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23 minutes ago, Fweethawt said:

You should already know the answer to this, End. It's because we are made in the image of God. Simple as that.

 

Is it not unreasonable to think that God is different than plant species?

Was pointing out the inconsistencies of the non-elect here....that they should be touting/citing competition rather than free fertilizer...

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24 minutes ago, florduh said:

 Personally, I wish y'all had the gumption to pull that off. Focus, ladies, focus!!!

Male mud wrestling came to my mind.  I can't see this as a positive for anyone...

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16 hours ago, Daffodil said:

Ok, now let's you and I be honest.  Both of our little diatribes are far from the actual truth.  The annoying thing about this male/female battle is that both sides love to exaggerate the issues.  BOTH men and women have privileges and BOTH men and women take advantage of those privileges.  Can we please, in this arena of people that supposedly think more rationally than others (and I am referring to the Ex-C site as a whole), refrain from the polarizing views of "all men are _____" and "all women are _____"?

 

I agree. Today more than ever every issue is polarised. People pick a side on any issue, move to the extreme and refuse to compromise and meet in the middle. It's happening with politics as well were parties are content to sledge each other rather than working out a solution where they both compromise on their 'ideal' solution.

 

Good point Daffy, good point.

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6 hours ago, TrueScotsman said:

Well for the first year, the woman has the biological role of providing food for the child.  (snipped)

 

TS, I have very little to argue with from the post quoted above. Good points all.

 

I'm also with @Daffodil regarding trying not to polarize things any more than necessary. And I'm aware that I'll probably take a lot of backlash for what I'm about to say. That's fine. I can take it. I just want to say that I'm honestly not trying to over polarize things, just trying to keep the conversation going.

 

So. As you guys probably know, I'm Canadian. Here, when a woman has a child, she is entitled to one year of Employment Insurance. That is, she may take a year off of work, and the government will pay her 55% (I might be slightly off on this number, but if it's not exactly this, it's pretty close) of her salary up to a certain maximum over the course of that year. She can also choose to spread the payments out over 18 months if she chooses, but in this case she will not be paid any additional money, she will just receive smaller payments over a longer period of time. This is parental leave, not maternity leave, so a father can claim it as well, but only one parent per family can take this leave.

 

Now. I am not trying to say that Canada in general is better than America. I get that we are a very different countries in many ways, and that what works here might not work there. I'm also not trying to say that what we have here is a perfect system. It isn't. There are lots of ways that it could be improved. But. What we have is a better system than what America currently has going on. It just is.

 

Yes, this, and our many other social services mean that our taxes are significantly higher than those of our American friends. But so are our average incomes, and our general standards of living. I'm not talking about the 1% here, I'm talking about everyone else. These are just facts. And this is not unique to Canada. Most of the rest of the developed world has socialised healthcare, some form of parental leave, and various other social programs which America largely lacks. America is relatively alone here.

 

And here's the thing: I don't currently have kids. My wife and I both have relatively well-paying jobs. So we've been supporting these kinds of social systems for a few years. We will probably benefit from them as well over the next few, but even if we didn't, I wouldn't begrudge a single penny that I have paid in taxes which go towards these kinds of programs. This is because I want to live in the kind of society which has these programs. There is a price that has to be paid, but the benefits clearly outweigh the cost in my opinion. This is very similar to what I argued about the gun control a while back.

 

What I don't understand is this: if America is in need of being made great again, then wouldn't it behove America to take a look around the world at what is working in other countries which currently don't need to be made great again, and see if there might be something there? Maybe? Is that too Bernie Sanders for you all?

 

Again, though, I'm admittedly a Canadian, so maybe my opinion doesn't count. I'm also a millennial, and a liberal. Maybe that's three strikes. I'm also a white male though, FWIW. Just saying.

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1 hour ago, Fweethawt said:

As a person who has been through all of the above , I will say this. Once you've gone through the devastation of losing everything and having the courts pound the living hell out of your ass, once you begin to rebuild your life it takes every single waking moment to put effort forth to do that. In those moments, you don't have the time or energy to invest in or involve yourself with trying to get laws changed. And then, once you get a semblance of life back you really don't want to be bothered with it --  With changing the laws. 

 

The only thing that we really feel like doing is just warning other men about the consequences of a marriage gone wrong. And I think we are seeing the effects of a lot of that nowadays with younger couples losing interest in getting married. And to me, as a person who has been through all of the above, I see this is a good thing.

 

I hear you and believe you have been through hell.  I was addressing florduh, but I will say it here for both of you:  Likewise, when women have had to pass through the harassment gauntlet over and over again, cannot afford effective childbirth or access reproductive care, are doing everything they can to keep their kids fed as a single mother (whether by choice or by accident), can't find affordable childcare so they can go to work, they don't have the time or energy to invest in or involve themselves with trying to get laws changed either.

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1 hour ago, florduh said:

Women as a group claim women as a group are discriminated against. Women as a group have dropped the ball. Some may say men are discriminated against in divorce courts but I fail to see the comparison to the plight that women in general claim to suffer in this patriarchal society. Just saying, you could make this a matriarchal society any day you choose to work together. Personally, I wish y'all had the gumption to pull that off. Focus, ladies, focus!!!

I disagree for reasons already stated.

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33 minutes ago, TrueScotsman said:

John Adams used to talk exactly the same way about class structure.  It is nothing more than prejudicial nonsense, ethnic groups are social inventions as are races, we are all Homo sapiens the only distinctions there are, are those which are invented by social convention in order to justify inequality.  You don't seem to understand jack shit about human nature, stick to religious dogma or take some anthropology courses to correct your archaic ignorance.

You've never worked in a manufacturing plant...labor, I'm guessing.  

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11 hours ago, florduh said:

 

My question is, why are they claiming to be powerless victims and the downtrodden gender? Don't they have the sheer numbers to put things in their favor if they choose to do so? 

 

 

Well you are right that if women could unite with a single mind they could form their own party and dominate both male Republicans and male Democrats.  But when have men ever united with a single mind about anything?  I'm thinking it was the Bronze Age and the topic men united around was "women are property".  I don't think that is going to happen ever again.

 

Women have the same bell curve on intelligence that men have.  You are not going to find an argument that appeals to all people.  Arguments that appeal to intelligent people get dismissed as "elitism" by the majority.  Arguments that appeal to the lowest 15% get dismissed as jingles by the majority.

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8 minutes ago, mymistake said:

Women have the same bell curve on intelligence that men have.  You are not going to find an argument that appeals to all people.  Arguments that appeal to intelligent people get dismissed as "elitism" by the majority.  Arguments that appeal to the lowest 15% get dismissed as jingles by the majority.

The desire to make your gender equal in the eyes and institutions of society does not need any arguments. It's either something you care about or it isn't.

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1 minute ago, florduh said:

The desire to make your gender equal in the eyes and institutions of society does not need any arguments. It's either something you care about or it isn't.

 

 

I'm confused.  I thought you were talking about women taking over US politics.  Maybe that is what they would have to do to get that equal status because the Democrats and the pre-Trump Republicans were both serving corporate interests.  Corporations ruling the country doesn't lead to gender equality.  But it's a complicated issue.  I don't get it all.

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31 minutes ago, mymistake said:

Corporations ruling the country doesn't lead to gender equality.  But it's a complicated issue.  I don't get it all.

It would be up to the women newly elected to high office to only take bribes from female owned corporations. So far the women who have been elected don't seem that picky. :lol:

 

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On 3/10/2018 at 9:55 PM, ToHellWithMe said:

 

They have the more valuable reproductive capacity. Even the best seed is very cheap to produce. Pregnancy and caregiving isn't cheap. It's easy to make demands when you have something the other party needs.

 

Appealing to men's gentleness, pride, etc is just the way the fairer sex rolls. Guilting, manipulation, etc. It's just the way they are.

I dislike that. I guess that means I may dislike femininity itself. So I am a misogynist. Whatever. I still find women pretty and am kind to them like I'm kind to children even though they too can be insufferable.

So you find women pretty. Of course you do; you're straight. That doesn't change your attitude. This is like a man-hating feminist claiming that because there are men she finds attractive, that she doesn't hate men.

 

Don't make insulting generalizations about an entire group of people and then complain when some people in that group give it back to you.

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1 minute ago, Lilith666 said:

So you find women pretty. Of course you do; you're straight. That doesn't change your attitude. This is like a man-hating feminist claiming that because there are men she finds attractive, that she doesn't hate men.

 

What? I admitted to being somewhat misogynistic. Your example is about denying hate.

 

4 minutes ago, Lilith666 said:

Don't make insulting generalizations about an entire group of people and then complain when some people in that group give it back to you.

 

Sure I'll try not to if they have a point. But I wish they will not blame all men for what I and the likes of me have said either.

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21 hours ago, ToHellWithMe said:

 

What? I admitted to being somewhat misogynistic. Your example is about denying hate.

 

 

Sure I'll try not to if they have a point. But I wish they will not blame all men for what I and the likes of me have said either.

If you're misogynistic, why the advocacy for female supremacy?

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36 minutes ago, Lilith666 said:

If you're misogynistic, why the advocacy for female supremacy?

 

Thought experiment.

Besides, if we gave women the power and the responsibility they shouldn't need to be manipulative anymore, lol. All the crying and privilege-blaming would become moot. Incidentally those are also the qualities that I don't like about them.

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On 3/15/2018 at 2:16 PM, end3 said:

Male mud wrestling came to my mind.  I can't see this as a positive for anyone...

 

 

I imagine that gay guys might see it differently.  Nothing wrong with being gay as long as one doesn't repress it to do the "family-values" preacher/politician routine.

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4 hours ago, ToHellWithMe said:

 

Thought experiment.

Besides, if we gave women the power and the responsibility they shouldn't need to be manipulative anymore, lol. All the crying and privilege-blaming would become moot. Incidentally those are also the qualities that I don't like about them.

Waaaaaaaaaah. Love the way all women are put in one box here. I suppose I should start stating supposed qualities that I don't like about men, as if every one of them is the same.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, TruthSeeker0 said:

Waaaaaaaaaah. Love the way all women are put in one box here. I suppose I should start stating supposed qualities that I don't like about men, as if every one of them is the same.

 

There are definitely degrees and maybe even some rare exceptions. But there is also definitely something quite universal.

 

Tell me, why is the crazy feminism so successful and mostly unchallenged? I say it's because it is fulfilling a demand. Because women have traits that resonate with it. Thanks to that, they won't mind the craziness much.

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9 minutes ago, ToHellWithMe said:

 Tell me, why is the crazy feminism so successful and mostly unchallenged? 

 

I'm curious.  Have you ever heard of irony?

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2 minutes ago, mymistake said:

 

I'm curious.  Have you ever heard of irony?

Lol.

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3 minutes ago, mymistake said:

I'm curious.  Have you ever heard of irony?

 

Oh please make an actual argument or something if you have a beef with what I said. I've no energy to try to interpret that obviously rhetorical question.

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8 minutes ago, ToHellWithMe said:

 

Oh please make an actual argument or something if you have a beef with what I said. I've no energy to try to interpret that obviously rhetorical question.

 

 

I can think of a dozen people right here who have challenged feminism to some degree.  Some, like me, have offered constructive criticism.  But we also have our share of the Men's Rights types as well.  Feminism has been challenged within feminism and we are starting to see a split between 3rd and 4th wave schools of thought.  I don't know where the most extreme forms of feminism are successful but they certainly don't go unchallenged.  The hashtag me too movement even got sidetracked when somebody decided to smear an actor for having an awkward date.  That took all kinds of flak in the public forum and social media.  Where is "crazy" feminism out of control?

 

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Just now, mymistake said:

I can think of a dozen people right here who have challenged feminism to some degree.  Some, like me, have offered constructive criticism.  But we also have our share of the Men's Rights types as well.  Feminism has been challenged within feminism and we are starting to see a split between 3rd and 4th wave schools of thought.  I don't know where the most extreme forms of feminism are successful but they certainly don't go unchallenged.  The hashtag me too movement even got sidetracked when somebody decided to smear an actor for having an awkward date.  That took all kinds of flak in the public forum and social media.  Where is crazy feminism out of control?


Ah, yes. We do have many here on this forum. I meant it in the wider sense.

But IDK. I guess it's a matter of opinion when you put it that way. To me it looks like feminism is utterly dominating the mainstream, and even the pretty crazy forms are tolerated. Maybe my views are too slanted.

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1 minute ago, ToHellWithMe said:


Ah, yes. We do have many here on this forum. I meant it in the wider sense.

But IDK. I guess it's a matter of opinion when you put it that way. To me it looks like feminism is utterly dominating the mainstream, and even the pretty crazy forms are tolerated. Maybe my views are too slanted.

 

Would you agree to gender equality if it was done in the name of humanism?  Would you support extending minimum wage to all service workers in all 50 states if it meant that you didn't have to hear those pesky complaints about wage gaps?

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On 3/15/2018 at 10:34 AM, end3 said:

Show me a picture of a fat ugly woman on a yacht....and I might listen.

The media view of reality isn't reality. The lives of the top 10% are not things you necessarily want to emulate. The sugar daddy/gold digger stereotype is sad. Why would you want to base YOUR life on it? I'm not a supermodel and my husband makes 6 figures--and plenty of other people who don't base their lives on media stereotypes are having perfectly happy lives, like we are. There is more to life than what someone looks like. You'll be happier if you ditch the shallow worldview.

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