate?  And as to your choosing not to accept some sexual orientations, here too, whitecloud, I am not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?

 

Was the ad on the radio promoting equal legal rights for people of all sexual orientations? I support that effort, and it is not finished. People can still be fired or be expelled or lose housing or be beaten to death because of their orientation.

[whitehorse]

 

 

What exactly does accepting or not accepting entail for you? If you don't accept, does that mean you make snide remarks to their faces/behind their backs? Do you refuse them service? Do you decide they can't be friends with your kids? 

 

Just trying to get a bead on what you mean here. If it is some of the things I mentioned, do those things not feel quite discriminatory and maybe hurtful to you? 

Nothing of the sort, we don't roll like that down in AU. What it entails?  Just that I don't have to accept anything and everything that people are telling me.

 

That doesn't mean, I care about who fucks who and in what position. 

 

[★ Citsonga ★]

 

Anyway, I'm not sure what pushing their orientation in your face would amount to. Can you elaborate?  And as to your choosing not to accept some sexual orientations, here too, whitecloud, I am not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?

 

Yes, some elaboration would be nice.

 

I have a gay friend, a lesbian cousin, and a transgender child, and they're not shoving anything in anyone's face. They're simply just being who they are.

 

In fact, I know that at least my child tried desperately to suppress it and was even suicidal for a while before coming to accept himself. It was a very distressing time brought on by society's prejudice-induced stigmas, and we seriously came close to losing him. If people wouldn't be so damn anal about people simply being different from them, then he would not have had to go through that.

 

[whitehorse]

 

I'm gay, am married to a man, am VERY concerned that the Republicans don't take away our marriage. Looking back at my boyhood, I see stages where I started to be aware that I was attracted exclusively to boys-- though by this point in my life, *anyone* younger and good looking seems attractive, har har.

 

Preachers and such people sometimes seem to think that gay and lesbian people decide one day that they want to overturn society and morality so they just start going after their own sex as one of a number of out-there lifestyle choices they could pick. Choosing a religion is a lifestyle choice, with more or less environmental influence, depending. Choosing your orientation, as far as I know, is a false idea. I am not aware that people choose to be straight or gay.

 

Anyway, I'm not sure what pushing their orientation in your face would amount to. Can you elaborate?  And as to your choosing not to accept some sexual orientations, here too, whitecloud, I am not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?

 

Was the ad on the radio promoting equal legal rights for people of all sexual orientations? I support that effort, and it is not finished. People can still be fired or be expelled or lose housing or be beaten to death because of their orientation.

This is difficult, because when I left Christianity I embraced the idea of scepticism, so why can't that apply to everything. I am sceptical about some sexaul practices, because I have my own theories about those types of practices. Just like I have my own theories about the universe, and what God could be, and other shit.

 

I like people for people, for their personality traits, not because their gay or Christian, or Muslim, or something. I mean if I enbraced someone mainly because I am cool with their practices and not their personality, then 

 

I think I said enough.

[whitehorse]

 

 

Yes, some elaboration would be nice.

 

I have a gay friend, a lesbian cousin, and a transgender child, and they're not shoving anything in anyone's face. They're simply just being who they are.

 

In fact, I know that at least my child tried desperately to suppress it and was even suicidal for a while before coming to accept himself. It was a very distressing time brought on by society's prejudice-induced stigmas, and we seriously came close to losing him. If people wouldn't be so damn anal about people simply being different from them, then he would not have had to go through that.

 

Trust me I know, I'm way different.

[knightcore]

I guess I don't get why you're skeptical about something that doesn't even really apply to you.

[whitehorse]

 

I guess I don't get why you're skeptical about something that doesn't even really apply to you.

It does because I am born with numerous sexual orientations (Desires) some I have to ride off.

 

Note: That was really a non answer, sorry about that.

[knightcore]

If you're talking about being gay, that sounds like something internalized that you should examine rather than writing off. If you're talking about being attracted to kids or something that's completely different than adults being in a consenting relationship.

[florduh]

Here's an observation. We all draw our line in the sand. One may be quite accepting of certain abnormal sexual practices but still draw the line somewhere. Woman on woman okay. Man on man not okay; man on man okay but man on boy not so much even though it has been common practice in many societies. Marrying a third cousin, perhaps a few are okay with that, but most draw their line at a first cousin for some reason. How about fetishes; feet okay but perhaps sex with the grossly obese is not. Consensual sex that involves drinking each others blood? Drinking piss? Coprophagia?

 

How about removing or mutilating one's sex organs in an attempt to realize their vision of being asexual? If that's what they identify as, of course.

 

People should also be free to draw their line where they must. That's usually not an intellectual decision anymore than one's gender. We all have our limits.

[whitehorse]

 

If you're talking about being gay, that sounds like something internalized that you should examine rather than writing off. If you're talking about being attracted to kids or something that's completely different than adults being in a consenting relationship.

I did reply to this, but I lost my post due to my internet failing.

 

Sorry, it was uniquely written, I can't re illiterate.

[whitehorse]

 

If you're talking about being gay, that sounds like something internalized that you should examine rather than writing off. If you're talking about being attracted to kids or something that's completely different than adults being in a consenting relationship.

Shit! The internet has interrupted twice and two times I lost my reply.

[knightcore]

@whitecloud it's okay, I'm probably getting too close to the argument anyways aha. Maybe The Most High is intervening  

[whitehorse]

 

@whitecloud it's okay, I'm probably getting too close to the argument anyways aha. Maybe The Most High is intervening  

Nah, internet in Australia is shit.

And this fucktarded government is taxing us to death, and won't use the money to build a better life for us.

[sdelsolray]

 

I treat the many LGBT people I know with dignity and respect, but they consistently creep me out and they openly talk about their failing relationships all day long which can be fucking exhausting. To quote the great theologian Bryson Tiller, "sorry not sorry."

 

I walk along the path and pick up all the stones that are beautiful.  I walk the path again and pick up the stones I did not pick up the first time and look at them until I find the beauty in them.