realityrunt Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 It still amazes me how the Christians I talk to keep pushing their theology down my throat, even though they know I'm not interested. It seems to them that the key is I've just got to "Believe" in it all. Hang on a second. If your god is real, why is this real thing to be believed in? Shouldn't it rather be something I actually know, and what I know substantiated by facts. I mean how in the world Christians do you think you know your god is real if you only trust in your beliefs, and never take it any further. You don't seem to care to much about building a solid case for your god, doesn't he say that "My people perish because of lack of knowledge" Yeah the Bible does. Hosea 4:6 Strange it says "Knowledge" and not belief. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Most Christian sects promote both vertical and horizontal spreading of the particular God Virus strain which already infects them. It's hardly surprising that many Christians will attempt to spread that virus strain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted December 19, 2017 Super Moderator Share Posted December 19, 2017 The scientific name of the virus is fundamentalis evangelicus, in case you were wondering. It is both pathogenic and extremely virulent; and we seem to have been seeing a widespread epidemic here in America since 9/11. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I think they do it because of fear of hell. I came across an interesting set of survey results from Pew Research Center that showed about 70% of people believed in heaven and about 50% believed in hell. So half of Americans are scared if they don't convert you that you're going to hell. That's a lot of people, which is why it's so annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 You don't want people going to hell do you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted December 22, 2017 Super Moderator Share Posted December 22, 2017 36 minutes ago, end3 said: You don't want people going to hell do you... No. But we aren't afforded the same opportunities to prevent it that god has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 29 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: No. But we aren't afforded the same opportunities to prevent it that god has. I'm starting to think salvation is not as difficult as it's made out. We all know we are faulty, but breaking trust between others is, imo, the narrow vs. wide path. I may realize you are and ass and you likewise, but not giving up on the other is the key. This outside the prescribed trust in Christ.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realityrunt Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Orbit said: I think they do it because of fear of hell. I came across an interesting set of survey results from Pew Research Center that showed about 70% of people believed in heaven and about 50% believed in hell. So half of Americans are scared if they don't convert you that you're going to hell. That's a lot of people, which is why it's so annoying. Believed in things are real thing's, then what are real thing's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 On 12/19/2017 at 9:57 AM, realityrunt said: It still amazes me how the Christians I talk to keep pushing their theology down my throat, even though they know I'm not interested. It seems to them that the key is I've just got to "Believe" in it all. Hang on a second. If your god is real, why is this real thing to be believed in? Shouldn't it rather be something I actually know, and what I know substantiated by facts. I mean how in the world Christians do you think you know your god is real if you only trust in your beliefs, and never take it any further. You don't seem to care to much about building a solid case for your god, doesn't he say that "My people perish because of lack of knowledge" Yeah the Bible does. Hosea 4:6 Strange it says "Knowledge" and not belief. I don't think knowledge is limited to facts... see below. knowl·edge ˈnäləj/ noun noun: knowledge; plural noun: knowledges 1. facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realityrunt Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 hour ago, end3 said: You don't want people going to hell do you... Go to a place you believe in, and that Jesus believed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realityrunt Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 minute ago, end3 said: I don't think knowledge is limited to facts... see below. knowl·edge ˈnäləj/ noun noun: knowledge; plural noun: knowledges 1. facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject. Are you referring to experience here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, realityrunt said: Believed in things are real thing's, then what are real thing's? Well no, if I believe in unicorns one does not appear. But beliefs can affect people's actions, even if the beliefs are not true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realityrunt Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, Orbit said: Well no, if I believe in unicorns one does not appear. But beliefs can affect people's actions, even if the beliefs are not true. No one's seen hell, no one's experienced hell (With their senses), no one's visited hell, not even Jesus. So I'd say it's up there with the flying spaghetti unicorns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 13 minutes ago, realityrunt said: No one's seen hell, no one's experienced hell (With their senses), no one's visited hell, not even Jesus. So I'd say it's up there with the flying spaghetti unicorns. I think there are things that even science points to as fact, but are only believed to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realityrunt Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, end3 said: I think there are things that even science points to as fact, but are only believed to be true. If it is pointing to facts then it will have a hypothesis at the very least. What hypothesis do you have End3 to base the comment on you made about hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 17 minutes ago, realityrunt said: If it is pointing to facts then it will have a hypothesis at the very least. What hypothesis do you have End3 to base the comment on you made about hell. Just makes me wonder when the Bible talks about levels of Heaven and we postulate multiverses.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realityrunt Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 17 minutes ago, end3 said: Just makes me wonder when the Bible talks about levels of Heaven and we postulate multiverses.... Let's get back to the question about substantiating facts. (Lets use the hell belief for instance) How do Christians substantiate hell as a fact, when there is no sensory evidence for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 47 minutes ago, end3 said: I think there are things that even science points to as fact, but are only believed to be true. Please think more about this statement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted December 22, 2017 Super Moderator Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 hour ago, end3 said: I'm starting to think salvation is not as difficult as it's made out. We all know we are faulty, but breaking trust between others is, imo, the narrow vs. wide path. I may realize you are and ass and you likewise, but not giving up on the other is the key. This outside the prescribed trust in Christ.... If we can understand this, why does it seem like your omniscient god cannot? What is hell if not god giving up on us because he thinks we're assholes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realityrunt Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 44 minutes ago, end3 said: Just makes me wonder when the Bible talks about levels of Heaven and we postulate multiverses.... In my father's house there are many mansions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realityrunt Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: If we can understand this, why does it seem like your omniscient god cannot? What is hell if not god giving up on us because he thinks we're assholes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 23 minutes ago, Jeff said: Please think more about this statement. Was trying to describe a statement like "thermodynamic equilibrium". In my limited mind Jeff, (and feel free to help me out), this is a theoretical "point" or truth, but in reality, nothing is static. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 33 minutes ago, realityrunt said: Let's get back to the question about substantiating facts. (Lets use the hell belief for instance) How do Christians substantiate hell as a fact, when there is no sensory evidence for it. I don't think they do substantiate it as fact. As I said before, a centuries old book talks about levels of Heaven and we are now postulating multiverses. That personally makes me think the dots are connected. Some folks, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realityrunt Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, end3 said: I don't think they do substantiate it as fact. As I said before, a centuries old book talks about levels of Heaven and we are now postulating multiverses. That personally makes me think the dots are connected. Some folks, no. Well levels of heaven are different than the multiverse. I think you're making a inaccurate connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 40 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: If we can understand this, why does it seem like your omniscient god cannot? What is hell if not god giving up on us because he thinks we're assholes? I don't have a good answer Prof. I gather it's something we need to learn as individuals. And I gather it's rather important to God that we do. I'm also dismayed at the method he has chosen for class/school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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