★ Citsonga ★ Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 How useless is prayer? Other than the Placebo Effect, it is completely and utterly useless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deva Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 On 11/2/2017 at 11:33 PM, Geezer said: Even Christians admit prayer is conditional. Ask anything in the name of Jesus & it will be granted IF it is within God's will. And God definitely answers every prayer. God will respond with a yes, or a no, or let me think about that & I'll get back to ya. Christians know how to cover their butts. Yes, but still useless all the same. Goes to show it doesn't matter the result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deva Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Think of how many millions of prayers, but then Hurricane Katrina, the Tsunami, Hurricane Irma, etc. just goes on and on. The same useless results. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anushka Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 On 04/11/2017 at 5:48 PM, Deva said: Think of how many millions of prayers, but then Hurricane Katrina, the Tsunami, Hurricane Irma, etc. just goes on and on. The same useless results. My Christian mother says those are not God's fault and he cannot be blamed as they are 'natural' disasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
★ Citsonga ★ Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 42 minutes ago, Anushka said: My Christian mother says those are not God's fault and he cannot be blamed as they are 'natural' disasters. Thus implying that nature is not under God's control. I guess that shouldn't be surprising, given the fact that even man-made iron chariots are too powerful for their God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddJ Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 On 11/4/2017 at 8:49 AM, Citsonga said: How useless is prayer? Other than the Placebo Effect, it is completely and utterly useless. I prayed once for a pain my right side and it went away. I did this with one of the televangelists. So while I no longer believe in Christianity, I did receive benefit from prayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, ToddJ said: I prayed once for a pain my right side and it went away. I did this with one of the televangelists. So while I no longer believe in Christianity, I did receive benefit from prayer. Spend some time studying and learn to distinguish among and between non-sequitur, coincidence, correlation and causation. Your statement assumes causation, yet you provide no meaningful evidence to support this conclusion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 6 hours ago, Anushka said: My Christian mother says those are not God's fault and he cannot be blamed as they are 'natural' disasters. Most likely, your mother also believes her god created nature and all the matter, energy and laws contained within it. If so, you may wish to ask her how she reconciles the hypocrisy of holding those two beliefs at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LogicalFallacy Posted November 6, 2017 Moderator Share Posted November 6, 2017 9 hours ago, ToddJ said: I prayed once for a pain my right side and it went away. I did this with one of the televangelists. So while I no longer believe in Christianity, I did receive benefit from prayer. Post hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin: "after this, therefore because of this") is a logical fallacy that states "Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X." To illustrate the point humorously: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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